I won $3000 at Circa Sportsbook , They demanded Social Security Number

**agendaman** · 03-01-23, 10:09 PM

well give it or you will not get paid.

**Fishhead** · 03-01-23, 10:10 PM

WOW, this is strange.

**gym rat** · 03-01-23, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

WOW, this is strange.

Yep, I thought so too. Not planning to play there anymore. Customer Service from the line manager was pretty poor in my opinion. She showed that she really could care less about me as a customer. Best advice she could tell me was to go check on google and I could find it easily which wasn't true at all. She must just tell everybody that line and has never really gone to google herself.

**Fishhead** · 03-02-23, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by gym rat

Yep, I thought so too. Not planning to play there anymore. Customer Service from the line manager was pretty poor in my opinion. She showed that she really could care less about me as a customer. Best advice she could tell me was to go check on google and I could find it easily which wasn't true at all. She must just tell everybody that line and has never really gone to google herself.

Which Circa venue??

**pologq** · 03-02-23, 08:15 AM

probably not even sure of the rules. another useless worker.

**pavyracer** · 03-02-23, 08:41 AM

give them the wrong one and see what happens. why would they need it?

**Fishhead** · 03-02-23, 09:07 AM

Will be stopping one of the venues in the next few days and will directly inquire about this.

**big joe 1212** · 03-02-23, 10:57 AM

10k in a day is the threshold

Did you possibly cash out 1k in other tickets or chips at the cage that same day?

**mjsuax13** · 03-02-23, 12:10 PM

Interesting. They pride themselves on a hassle free experience. I’ve met Derek personally many times and he even hosted me for a weekend at The D for the contest and everything was A+++. I don’t think he’d like hearing this but there may be new laws/requirements as he continues to scale. Sometimes the minions also take themselves too seriously.

**newton0038** · 03-02-23, 12:33 PM

Uncle Sam wants his cut. Now u have to beat the number, the price, win the bet AND THE TAX MAN..
Next it will be an instant IRS interview.

**Optional** · 03-02-23, 03:24 PM

Sounds like you ran into an awful staff member.

I think she still has to pay you without ID, just has to hold back 30% for tax as I understand it, as a foreign player in Vegas.

Send an email about the threat to ban you for asking what was going on.

**wombat** · 03-02-23, 04:50 PM

This is why offshore will never go away

**dark star** · 03-02-23, 07:05 PM

I wonder if this has ever happened to FISSCUK

**JIBBBY** · 03-02-23, 07:47 PM

Biden swore he wouldn't go after the little guys for taxes. Bastard lied!

**bleedblue** · 03-02-23, 09:11 PM

As annoying as it is, no employee should be telling you the reporting limits, so you can structure your bets/cash outs.

It’s all pretty frustrating. Like you can bet $9k to win $1k and they have to report that?

**JIBBBY** · 03-02-23, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by wombat

This is why offshore will never go away

Yup. Just pump your winnings into your Coinbase account via crypto and be done with it with offshore. No problems. Easy peasy always.

Offshore also loves giving out generous bonus's when depositing with bitcoin.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Which Circa venue??

The main Circa SportsBook Downtown. They said they were not reporting to IRS however have their own Sportsbook Rules and this payout met Circa Sportsbooks threshold to require my Social Security Number. When I questioned why it was required when total payout was below $10K , she (the line manager) intimated that if I continued to question the reason, then she could require me to complete W9.
I was given a white blank scratch sheet of paper to write my social security number.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

10k in a day is the threshold

Did you possibly cash out 1k in other tickets or chips at the cage that same day?

I did not! It was the only payout from Circa on that day.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by mjsuax13

Interesting. They pride themselves on a hassle free experience. I’ve met Derek personally many times and he even hosted me for a weekend at The D for the contest and everything was A+++. I don’t think he’d like hearing this but there may be new laws/requirements as he continues to scale. Sometimes the minions also take themselves too seriously.

Yes , this line manager reminded me of a female cop with the authority issue. She didn't want to address any of my questions or concerns. It was just like give me your social security or you don't get paid and I can transition this into a W9 if you prefer . She didn't need to tell me anything else. Then told me it was all online and to google it. It didn't make too much sense to me.
She claims this in not to report to IRS but I met the requirement for Circa Sportsbook to require my Social Security Number.

It felt very strange to me. They already have my driver license info as I'm a player club member so I couldn't understand why Circa now wants my social security number.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Will be stopping one of the venues in the next few days and will directly inquire about this.

They will give you a laminated info sheet that describes the $10K limit for IRS reporting however has nothing to do with why Circa Sportsbook needs my social security number written down on a blank scratch sheet of paper.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Sounds like you ran into an awful staff member.

I think she still has to pay you without ID, just has to hold back 30% for tax as I understand it, as a foreign player in Vegas.

Send an email about the threat to ban you for asking what was going on.

In order to play at most of the vegas sportsbooks and wager anything significant , probably anything over $1K however I'm not sure on this number, the sportsbooks require you to have a player's card account which requires ID.

So they had my Identification on file from when I opened the players club account.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by bleedblue

As annoying as it is, no employee should be telling you the reporting limits, so you can structure your bets/cash outs.

It’s all pretty frustrating. Like you can bet $9k to win $1k and they have to report that?

