Pitcher time clock in baseball

**slayer14** · 04-04-23, 05:53 AM

Look at the scores from last night so many runs scored in each game.

**hehfest** · 04-04-23, 06:08 AM

All but one game went over the total. Pay attention because the books might be slow to move the lines up where they should be. Add in no more shift as well. These lines should probably be from the normal 7 to 8 from the rule changes alone. They are slow to react to these things for some reason.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-04-23, 07:06 AM

I love it, the games are about thirty minutes shorter on average and the games do not feel rushed.

More action consolidated into a shorter time frame.

**Snowball** · 04-04-23, 07:18 AM

that's right
i've also found the ALT TOTALS $$

**konck** · 04-04-23, 07:39 AM

I was at Mets/Marlins first 4 games I love the clock takes out 80% of the BS but you can see 10 umps have retired the umpiring is a little weak.

**Brock Landers** · 04-04-23, 08:47 AM

It should have happened 30 years ago.

Best change baseball has made in decades

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-04-23, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Brock Landers

It should have happened 30 years ago.

Best change baseball has made in decades

The elimination of the infield shift has been great too...batting average is up and stolen bases are WAY up.

More small ball and manufacturing of runs instead of waiting for the 3 run homer.

What we have seen so far reminds me of the way the game was played decades ago and it is a joy to see.

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 04-04-23, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

All but one game went over the total. Pay attention because the books might be slow to move the lines up where they should be. Add in no more shift as well. These lines should probably be from the normal 7 to 8 from the rule changes alone. They are slow to react to these things for some reason.

Before yesterday, unders were 26-23-1; anything can happen on one day.

**Art Vandelay** · 04-04-23, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

I love it, the games are about thirty minutes shorter on average and the games do not feel rushed.

More action consolidated into a shorter time frame.

Love all the changes! Why drag the game an extra 30 minutes or so? No reason to sit thru a 3:30-4 hour marathon when it can be condensed to 2:30-2:45...

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-04-23, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay

Love all the changes! Why drag the game an extra 30 minutes or so? No reason to sit thru a 3:30-4 hour marathon when it can be condensed to 2:30-2:45...

Agreed!

That said, the ghost runner in extra innings has to be the worst change ever!

**stevenash** · 04-04-23, 09:45 AM

Hate the changes, baseball is now a gimmick.

**Shute** · 04-04-23, 09:48 AM

Say goodbye to no-hitters

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-04-23, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

Hate the changes, baseball is now a gimmick.

Color me shocked.

We might even see more guys try to actually make consistent contact now since there are more holes in the infield.

**Art Vandelay** · 04-04-23, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

Agreed!

That said, the ghost runner in extra innings has to be the worst change ever!

With the games going much shorter, maybe revert to normal on the extras ghost...?

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-04-23, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay

With the games going much shorter, maybe revert to normal on the extras ghost...?

Manfred seems to love the ghost runner rubbish so I do not think it's going anywhere.

**Snowball** · 04-04-23, 10:58 AM

The Major League Baseball Entertainment ratings will improve for one year.

Then, they will slump again once the novelty wears off.

**TheMoneyShot** · 04-04-23, 11:32 AM

I can see it from both sides... why someone would like the change... and why someone wouldn't like it.

In regards to playoff baseball... I understand you can't just change the regular season and not change the playoffs... but man... I wish they'd slow it down during the playoffs. I like the intensity... decision making... "drama" if you will during playoffs. How could you possibly get all of that with a fast paced baseball game?

**homie1975** · 04-04-23, 12:44 PM

amazing sport, but still BORING AS FUKK to watch.

pass.

**Kami40** · 04-04-23, 12:56 PM

Yeppers too many people in the World very Impatient there is no rush sports are entertaining & Fun to watch & bet on whats the rush? the rule needs to be revoked ASAP!!

**slayer14** · 04-04-23, 01:02 PM

Why does it matter if a baseball game is 40 minutes less than before, you wont draw in more fans to watch the game.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-04-23, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Why does it matter if a baseball game is 40 minutes less than before, you wont draw in more fans to watch the game.

Crisper pace, less dead time, more action...

