Footballl Touts: who do you respect? And who is full of hot air?

[ChuckyTheGoat]

No holds barred. Let it go.

I'll start w/ the short list. Who is worth listening to?
*Dave Cokin. Knows a lot, I actually believe he's a winning player.
*Steve Fezzik. Knows the numbers, pretty good on strategy.
*Steve Merril. Have come to respect him, knows some things.
*Marc Lawrence. Been around a long time. Doesn't hard sell.

Who is full of hot air? This list could go on ad infinitum:
*Drew Martin. Haven't heard anything of substance. Makes a million videos.
*Adam Trigger. Talks too much.
*Prez. Grainy voice and no content.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Do not follow touts so no real opinion. GL Chuck

[jrgum3]

I watch their videos but I don't pay for any of their picks. Just watch to see what others think about certain games I'm interested in betting and making my wager based off of my own opinion. I would never pay for picks even though there are probably some touts like some of those you mention who know their stuff.

[agendaman]

all touts who charge for their services should be legally banned.

[Johnnythunder]

I watch and listen to everyone. Cokin has sound arguments and i like to hear his opinions. Merril and prez are garbage. Trigger has been brutal at asian baseball in the few months ive listened to him and seems to fancy himself an expert at it. No doubt he is serious fade material in other areas too.

[pologq]

i read to see their writeups for free picks on two websites but would not pay for a pick. they skew the numbers always in their favor to look like they lose so little.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Every one of them are lying scum with the possible exception of Fezzik.

[agendaman]

fezzik is ok

[jjgold]

Yep

If they were so good, they wouldn’t be selling picks never forget that

all touts who charge for their services should be legally banned.

[Optional]

If they are selling stuff I think their views and opinions can be skewed to sell their own logic.

So the value of listening at all is negligible. Entertainment only.

[icon]

I like this guy.

Pay AFTER YOU WIN!!

[Mike Huntertz]

If you have a winner, play it and win.
If you can win 60% you're on a rocket into space with Musk.
If not, sell picks or real estate, another useless spot for scums.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

icon, for entertainment, he's not bad.

You know he's dead, right? Died at a (relatively) young age while back.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Cokin had a big 5* play yesterday on James Madison +6, w/ a 1* splash on +225 Moneyline.

I read his writeup. He was spot-on. Talked about the prospect of an App St letdown.

Logic was very good:
(t-2) Upset win at AppSt
(t-1) First ever Coll FB Gameday at Boone NC. Game goes to wire, they win on Hail Mary.

James Mad had bye week last week. Cokin's logic was that AppSt would be flat. Took a while, but AppSt was dead team in 2nd half.

[eidolon]

All BS.

All their records are rake.
The sites that say they keep records of certain touts are fake as well.

[SlickFazzer]

Its tough, even if someone is good, when you factor in their fee - it is hard to turn a profit.

Many guys will be on during the week on podcasts, twitter, etc. You can get some free tidbits to
help form your decisions.

[MT Casings]

They are all full of sheet. The money you give them is money you could be using to build a bankroll

[jjgold]

Dead on

Its tough, even if someone is good, when you factor in their fee - it is hard to turn a profit.

Many guys will be on during the week on podcasts, twitter, etc. You can get some free tidbits to
help form your decisions.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Its tough, even if someone is good, when you factor in their fee - it is hard to turn a profit.

Many guys will be on during the week on podcasts, twitter, etc. You can get some free tidbits to
help form your decisions.

Slick Fazzer, "call me."

Ya, it wasn't really a question of picking a Tout to buy picks from. You'd have to be insane to do that. Hard enough to beat -110. How could one ever pay for picks so that he now has to beat -120 (after the fees)?

Q was designed to identify who might actually be knowledgable. And I think there are a few. Just so that so many of these guys are absolute windbags.

[SlickFazzer]

i listen/watch the Ross Tucker podcast with Fezzik each Tuesday on Youtube.

Also Las Vegas Cris has content on Youtube each week.

Don't have time for much more.

[GunShard]

I fade the public than listen to a tout. But sometimes they give interesting stats.
https://www.youtube.com/c/Wagertalk/videos

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I fade the public than listen to a tout. But sometimes they give interesting stats.
https://www.youtube.com/c/Wagertalk/videos

I mentioned that Merril really does have some good content.

As for ever signing up for his picks? No way.

