Dallas all the way...-5.5

**wombat** · 12-30-23, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by DJK

Not if you took Dallas ML like I did.

Nothing like going from W to L and then back to W in a matter of seconds.

80% of the public took Dallas spread

**lakerboy** · 12-30-23, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Renegades

The way these games play out, I dont know how anyone lays pts in the nfl. If I like a favorite I just stay away from the gm

Your kidding right? Favorites have been covering all season long at alarming rates. Only the last few weeks have dogs won a few of the tv games because they have had so many of those games.

**MalikHusam** · 12-30-23, 11:53 PM

Mr. Small Hands says NOPE

**trobin31** · 12-31-23, 12:29 AM

I won my plays but NFL is rigged beyond belief it’s a joke.

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 12:32 AM

That ref should be shot or fired right now. #70 couldn't even be a eligible receiver on that play he was lined up as a guard I believe?? It clearly shows 68 reporting. when are these refs gonna be held accountable? Only when one gets murdered Detroit being the team here we may have that happen. #70 doesn't even talk to the ref the ref only see's him running in and tells the Dallas Defense wrong number. Again imagine if u had your bankroll on Detroit ML.. I hope this guy gets dealt with I no his name but wont say it here he should not be allowed to officiate another game in the NFL again.

**Eddy Munny** · 12-31-23, 12:33 AM

I really don't think Dan Campbell should've gone for 2 after the penalty.

That was just an emotional reaction to what he thought should've been a GW touchdown. I understand you felt robbed, but just take a deep breath and pivot to the high percentage play over the complete crapshot.

Let's get real, your team just marched down the field and a PAT at that point would've gotten you to overtime with all the momentum on your side. That instant gratification "hero call" BS cost them points in the 1H also that could've been the difference in winning in regulation.

**hehfest** · 12-31-23, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by 2Sweeet

That ref should be shot or fired right now. 70 couldn't even be a eligible receiver on that play he was lined up as a guard I believe. It clearly shows 68 reporting. Again imagine if u had your bankroll on Detroit ML when are these refs gonna be held accountable? It's when one gets murdered Detroit being in here may have that happen. 70 doesn't even talk to the ref the ref see him running in and tells them wrong number

I won't go to that extent, but I had Lions +6 and half of that wager amount on the ML. This is why I always take the points if I like ML as well.

**hehfest** · 12-31-23, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by 2Sweeet

That ref should be shot or fired right now. 70 couldn't even be a eligible receiver on that play he was lined up as a guard I believe. It clearly shows 68 reporting. Again imagine if u had your bankroll on Detroit ML when are these refs gonna be held accountable? It's when one gets murdered Detroit being in here may have that happen. 70 doesn't even talk to the ref the ref see him running in and tells them wrong number

I literally am close to believing that Jerry Jones pays these refs off. The Lions got jobbed really bad if you will remember in a playoff game in Dallas when they had Stafford and Megatron. There was some story circulating that one of the refs was riding in on the Cowboys team bus or something. And it was true too, but I think there was some exterior reason for it. There is something where they just won't let the Lions win @ Dallas. It is bizarre. Plus, don't forget it was Jimmy Johnson night so another reason to make sure boys pulled it out.

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 12:41 AM

The NFL has to have audio of what that ref says to the Defense. I demand we hear it now!! I won my bet btw I had Under. What happened in this game really screws with the integrity of the game. Now you all no why the NFL never wanted gambling. Someone needs to answer to this.

**hehfest** · 12-31-23, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by 2Sweeet

The NFL has to have audio of what that ref says to the Defense. I demand we hear it now!! I won my bet btw I had Under. What happened in this game really screws with the integrity of the game. Now you all no why the NFL never wanted gambling. Someone needs to answer to this.

You have to understand the league has been fukking the Lions over since they started playing Super Bowls. This is nothing new. The Lions get jobbed every which way the fork in the road can go. It never ends.

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

You have to understand the league has been fukking the Lions over since they started playing Super Bowls. This is nothing new. The Lions get jobbed every which way the fork in the road can go. It never ends.