Baseball was the only sport where players could take unlimited time outs. Can you imagine the uproar if that was the case in the NFL, NBA etc?

I'm a sports purist and am usually very resistant to change but I feel like some of the changes are a breath of fresh air.

**JIBBBY** · 04-04-23, 01:28 PM

Speeding up that pitcher clock is a good move. Game is already slow enough.

**pavyracer** · 04-04-23, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Why does it matter if a baseball game is 40 minutes less than before, you wont draw in more fans to watch the game.

Have you ever been to a baseball game? Who wants to sit for 4 hrs to watch a game? You can watch 2 soccer, 2 basketball and 2 hockey games in the amount of time it takes to finish a baseball game with old rules. And they play most game on weekdays. Noone wants to go to bed at 1 am in the morning on a Tuesday because the game is too long.

**VeggieDog** · 04-04-23, 05:16 PM

Why does the batter have to be "prepared" for the pitch by 8 seconds? The rule should be that under 8 seconds, the pitcher can pitch the ball whether the batter is ready or not.

The umpires are already incompetent. Now you're telling them to watch the batter and the clock at the same time, plus being ready to call the pitch.

**Kermit** · 04-04-23, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Look at the scores from last night so many runs scored in each game.

I love it.

**JIBBBY** · 04-04-23, 08:38 PM

**Headsterx** · 04-04-23, 08:50 PM

Games are now less than 3 hrs. I love it!

**stevenash** · 04-04-23, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

Color me shocked.

You really shouldn't be all that shocked JP.

Rob Manfred wants more offense, more scoring, that's not some behind closed doors secret, he's on record as saying so.

Manfred is also on record as saying he wants to speed up the game, and I am not so sure his novelty act rule changes will accomplish that.

More hits and runs scored will add to the length of time a game is played no decrease it.
The feeling here most of the inane rules changes will just offset what he's trying to accomplish.
In theory, auto placing a runner on second base to start each half inning of extra inning games will speed up the game outcomes, but that runner isn't guaranteed to score.
And if you ask me if you have a rule change, such as the auto runner to start extra innings in place for the regular season, then it must be applied in the post season as well, it should be a 'one size fits all' rule, it's like saying you can play zone defense in the NBA during the regular season, but not during the playoffs, or it's OK to hand check during the regular season, but you can't ride the ball handler on defense and hand check during the postseason.

One or the other rule changes should be universal.

Now, I'll tell you what I am onboard with.
I'm good with the 15 second rule for the pitcher to deliver the ball to the batter WITHOUT A RUNNER ON BASE.
That's ample time.

However the 20 seconds the ball the pitcher has to deliver the pitch WITH RUNNERS ON BASE, imo, is a little tight, expand that to 25 seconds is what I say, and I say a lot of things, doesn't make it right though.
I like to think I know what I speak of, I did a lot of behind the plate catching back in the day, on organized levels, 20 seconds in some key situations late in the game sometimes is not enough time to make the correct decision, give the pitcher another five seconds is not asking that much.

But the batter should have to be ready to hit with eight seconds left on the shot clock, Mike Hargrove doesn't need more that a few seconds to scratch his yam bag.
I'm OK with that.
(There is not a big enough sample size of games played yet for me to analyze all this yet. so the jury is still out if I am right or wrong)

Increasing the surface area of the bases is a joke, eliminating the infield shift is a bigger joke.
If Gallo can not hit to the opposite field, than Gallo needs to spend some time in the instructional minor leagues to learn how to.

MLB hitters are supposes to be the cream of the cream, elites.
A professional hitter that can not hit to all fields in my eyes is not a professional hitter.

All these rule changes and I can't think of a singular one that is beneficial for the pitcher.

Jesus God man, what's next, eliminating the wood bats, eliminating them with aluminum, increase the velocity of the ball speed off the bat, putting the pitcher's life in harm's way?Let's do that Rob, while we are making the game into a clown show, let's use aluminum bats, and if the struck ball takes off the pitchers head, let's award the team at bat four bonus runs for doing so.

Or let's eliminate pitching all together, let's call it MLB professional tee ball, let the teams at bat just use tees, like we did when we were eight year olds.