[pologq]

i get free picks from wagertalk and sportsmemo so i see cokin and others. i do read what they say as there is some value but i will not pay. i know teddy covers had the rams yesterday (good pick) while a couple of guys had the commanders (bad pick). one guy predicted the bengals to beat the jets badly (good pick). i think it all depends on the week.

[Auto Donk]

well, at least we've solved one fat-faced phony fukk with no ears who has been claiming a phony client base....

he looks like vito the phag from sopranos, without ears:

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Chucky, I always liked Cokin. When I lived out in Vegas he had a show on the local AM radio in the afternoons and always enjoyed listening. Also, well before VSIN Mitch Moss and Pauly Howard had shows(together and apart) on the local radio and they were always great. Glad to see they are seemingly doing very well nowadays.

Agree most of these new touts are awful, I prefer the older ones that have been around for decades.

I would not say that I'm a "fan" of many others...

[pologq]

i value the free write-ups as more research. to actually pay $53 for a "guaranteed pick", or $35 for "non guaranteed", is comical. I do not bet enough for that to even make fiscal sense plus i feel like it is an indirect scam.

this annoys me. this is on sports memo. they use all these fcukin stars, game of the year, game of the week, game of fridays during lent, game of the odd numbered day when my wife doesn't blow me, it pisses me off. then you see some figure with money that makes no sense. this cuck look-a-like is why touts are not trusted.


Alan's 10* MLB Game of the Year goes Tuesday night as he looks to add to his current 26-16 +$3,735 MLB Run!!

[stake1]

Fade lang. Kelso gets streaky, and his “100 unit” football picks are pretty solid

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Chucky, I always liked Cokin. When I lived out in Vegas he had a show on the local AM radio in the afternoons and always enjoyed listening. Also, well before VSIN Mitch Moss and Pauly Howard had shows(together and apart) on the local radio and they were always great. Glad to see they are seemingly doing very well nowadays.

Agree most of these new touts are awful, I prefer the older ones that have been around for decades.

I would not say that I'm a "fan" of many others...

Yes, he knows a lot. Been around forever, he's doing something right.

I've followed his career. People will call me out for saying this: *Cokin is one of the best at calling out flat-spots.

He called it w/ AppSt last week, and he was right. They were just off the upset of TxAM, then Coll Gameday capped w/ Hail Mary at gun. AppSt was shot by the 4q.

Have seen him make similar calls. He has some understanding of when a team figures to be flat.

Really just a couple things about Cokin:
1) If he could just play MLB/NHL/CollFB/CollBask, I think he'd be at his best. I think he does NFL just b/c the site wants him to get sales.
2) He's touted and done sports radio. What % of his Net Worth is via winning Bets? I'd guess a very small %, <2%.

[pologq]

Cokin is not bad to listen to and his write-ups are good info to consider. Him wearing sunglasses in every video annoys me but that has nothing to do with gambling.

[flyingillini]

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[SlickFazzer]

I have followed and bought Iwinyourmoney's Whatsapp NBA text package for the last 9 years. It has turned me on average 67-71% a year.

IWin and MUG made a killing betting NBA totals back in the early years.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Repeat: Adam Trigger sucks.

The number of shows out there are way, way too much. Pure junk.

Another bad one = Bryan Leonard. Don't like this guy at all.

Guy who gets an A for Effort = Ralph Michaels. Guy does research and puts out some good content.

[Thrilla]

Matthew David McConaughey

[Natty68]

Vast majority are con men.....Cokin is one of the few I take seriously. He's pretty lethal at college football and bases and that's pretty much all I bet with the occasional NFL and NHL play thrown in.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Vast majority are con men.....Cokin is one of the few I take seriously. He's pretty lethal at college football and bases and that's pretty much all I bet with the occasional NFL and NHL play thrown in.

Salud, Natty. Nice post.

Yes, point of my thread was to point out that are a few Sharps in the tout community. In the case of Cokin/Fezzik, I'm sure they view it as extra money. As long as they put out good info, they should feel no moral dilemma.

I wanted to cover both ends of the spectrum in this thread. The guy that I'm hitting hard is Adam Trigger. Guys, don't give this guy a penny. His analysis is terrible. He's just throwing shit against the wall.

BTW, I think Stu Feiner and Dr Ron Bash were in a separate category. Stu/DrRon were so far over the top...that not even their blood relatives could possibly take them seriously. That said, they were more entertaining than almost anything I've seen on TV.