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  • EGrecu
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 09-15-21
    • 709

    #1
    Are there any tax experts here as it relates to crypto?
    If I receive crypto and buy giftcards with it, is it a taxable event?

    At that point, I'm not cashing it - I'm basically sending it to an outside wallet
  • JIBBBY
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-10-09
    • 83476

    #2
    Claim your profits and pay your taxes if you are up big. Just that simple. Can sleep better at night. Not the end of the world.

    IRS is so busy right now they won't even audit you if you are small time peanuts.
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    • EGrecu
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 09-15-21
      • 709

      #3
      Originally posted by JIBBBY
      Claim your profits and pay your taxes if you are up big. Just that simple. Can sleep better at night. Not the end of the world.

      IRS is so busy right now they won't even audit you if you are small time peanuts.

      i'm not small time peanuts. I make about 250K at my job and I'm up huge gambling
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      • Tanko
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 09-19-09
        • 5146

        #4
        I'm not an expert but I've done a little research on the topic. I use BTC below to be the same as any crypto.

        My assumption is you are approaching this to stay within the law. There are a number of things you can do to not pay taxes and possibly not be in trouble (if not audited), but they are not legal.



        If you receive BTC as a gift (up to ~$16k limits go up each year so check), the initial receipt is not taxable. If you sit on the BTC in your wallet, it is not taxable until you sell it. Once you sell it, you are required to report any gains or losses on the BTC (capital gains/losses on your taxes). The amount of tax you have to pay on gains varies with your income level and how long you held the BTC (long-term = > 1 yr or short-term < 1 yr). There might be other factors that impact the tax amount you would owe or not owe (e.g. was used to pay for higher education, etc...).


        If you are paid BTC for a job or a contest, you have to report the initial amount as income on your taxes. Then you still are dealing with the capital gains/losses (mentioned above) for any value change in the BTC once you sell it.

        Also realize, quite a few places (Coinbase for example) are now required to report any BTC transactions (total for the year) to the IRS. Just a heads up.

        I'm confident there will be others who are more educated on the topic that will chime in.
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        • texhooper
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-05-09
          • 10001

          #5
          Just keep gambling til you lose it
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          • gauchojake
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 09-17-10
            • 34131

            #6
            Lol this fukkin guy

            You make 250k go pay a fukkin EA or some shit.
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            • biggie12
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-30-05
              • 13794

              #7
              Why do you continue to embarrass yourself guy?
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              • johnnyvegas13
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 05-21-15
                • 27976

                #8
                U gotta keep saying I’m a millionaire no I’m not

                say it over and over

                that’s how the experts do it haha
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                • Seattle Slew
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 01-02-06
                  • 7373

                  #9
                  Turbo Tax and H&R Block tax software are great options and should put most accountants out of business. They are $50 or less and walk you thru every tax option.
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                  • gauchojake
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 09-17-10
                    • 34131

                    #10
                    Do they represent you in the event of an audit?
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                    • OldBill
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-02-21
                      • 6374

                      #11
                      Originally posted by gauchojake
                      Do they represent you in the event of an audit?

                      only if done in person not if done by you online but i never have trouble doing taxes my own after i write of costs i might only pay taxes on $2000 dunno how to record receipts online so i have to go in person to hr block or other

                      but might not have to as long as earn no more than $1350 a month which is ok cause i caollect SSD but i be done working by july investments coming in probably by end of 2022 like $10,000 a month

                      I be so happy to be from working for corparte happy to pay taxes get house redone top to bottom

                      every room even bathroom possibly cost about $75,000 insurance will not cover it all and i want every wall sealed with hard foam to stop mice coming in when others are doing work that cost about $3000

                      get new aplliances too oven fridge are way to old and get kitchen done right no it's not cheaper selling house as is n getting new one and pay who knows what monthly i already checked that out house is only worth about $120 K new one will cost over $250K moratge with interest rate say 6.5% about $2500 a month then higher insurance rate right now only about $140 a month

                      NEW rate will be $295 a month better to put out like $25,000 cash and insurance cover the rest

                      contractor get it done in two weeks which is my newphew he got whole new kitchen done even new fridge n freezer no out of pocket cost
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388208

                        #12
                        Grecu please seek a tax expert not a sbr clown
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                        • lonegambler23
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 06-22-16
                          • 9764

                          #13
                          Originally posted by EGrecu
                          If I receive crypto and buy giftcards with it, is it a taxable event?

                          At that point, I'm not cashing it - I'm basically sending it to an outside wallet
                          remember this guy has half a million in his gambling accts
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                          • JIBBBY
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 12-10-09
                            • 83476

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lonegambler23
                            remember this guy has half a million in his gambling accts
                            Oh is that the same clown? Right, a half million sitting in a BOL account and afraid to cash out. LOL. Broke clown show.
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                            • thomorino
                              Restricted User
                              • 06-01-17
                              • 46053

                              #15
                              Originally posted by EGrecu
                              If I receive crypto and buy giftcards with it, is it a taxable event?

                              At that point, I'm not cashing it - I'm basically sending it to an outside wallet
                              Of course its taxable. The athletes receiving their pay in bitcoin obviously still pay taxes.

