SkyBook

DrSlamm · 02-10-07, 06:26 PM

half pt is only on friday

Korchnoi · 02-10-07, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by DrSlamm

half pt is only on friday

only friday for basketball, on all football games you get a half pt always (exept on/off 3/7)

Dark Horse · 02-11-07, 12:57 AM

They took the 1/2 pt away a few months ago. Maybe they brought it back for football, now that football season is over...

They were afraid to get hit hard, so they lowered the limit for the free 1/2 pt to $300. After that they started moving many lines 1/2 pt, and/or offering the other side for -115. That kind of sh*t.

The 1/2 pt is worth a lot more in the NBA, so they took it away when the basketball season started and only offer it now on Friday's. This book is past its prime.

Doug · 02-11-07, 02:26 AM

They seem to have lost their identity, and not found a way to pay out without clients paying too much in fees. I used to like them, a lot, but I busted out my account ( never kept it high), and then no reasonable way back in.

They were very generous with contests. IMO, they will shut down soon, and pay everybody. They've shut down every other book in the RIO "group" previously, so why not Skybook,too ?

The problem, as I see it, is old customers just won't return, they'll go for Greek,Jamaica,5D,etc.,and lack of volume will say just raise the white flag and surrendor to whomever owns Skybook.

Shrink isn't helping them any, Roberto claims he was stiffed by SKY on ads, just a lot of bad forum news on them lately.

They never were very good for NHL or MLB, hard to just book hoops at full juice.

They just don't offer a whole lot of reasons to play there since the trademark half point is rarely offered.

I do think they will pay, just that nobody will re-up once they bust out.

pags11 · 02-11-07, 03:52 AM

skybook pretty much sucks...

Arilou · 02-11-07, 08:05 AM

You can't give out a free half point in the NBA without shaded pricing, because half-points are worth at least 8 basis points in the NBA and that gives you a 4-cent line, which is well beyond their pay grade in the best case.

Korchnoi · 02-11-07, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Arilou

You can't give out a free half point in the NBA without shaded pricing, because half-points are worth at least 8 basis points in the NBA and that gives you a 4-cent line, which is well beyond their pay grade in the best case.

what do you mean by "shaded pricing." I assume it means they lean their mkt to loose the least when they give the half pt, but they can't ever neturalize 8bp they give back right?

Dark Horse · 02-11-07, 11:41 AM

Just an example.

Other books:
Team A -7 -110
Team B +7 -110

Skybook:
Team A -7.5 -105
Team B +7.5 -115

So if you take the dog to +8 you pay -115, and if you take the fave down to -7 you have only a small 5 ct edge. It just turned into a silly game that had little to do with a free half point.

DrSlamm · 02-11-07, 12:29 PM

the free halfpt contains a lot of value very often even with the pitfalls you describe

Doug · 02-11-07, 01:05 PM

It does have value, they can't shade it both ways, so one side is going to fairly attractive in hoops, but not enormous value if you compare it to -105.

It's not often worth much of anything in football.

For me Friday only is not enough reason to play there, and they haven't solved the payout issue, a Fed-ex check for $30 or so is a must. They were too reliant on NT.

Yoshi · 02-11-07, 01:28 PM

They have been one of the most overrated books of all time.
Stupid marketing with giving away tons of free cash, remember that BJ promo?

And on the other hand not offering enough value to keep the players they attraced with those offers.

R.I.P.

Korchnoi · 02-11-07, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Just an example.

Other books:
Team A -7 -110
Team B +7 -110

Skybook:
Team A -7.5 -105
Team B +7.5 -115

So if you take the dog to +8 you pay -115, and if you take the fave down to -7 you have only a small 5 ct edge. It just turned into a silly game that had little to do with a free half point.

I see what you're saying, although it's tough for them to do this in basektball b/c they give you the 1/2pt with no restrictions. In your example, they could just make the "other books" line b/c you cant move on/off the 3/7.

Doug · 02-11-07, 01:59 PM

They stick close to Pinny, or used to, so you get maybe 2 -3cents better than Pinny using the dropdown. On football the Pinny dropdown was usually better.

