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manfred continues to ruin baseball
so let's say the pen is not ready and "ducks-on-the-pond", the pitcher can just stand there for 2 minutes and that's the new intentional base on balls: 30 seconds per automatic ball. gives the pen more time to get ready
Baseball has always had pitchers with skills to pick runners off, they show a couple crappy moves, then unleash their best one. Now under the new manfred rule, they don't pick off the runner on the third try? its a free base
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this is going to lead to more arguments and more ejections. seems like 80% of hitters constantly step out of the box during an at bat. adjust their gloves, their grip, their helmet, you name it. now if they do not get thru their "superstitions" within 22 seconds, its an automatic strike
juan soto is "danny kaye" in the batter box. guy tap dances around for at least 20 seconds before getting ready to hit, he could lead the league in ejections next seasonComment -
I absolutely agree with you on the skills to pick off runners. That is absurd. That rule ruins part of the game. The pitcher controls the run game and should be allowed to throw over as many times as he wants in order to hold the runner on so he doesn't steal second base. That is part of a pitchers job. You now put the pitcher at a tremendous disadvantage.
I guess in next year's spring training slide steps will be the point of emphasis for all pitchers.
It's a shame. Is this all to get more scoring?Comment -
Stop making changes. The f'n game is fine. If you only have a 2 minute attention span and you want constant action, go to a horse race.Comment -
We've been discussing this no shift move for a while now, with scoring like it's been, and a recent juiced, then unjuiced, ball, just what are they going for as a competition committee?
There's been a shift to power hitting, for the most part, over the years with less a of an emphasis on base hits. I think they are trying to increase the base hits and batting averages.
HRs, power hitting, on base %, etc. aside, here's some batting average data from my office.
First are the 26 worst league wide batting averages over the last 100 years and 10 of those on this list were 2011 or later. Note that 2022 is third on the list...
Here are the league wide batting averages since 2000...League Wide Season Batting Avg 1968 0.237 1967 0.242 2022 0.243 1972 0.244 2021 0.244 2020 0.245 1963 0.246 1965 0.246 1969 0.248 2018 0.248 1966 0.249 1971 0.249 1964 0.25 2014 0.251 2019 0.252 1942 0.253 1952 0.253 2013 0.253 1970 0.254 1988 0.254 1989 0.254 2015 0.254 1960 0.255 1976 0.255 2011 0.255 2012 0.255
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Having computerized balls and strikes makes more sense than those rule changes.
I'm sick of 3-0 pitches out of the strike zone called strikes to drag out the at bats. (Same with 0-2 strikes called a ball.)Comment -
Baseball ruined
Nobody watches anymoreComment -
i agree that eliminating the shift is to increase averages, bring back scoring by singles and/or hitting into the hole. no more short field line outs when you pull the ball as a lefty, etc.
as for the pitcher, balls and strikes should have happened first. i am with bluehorse. eliminating the cat and mouse game for pick offs is very dumb and nevertheless you get a balk if the 3rd is unsuccessful. it is not like you would do it if you knew it would be unsuccessful so why punish the team on defense? the pick off is meant to keep players close to the bag, not always pick them off.Comment -
Lot of stress gonna be put on the stud on the bump now, probably a lot of HIGH scoring games next yearComment -
I guess this is to speed up the game? It will be interesting to see how it plays out.Comment -
Here's an idea: How about you get rid of the horrible, blind umps.Comment -
These are sure to put baseball back as America's #1 sportComment -
who cares- only watch baseball starting in September. the umps suck, new rules are terrible, etc. can't break up double plays anymore, can't take out the catcher, can't argue with the umps etc. game has become another pussy sport just like hockey along with our whole society. The woke has taken over!Comment -
Nothing on umpires......Comment -
Nope, umpires are still within their range for number of errors.
But we all know those errors have been egregious and worse than ever.
While we can measure how bad the errors are and we do for every pitch, the league doesn’t bother to look.
Of course they don’t.
There’s an entire thread around here somewhere with all kinds of examples of blatant bullshit.