Buddy this could of been a Highschool game!! Everyone was watching this game though and it was a stand alone game in the NFL. #70 never says one word to that ref. I am glad they are saying his name all over Espn that guy should sleep with one eye open and never be allowed to make another call not even kick ball again. They said now in a report the ref said #70 to the defense!! Lets hear that first and if he did he should be fired on the spot cuz #70 never talks to him. penetrate that guy he cost ppl Money from being dumb. Imagine if this is the SB or if you are in a survivor contest for a bunch of money. Guy should be fired tonight

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 01:01 AM

This guy like in my prev post sees 70 running in and makes his own mistake but for all the refs not to correct him is just laughable. This is going viral and they should be thankful nye is tomorrow but I dont think its going anywhere. That ref should be fired tonight and his crew should be too

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 01:07 AM

If I no the rules from when I played QB 30 yrs ago. Lets say #70 was eligible. The play should of been flagged for an illegal formation b4 the play even starts. So no matter what these refs have no clue?? U would have 2 ppl covering up #70 Illegal. The late flag after they made the conversion stinks to high heaven. Add in it's an illegal formation and add in #70 never says a word to Brad. Espn and everyone else is going to run with this and they should. Espn will get corrected after awhile cuz the Nfl pays them. Just sick and not right

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 01:19 AM

I haven't heard one person say its an illegal formation yet? If #70 is eligible it's an illegal formation he's lined up as a guard not a tackle that play. He's covered up by 2 ppl.

**2Sweeet** · 12-31-23, 01:21 AM

Anyway I hope that ref gets fired or at least fined. These refs r no1s yet they play to big of a part in the thing we like to do here. Happy New Years all. Sorry for the rant. Just upsets me someone out there lost there ass cuz of that call and no1 is held accountable

**pavyracer** · 12-31-23, 01:33 AM

The league pays the refs and the league is owned by the 32 owners. No one is going to fire the ref. They are probably going to promote him for helping Cowboys win.

**johnnyvegas13** · 12-31-23, 03:02 AM

The wrong guy reported as eligible

is that really what happened???

**hehfest** · 12-31-23, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by 2Sweeet

Anyway I hope that ref gets fired or at least fined. These refs r no1s yet they play to big of a part in the thing we like to do here. Happy New Years all. Sorry for the rant. Just upsets me someone out there lost there ass cuz of that call and no1 is held accountable

I agree with you. The whole play was fukked up and all the refs had to do was blow the whistle to clarify the situation on the MOST IMPORTANT PLAY OF THE GAME. Why not blow the whistle, have a refs meeting, talk to the Lions, then announce who is eligible, etc. Not this nonchalant bullshit of walking away from all 3 players near him on the Lions so worried about the play clock. They penetrate up that clock and play clock all the time anyway so blow the whistle. When you have players trying to declare to be eligible you have to get that shit clarified........period.

So, if its loud in there, and you are confused; you blow the dam whistle. Not walk away from players trying to get your attention.

**stevenash** · 12-31-23, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by johnnyvegas13

Action network actually better than most

I read Action Network (Labs) a lot.
Their content is generally useful.
On the whole I like them, never tout, but like 98 percent of real life, they too run hot and cold.

Nine times out of ten content services like them will not get me off my bet, I'm big on "if you like a side, then just get the best number and bet the side."

If respectable content service lines up with my thinking, then I may bump up my wager, but unless they provide stone cold data I missed, and let's face it, I miss things, I'm just flesh and blood even though I pretty much crunch numbers for a living, I do miss things, they'll rarely get me off my wager.

"Success seems to be connected with action.
Successful people keep moving.
They make mistakes, but they keep moving."

-Conrad Hilton

I first read that Hilton quote in college and since then has been embedded in my brain.

(I'm not a tout, but IMO Rotowire is the best in the business, but Action Labs are good, not great, but a good content provider, but do run hot and cold.)

**stevenash** · 12-31-23, 09:26 AM

Interesting read

Referee Brad Allen may have cost the Detroit Lions a win against the Dallas Cowboys (msn.com)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It seems like the refs messed up. I’m going to be really curious to hear what the operation was. Looks like Skipper is saying “I didn’t say a F******* word” so I wonder if Decker reported secretly but they assumed it was Skipper because they’re both tall?? I don’t get it.</p>— Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1741313199574519984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**Seattle Slew** · 12-31-23, 09:56 AM

I thought someone reported this ref's crew was the worst in the league this year with missed calls, etc.