DrSlamm · 02-11-07, 02:07 PM

college basketball is where the free halfer really shines.. use it friday night to bet on saturdays games..

probably didnt think of this did you..

Doug · 02-11-07, 02:27 PM

yes I used to do that, but problem was the lines often didn't come out until 130 am Eastern, and only good until 3am Eastern.

Technically you could bet both Fri and Sat games with the free half ( if bet on Fri), I guess they've gotten a bit better about earlier lines after RX poster complaints.

It's still not enough to bring me back to Skybook, I'd play there for sure during hoops.... if we still had NT.

Free half is good, but I believe Skybook is on the way out, I hope I'm wrong about it.

mjc257 · 02-11-07, 03:21 PM

I don't play at skybook anymore. They were great a few years back. I believe they're on their way out also.

Skybook is giving a good friend of mine an awful time with his latest payout request. Every time he places the request, they tell him he still needs to rollover his account. The rollover requirement went from 8x, to 16x, to 20x. We'll see if they pay him this request. They said he'd have a control number by Tuesday.

Korchnoi · 02-11-07, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by mjc257

I don't play at skybook anymore. They were great a few years back. I believe they're on their way out also.

Skybook is giving a good friend of mine an awful time with his latest payout request. Every time he places the request, they tell him he still needs to rollover his account. The rollover requirement went from 8x, to 16x, to 20x. We'll see if they pay him this request. They said he'd have a control number by Tuesday.

What? That's aweful. The book did this without reason? Was it reported to SBR?

jjgold · 02-11-07, 05:25 PM

Skybook is really not a big book anymore, they will be bought out

Doug · 02-11-07, 05:35 PM

I don't think they ever tried to be big. To me big is take big bets at -110. Sky's model was the small punter, the $300-500 max type, and more like the $50 guy. Get him in, and no free NT out, you keep him until he loses or gets lucky, eh ? That way a guy can't pay $15 to draw out $500 via NT.

That can work, but not without NT. They even paid Insta-cash fees to get these guys in.

BuddyBear · 02-12-07, 01:14 AM

yeah...this may be one of those books that comes up in a thread like "where are they now" 10 years from now. This is definitely a book on the decline.

WWTSblows · 02-12-07, 09:10 AM

Anyone receive a payout lately? If so, what was the turnaround time?

Korchnoi · 02-12-07, 09:26 AM

and method of payout too, pls.

freebie · 02-12-07, 10:35 AM

Shit, I"m going to do a Western Union payout quick.
I think they only do ** withdraws as I had read from different forums

pags11 · 02-12-07, 06:48 PM

agreed buddy...

mjc257 · 02-13-07, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Korchnoi

What? That's aweful. The book did this without reason? Was it reported to SBR?

He's lazy and doesn't want to be bothered with posting on forums. I told him to keep me updated with his progress.

DrSlamm · 02-13-07, 04:44 AM

ive gotten 9500 bankwire from them

Korchnoi · 02-13-07, 10:17 AM

I continue to get good lines there. Last night I played Oklahoma St +7.5 -110 when the Pinny market was (-124/+110) for the same bet.

pags11 · 02-13-07, 06:24 PM

korchnoi,

I can't really talk because I had Tenn. St. last night, but just an FYI...OSU sucks balls, especially on the road (one of the most overrated teams in the country in my opinion right now)...GL my friend...

Doug · 02-17-07, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

yeah...this may be one of those books that comes up in a thread like "where are they now" 10 years from now. This is definitely a book on the decline.

It was pretty damn stupid to give away dozens of TV's that were only able to be won by the same pool of a couple hundred of players every week. These guys kind of know Skybook exists, already.

SBR_John · 02-17-07, 04:00 PM

I wouldnt write this book off just yet. They are bigger than most would guess. We hit them with a downgrade before the recent bad press becuase of the turmoil in the ownership. But there has been no spike in complaints. They could slip and that's probably the chalck scenario but not necessarily a winning bet. They have critical mass and a decent ownership group could do some good things with what they have to work with.

DrSlamm · 02-17-07, 06:39 PM

ive received 2 9500 dollar bankwires from skybook without too much hassle since all of this has gone down.. 100 dollar fee a bit expensive but seems to be the industry norm