Why Charger going for 4 down but not kick a field goal in order to onside kick?

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  • tmoible
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 09-09-20
    • 512

    #1
    Why Charger going for 4 down but not kick a field goal in order to onside kick?
    Regardless the outcome 4 down if they fail,why they don’t kick a field goal and then onside kick ?Even though the 4down is touchdown I don’t really like this strategy.I guess if this game is playoff game or Super Bowl,I guarantee they won’t go 4down and kick a field goal and then onside kick,can anyone explain why regular game do but not playoff? If they kick 3 first I might keep my parly alive.
  • Easy-Rider 66
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    • 02-14-12
    • 36109

    #2
    Agreed
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    • tmoible
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 09-09-20
      • 512

      #3
      -3.5 point on Monday I should buy one point
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      • tmoible
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 09-09-20
        • 512

        #4
        Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
        Agreed
        I guess you lose
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        • Easy-Rider 66
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          • 02-14-12
          • 36109

          #5
          Originally posted by tmoible
          I guess you lose
          Nope I had LAC + the number thought when they missed the 3rd down throw I was basically Done in covering the 4. Pleasant surprise.
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          • Easy-Rider 66
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            • 02-14-12
            • 36109

            #6
            Originally posted by tmoible
            -3.5 point on Monday I should buy one point
            Yeah better to win less than take the risk on a backdoor cover. IMO.
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            • d2bets
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              • 08-10-05
              • 39995

              #7
              If the spread had been 7.5, they kick.
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              • Regul8er
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 11-06-07
                • 10666

                #8
                I dont know why they didnt kick it, but fack am I glad they didnt. Saved my +4 play!!
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                • mama whoiscrying
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 09-25-21
                  • 897

                  #9
                  They never used to do that kind of stuff and maybe they finally realized how stupid it is. Touchdown is the way to go. Again only in the last few years did they start kicking a field goal late and then try it on side kick. History has shown it's always been a touchdown 1st and that is the proper call
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                  • pologq
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-07-12
                    • 19899

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Regul8er
                    I dont know why they didnt kick it, but fack am I glad they didnt. Saved my +4 play!!
                    same here. saved my +3.5.

                    in a video game i would go for the FG. in real life i am doing what they did.
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                    • Rich Boy
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-01-09
                      • 9714

                      #11
                      Given time on clock and timeout situation also field position, I think TD was the right call.

                      Better odds of scoring a FG after an onside kick vs a TD from 45 yards out with <1min and 1 timeout

                      If it was 4th down outside the 10 yard line then they kick
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                      • d2bets
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                        • 08-10-05
                        • 39995

                        #12
                        Let me guesstimate:
                        4th and goal from the 6th = 40% (maybe less)
                        TD from the 45 in just over a minute = 25%
                        FG from the 45 in just over a minute = 50%

                        I'd say kicking is very slightly the better call, but it's close. Those are 3 variables to play with.
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                        • DrunkHorseplayer
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                          • 05-15-10
                          • 7719

                          #13
                          Keep in mind that the Chargers' coach isn't laying the points, he's taking them.
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                          • d2bets
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                            • 08-10-05
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                            Keep in mind that the Chargers' coach isn't laying the points, he's taking them.
                            I really don't think the Chargers coach is betting on the game. But he surely knows plenty of their fans are and he surely know the spread. If it's a close call, why not go for the cover.
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                            • jackpot269
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 09-24-07
                              • 12842

                              #15
                              Either way you need 2 scores
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                              • biggie12
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-30-05
                                • 13788

                                #16
                                Originally posted by d2bets
                                I really don't think the Chargers coach is betting on the game. But he surely knows plenty of their fans are and he surely know the spread. If it's a close call, why not go for the cover.
                                u really think the coach is thinking about this. He's just a moron.
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                                • mjsuax13
                                  Moderator
                                  • 03-14-15
                                  • 25095

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by d2bets
                                  Let me guesstimate:
                                  4th and goal from the 6th = 40% (maybe less)
                                  TD from the 45 in just over a minute = 25%
                                  FG from the 45 in just over a minute = 50%

                                  I'd say kicking is very slightly the better call, but it's close. Those are 3 variables to play with.
                                  Good stuff. 40%+ probably all I need.

                                  I take the 4 downs and go for the TD in that situation. Need 2 scores anyway. Even with an onside kick recovery there’s no guarantee you get that close again and most likely need a few shots downfield and a long 50/50 FG to tie. I wonder what this looked like in the Seattle/Denver game. Thanks for sharing.
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                                  • thetrinity
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-25-11
                                    • 22430

                                    #18
                                    Actually common sense. They wouldn’t have likely gotten that close even if they got an onside kick recovery. They would have been in a terrible position had they kicked a fg got the onside and then needed a td.
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                                    • JIBBBY
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 12-10-09
                                      • 83686

                                      #19
                                      They were to close to the end zone that's why they went for it on 4th down. Would have been to hard to get all the way down the field again with that little amount of time left. It was the right call.
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                                      • thetrinity
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-25-11
                                        • 22430

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by d2bets
                                        Let me guesstimate:
                                        4th and goal from the 6th = 40% (maybe less)
                                        TD from the 45 in just over a minute = 25%
                                        FG from the 45 in just over a minute = 50%

                                        I'd say kicking is very slightly the better call, but it's close. Those are 3 variables to play with.
                                        The TD after the onside has got to be less and the FG has got to be higher. This is a good analysis otherwise. Off chance they can win before OT once they got the td though as well.
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