They even have the nerve to toss out the managers that complain about obviously horrible calls. I feel like it was probably an Angel Hernandez thread lol but he looks like an angel compared to some of the others.Comment -
The pickoff rule stinks but the other two are sorely needed. The pitch clock is used at Las Vegas' AAA games and it eliminates those 3.5 - 4 hour games, even if the score is 13-11; the next step is to allow the pitcher, catcher or hitter to challenge a ball or strike call, which has also been used at a few of Las Vegas' games.Comment -
the best is the umps get away with bad calls all the time with no repercussions & you can't argue, get upset, etc.
they have pussified baseball in many aspects.Comment -
I used to love this game. Barely watchable for me these daysComment -
No shifts is good for the game. And the pitch clock will shorten games. A lot of people don't watch the games because it takes too long. The other day someone was getting a BJ at the bleachers because the pitcher was taking top long to pitch.Comment -
I agree they are ruining the sport I grew up loving and still love. I'm just a regular guy, I don't wear a watch because I like time. Time is our most valuable asset. With baseball the game could end in 2 hours or 6, I don't mind it all. You pay $20 for parking, $80 for a ticket. Game is usually 3 hours. We are talking about $33.33/hour. Well worth it. Not sure how having a pitch count helps the game go faster, when they'll probably be hundreds of reviews. The shifts I didn't mind to much, if the batter is smart he develops his game.manfred continues to ruin baseball so let's say the pen is not ready and "ducks-on-the-pond", the pitcher can just stand there for 2 minutes and that's the new intentional base on balls: 30 seconds per automatic ball. gives the pen more time to get ready
Baseball has always had pitchers with skills to pick runners off, they show a couple crappy moves, then unleash their best one. Now under the new manfred rule, they don't pick off the runner on the third try? its a free baseComment -
To combat the ban on shifts, they'll just move the Right Fielder way in to play between the First and Second Basemen. Center and Left Fielders will move a little towards Right Field. So the Shift will still live - just with the outfielders instead of the infielders.Comment -
Shifts were bs. Pitch clock I guess. If you have pitch clock then batters can't be asking for timeComment -
The shifts definitely need to stop.
You'd figure as a hitter you'd practice more in the offseason.... lay down a bunt. Or hit away from the shift. Million dollar athletes can't do simple things? lol Embarrassing.Comment -
banning shifts doesn't make any sense.... that's adjusting to your opponent and forcing them to adapt or improve their hitting range
i don't even watch mlbComment -
Possibly record steals.Originally posted by ern0909
Invest in speed guys. Maybe buy their baseball cards nowComment -
To me banning the shift seems ridiculous. Now we’re gonna have more rules about where each position has to stand. What if the first or third baseman wants to play behind the bag? No one can play up the middle of the infield if they want? I don’t know anything about it yet so I’m just firing off a potentially misguided post but to me like someone said earlier if a multimillion dollar player can’t deal with the shift and entire sides of the field being open with not a peanut or crackerjack in sight for miles then they’re the ones with the problem.Comment -
If you can’t figure out how to hit out of the shift aka just dropping a push bunt you are a retard
That said, this shit is so stupid
Manfred is actually the worst, enjoy alienating actual baseball fans
So what exactly defines a shift now? Are we gonna deal with reviews to check if it was a shift? Can you challenge a play to see if they were using a shift?
Oh well the Rays will figure out how to get around it, just sucksComment -
I can't understand the desire to eliminate defensive shifts. If a team is doing their homework and know where a guy is likely to hit the ball, why should they be penalized? That being said... the players can eliminate the shift tomorrow if they learn to hit the ball the other way like in the past. During the early days of covid, when MLB Network and ESPN showed games from the Nixon, Ford, Carter and Reagan adminstrations, it made me realize just how much hitting has cahnged.Comment -
I'm OK with the pitch clock thing, but the defensive shifts is just BS. A team should be able to deploy whatever defense they like for a given situation. If the scouting report shows that a given hitter always hits the ball to a certain area of the field on certain pitches, the defense should be able to take advantage of that knowledge. I don't care if they want to stack the entire defense to one side of the field and have half of them in the infield standing right next to the pitcher. What ever they want to do defensively should be allowed.Comment