They made sure they did not tell me any of the reporting limits. Apparently the social security is not for IRS. It is for Circa's specific requirement and Circa would not give me any info on what their company threshold is for requiring it and why they need my social.

They are also very careful not to mention any of the IRS threshold requirements as well which I understand. But why would Circa refuse to disclose what their company threshold is for the social security number and why they need it.

**Fishhead** · 03-02-23, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by gym rat

They will give you a laminated info sheet that describes the $10K limit for IRS reporting however has nothing to do with why Circa Sportsbook needs my social security number written down on a blank scratch sheet of paper.

Worked in sportsbook 8 years before turning pro, I know.

**Fishhead** · 03-02-23, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by gym rat

They made sure they did not tell me any of the reporting limits. Apparently the social security is not for IRS. It is for Circa's specific requirement and Circa would not give me any info on what their company threshold is for requiring it and why they need my social.

They are also very careful not to mention any of the IRS threshold requirements as well which I understand. But why would Circa refuse to disclose what their company threshold is for the social security number and why they need it.

As stated earlier, I will inquire about this with them as soon as I can and get back to you.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Yup. Just pump your winnings into your Coinbase account via crypto and be done with it with offshore. No problems. Easy peasy always.

Offshore also loves giving out generous bonus's when depositing with bitcoin.

I like offshore too. Just wanted to share this experience with the forum and see if anyone knew if it's just Circa that now require the social security number for some total payouts probably between $5K and $10K I'm guessing or are there many other Vegas sportsbooks wanting social security numbers now for their own sportsbook requirements.

**gym rat** · 03-02-23, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

As stated earlier, I will inquire about this with them as soon as I can and get back to you.

Right On Fish!

**vampire assassin** · 03-03-23, 01:27 PM

I asked Jeff Benson about this. He said the only reason is if they believed you crossed the 10k threshhold.

If that didn't happen, you should reach out to him on twitter.

**Optional** · 03-03-23, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by vampire assassin

I asked Jeff Benson about this. He said the only reason is if they believed you crossed the 10k threshhold.

If that didn't happen, you should reach out to him on twitter.

Did you give him a link to this thread?

Would very much like to hear an official explanation/policy about this stuff.

**gym rat** · 03-03-23, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by vampire assassin

I asked Jeff Benson about this. He said the only reason is if they believed you crossed the 10k threshhold.

If that didn't happen, you should reach out to him on twitter.

The $9K payout was the only payout that I have received from Circa Sportsbook or any of their Circa affiliate books for the whole year so far.

**gym rat** · 03-03-23, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by vampire assassin

I asked Jeff Benson about this. He said the only reason is if they believed you crossed the 10k threshhold.

If that didn't happen, you should reach out to him on twitter.

I clearly questioned this line manager and clarified that I was below $10K for the total payout and she didn't want to hear anything that I had to say. She was adamant that I needed to give my social security number without addressing the $10K payout threshold or I would not get paid , period. The best info she could give me was that this was not an IRS requirement however was a Circa Sportsbook Policy but would not give me any info on what Circa Sportsbook Policy thresholds were for demanding a social security number.

It seems they should inform customers on their own Circa sportsbook policy which apparently is not required by law. I don't feel a sportsbook needs my social security number if they already have my ID and it isn't required by law.

**gym rat** · 03-03-23, 03:51 PM

I went over to one of the William Hills Sportsbooks downtown after this incident and they told me they only require social security number if total payout is above $10K which is what I had known to be true. It doesn't appear William Hills sportsbook will require social security number with total payout less than $10K from what I was told.

I still would like to learn what Circa Sportsbook Policy is on this however this line manager that I dealt with would not give me any info on it.

She says that Google knows all about it and that I should go online and google it however she will not tell me anything about it.

Somehow google found out about it but she will not tell any of their customers about this policy for requiring social security number with total payouts below $10K

I tried to ask another guy working there who initially cashed the ticket however he seemed afraid to say anything and just directed any question that I had back to the line manager , I'm guessing out of fear he would say something incorrect.

**5918mike** · 03-03-23, 04:54 PM

Is the standard 10k threshold on a single ticket? or transaction, say you cashed multiple tickets at once that exceeded 10k. Can you generally cash out an 8k ticket in the morning and another 6k ticket in the afternoon and still avoid giving them your information?

**gym rat** · 03-03-23, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by 5918mike

Is the standard 10k threshold on a single ticket? or transaction, say you cashed multiple tickets at once that exceeded 10k. Can you generally cash out an 8k ticket in the morning and another 6k ticket in the afternoon and still avoid giving them your information?

It's total payout amount per day, $10K Limit

So they would add up multiple payouts to meet $10K threshold per day at a particular sportsbook.

To avoid the $10K threshold per day at one sportsbook, you can spread the wagers across different sportsbooks.

**bleedblue** · 03-04-23, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by 5918mike

Is the standard 10k threshold on a single ticket? or transaction, say you cashed multiple tickets at once that exceeded 10k. Can you generally cash out an 8k ticket in the morning and another 6k ticket in the afternoon and still avoid giving them your information?

Not really kosher but you can cashout after shift change to a different cashier and probably avoid it.

Edit: at those dollar amounts (over $5k) I believe cashiers may require ID so that could mess up the plan.