**Otters27** · 04-05-23, 03:52 AM

The pick off rule is dumb

**manny24** · 04-05-23, 04:38 AM

season is too long also

baseball sucks anyway

major league softball in bikinis we can all agree would be fukkin awesome

all grass field with beach sand on the warning track

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-05-23, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

You really shouldn't be all that shocked JP.

Rob Manfred wants more offense, more scoring, that's not some behind closed doors secret, he's on record as saying so.

Manfred is also on record as saying he wants to speed up the game, and I am not so sure his novelty act rule changes will accomplish that.

More hits and runs scored will add to the length of time a game is played no decrease it.
The feeling here most of the inane rules changes will just offset what he's trying to accomplish.
In theory, auto placing a runner on second base to start each half inning of extra inning games will speed up the game outcomes, but that runner isn't guaranteed to score.
And if you ask me if you have a rule change, such as the auto runner to start extra innings in place for the regular season, then it must be applied in the post season as well, it should be a 'one size fits all' rule, it's like saying you can play zone defense in the NBA during the regular season, but not during the playoffs, or it's OK to hand check during the regular season, but you can't ride the ball handler on defense and hand check during the postseason.

One or the other rule changes should be universal.

Now, I'll tell you what I am onboard with.
I'm good with the 15 second rule for the pitcher to deliver the ball to the batter WITHOUT A RUNNER ON BASE.
That's ample time.

However the 20 seconds the ball the pitcher has to deliver the pitch WITH RUNNERS ON BASE, imo, is a little tight, expand that to 25 seconds is what I say, and I say a lot of things, doesn't make it right though.
I like to think I know what I speak of, I did a lot of behind the plate catching back in the day, on organized levels, 20 seconds in some key situations late in the game sometimes is not enough time to make the correct decision, give the pitcher another five seconds is not asking that much.

But the batter should have to be ready to hit with eight seconds left on the shot clock, Mike Hargrove doesn't need more that a few seconds to scratch his yam bag.
I'm OK with that.
(There is not a big enough sample size of games played yet for me to analyze all this yet. so the jury is still out if I am right or wrong)

Increasing the surface area of the bases is a joke, eliminating the infield shift is a bigger joke.
If Gallo can not hit to the opposite field, than Gallo needs to spend some time in the instructional minor leagues to learn how to.

MLB hitters are supposes to be the cream of the cream, elites.
A professional hitter that can not hit to all fields in my eyes is not a professional hitter.

All these rule changes and I can't think of a singular one that is beneficial for the pitcher.

Jesus God man, what's next, eliminating the wood bats, eliminating them with aluminum, increase the velocity of the ball speed off the bat, putting the pitcher's life in harm's way?Let's do that Rob, while we are making the game into a clown show, let's use aluminum bats, and if the struck ball takes off the pitchers head, let's award the team at bat four bonus runs for doing so.

Or let's eliminate pitching all together, let's call it MLB professional tee ball, let the teams at bat just use tees, like we did when we were eight year olds.

Agreed, i do not like the bigger bases.

I'd argue that the pitch clock will improve defense. The fielders will be more alert and not falling asleep with all the breaks in the action. Physical and mental errors should decrease?? Therefore, it will help pitchers in that respect.

Regarding the shift, I feel like in any sport you should be able to defend as you please. That said, after years of decreasing batting averages to near Mendoza line levels along with strikeouts way up, I don't mind tinkering with something that should increase batting average and potentially influence guys to make better contact as they might be rewarded with more seeing eye hits through the infield.

Some of the rule changes I like, others I don't but overall I like the end result of the way the games are playing out now better than in recent history.

**flyingillini** · 04-05-23, 07:30 AM

Do the fans chant down the time at all the stadiums or was that an isolated incident I saw on a highlight?

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 04-05-23, 08:21 AM

Eliminating the shift is no different than when they lowered the mound in 1969 (I think it was that year), you have to maintain a competitive balance between the pitchers and hitters. I love the pitch clock (a necessary evil) but hate the bigger bases and the pickoff rule.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-05-23, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by flyingillini

Do the fans chant down the time at all the stadiums or was that an isolated incident I saw on a highlight?

My guess is that most fanbases will jump on board eventually...