**Seattle Slew** · 12-31-23, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

I agree with you. The whole play was fukked up and all the refs had to do was blow the whistle to clarify the situation on the MOST IMPORTANT PLAY OF THE GAME. Why not blow the whistle, have a refs meeting, talk to the Lions, then announce who is eligible, etc. Not this nonchalant bullshit of walking away from all 3 players near him on the Lions so worried about the play clock. They penetrate up that clock and play clock all the time anyway so blow the whistle. When you have players trying to declare to be eligible you have to get that shit clarified........period.

So, if its loud in there, and you are confused; you blow the dam whistle. Not walk away from players trying to get your attention.

My question would also be did the ref throw the flag once the ball was snapped or after the guy made the catch? The flag should have been thrown the second the ball was snapped, but that's not always how it works. Because if the receiver was not eligible, it's a penalty once he heads into the end zone regardless of whether the ball is thrown to him.

**7deuceoff$uit** · 12-31-23, 10:16 AM

Seems like Detroit was trying to get cute there by sending 3 linemen in the officials direction. Apparently #70 had reported eligible a couple of times already, so they made it seem routine as normal, but with the intention of 68 being eligible.

I feel like in the past, an official would announce eligible receivers over the mic. In this case, he just walked over to the defense and said 70 is reporting as eligible. When are they required to announce?

**risKingDigits** · 12-31-23, 10:45 AM

Lions had plenty of opportunities in the first half to add 3 points, sacks, going for it on 4th and goal, running into the teeth of the defense on 3rd down, near FG range. It wasn’t just the latter plays than doomed them. To me they left points on the table, scripted or not. Cover but not win is in the books.

Stop complaining, it serves no purpose to try and rationalize a game that’s soul purpose is revenue and entertainment.

**OldBill** · 12-31-23, 11:08 AM

every fawking time home team puts up former player or former coach on wall of fame or honor they lose ats

i was all in with lions + 4.5 took shot over 37.5 won huge + money for $50 + 120

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 12-31-23, 11:17 AM

Old Bill at it again

Predicting his winners 12 HOURS AFTER THE GAME ENDED

Dont ever change Pal

Horrible was to lose. Cost them the #2 seed

**johnnyvegas13** · 12-31-23, 11:31 AM

If u watch the tape u cannot see what was said but it just looks like the wrong guy reported

and lions made a really dumb mistake

**stevenash** · 12-31-23, 11:44 AM

Campbell went bat shit crazy at the post-game presser.

**pavyracer** · 12-31-23, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by johnnyvegas13

If u watch the tape u cannot see what was said but it just looks like the wrong guy reported

and lions made a really dumb mistake

The tape has no sound. #70 might have said to the ref who the eligible linemen where for the whole team. This is why the NFL needs to releae the audio of what was said. But they will not to protect the ref as he is their employee.

**hehfest** · 12-31-23, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Seattle Slew

My question would also be did the ref throw the flag once the ball was snapped or after the guy made the catch? The flag should have been thrown the second the ball was snapped, but that's not always how it works. Because if the receiver was not eligible, it's a penalty once he heads into the end zone regardless of whether the ball is thrown to him.

LOL - I think it was after he caught the pass when the flag came out.

**hehfest** · 12-31-23, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Old Bill at it again

Predicting his winners 12 HOURS AFTER THE GAME ENDED

Dont ever change Pal

Horrible was to lose. Cost them the #2 seed

Is TheTopMoron Old Bill's son?

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 12-31-23, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by hehfest

Is TheTopMoron Old Bill's son?

He will chime in soon enough

**bjb7223** · 12-31-23, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by trobin31

I won my plays but NFL is rigged beyond belief it’s a joke.

legal gambling is a problem

**hawkwind** · 12-31-23, 05:46 PM

one & done

**gauchojake** · 12-31-23, 05:54 PM

Goodell was NOT letting the LIONS spoil JJ's big night. He made the call and told them to blame it on the beard.