                              Now if you hold crypto for 12 months or more and have a gain that gain is taxed at capital gains rates, which are much lower in most cases than ordinary income rates.
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                              • lonegambler23
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 06-22-16
                                • 9764

                                #16
                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                Oh is that the same clown? Right, a half million sitting in a BOL account and afraid to cash out. LOL. Broke clown show.
                                yet needs giftcards LMFAOOOOO
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                                • JIBBBY
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 12-10-09
                                  • 83476

                                  #17
                                  It must be story telling time again, all gather near..


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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388208

                                    #18
                                    You got to get an expert that specializes in bitcoin and taxes
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                                    • JIBBBY
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 12-10-09
                                      • 83476

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                      You got to get an expert that specializes in bitcoin and taxes
                                      JJ you're broke to ya bald jack ass! Neither of you clowns even file for taxes.

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                                      • clockwise1965
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 10-01-13
                                        • 6753

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                        It must be story telling time again, all gather near..


                                        No shit.. Bullshit thread.
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                                        • OldBill
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 11-02-21
                                          • 6374

                                          #21
                                          hey get donalds tax guys look he only paid $750 for millions income
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                                          • raiders72001
                                            Senior Member
                                            • 08-10-05
                                            • 11222

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by EGrecu
                                            i'm not small time peanuts. I make about 250K at my job and I'm up huge gambling
                                            Ask your CPA. If something's done wrong, then it's the accountant's fault.
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                                            • BeatTheJerk
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 08-19-07
                                              • 31802

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by EGrecu
                                              i'm not small time peanuts. I make about 250K at my job and I'm up huge gambling
                                              Jesus Christ you should put your life on YouTube to supplement your millions.
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                                              • raiders72001
                                                Senior Member
                                                • 08-10-05
                                                • 11222

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by gauchojake
                                                Do they represent you in the event of an audit?
                                                this. If you are making a substantial amount of money, pay for an accountant. Everyone making $250k is paying.
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                                                • texhooper
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 01-05-09
                                                  • 10001

                                                  #25
                                                  OldBill my lord…

                                                  Just kept typing away
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                                                  • stake1
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-19-18
                                                    • 18142

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by raiders72001
                                                    this. If you are making a substantial amount of money, pay for an accountant. Everyone making $250k is paying.
                                                    nothing to mess around with. crypto gains are income, so having a Cpa is critical
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                                                    • dustyy
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 12-08-17
                                                      • 2458

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by raiders72001
                                                      Ask your CPA. If something's done wrong, then it's the accountant's fault.
                                                      CPA compiles information given to them. They will advise you but unless they do a complete audit, you are on your own.
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                                                      • Arky
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                        • 1109

                                                        #28
                                                        As others have said, go find a CPA who knows crypto and pay him whatever he wants.

                                                        Keep notes of all your transactions in which you made capital gains.

                                                        I found a guy and he's with a reputable company. We spent two 2-hour sessions trying to make my crypto holdings work with a crypto tax software - Koinly.io We kept running into obvious bugs. After the 2nd session, he concluded that we should just go with my notes and he will calculate from that. I think he's going to get me in kinda cheap....

                                                        It's peace of mind that should an audit occur, I have someone in my corner who understands my situation. Like Jibby says, the IRS is swamped and way behind. They are not getting all the reinforcements they wanted. Audits are unlikely. If you have gotten crypto tax forms, the CPA will know how to deal with those.

                                                        If you are making bank, get a crypto CPA to cover you - it will be worth it.
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388208

                                                          #29
                                                          Gamblers cheap and cut corners this will not turn out well
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                                                          • chico2663
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 09-02-10
                                                            • 36993

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by EGrecu
                                                            If I receive crypto and buy giftcards with it, is it a taxable event?

                                                            At that point, I'm not cashing it - I'm basically sending it to an outside wallet
                                                            If you received anything from coin base you must report. Didn’t 7 yrs ago and got a letter from I.r.s. I have 23,000 in gains from this yr that I have to pay on. I funded my s.e.p 7000 to take it down. I have been audited 3 times through the yrs and won every case but it is a pain in the ass.
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                                                            • chico2663
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 09-02-10
                                                              • 36993

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                                              You got to get an expert that specializes in bitcoin and taxes
                                                              Wrong been doing my own and others since 1982.
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                                                              • chico2663
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 09-02-10
                                                                • 36993

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by OldBill
                                                                only if done in person not if done by you online but i never have trouble doing taxes my own after i write of costs i might only pay taxes on $2000 dunno how to record receipts online so i have to go in person to hr block or other

                                                                but might not have to as long as earn no more than $1350 a month which is ok cause i caollect SSD but i be done working by july investments coming in probably by end of 2022 like $10,000 a month

                                                                I be so happy to be from working for corparte happy to pay taxes get house redone top to bottom

                                                                every room even bathroom possibly cost about $75,000 insurance will not cover it all and i want every wall sealed with hard foam to stop mice coming in when others are doing work that cost about $3000

                                                                get new aplliances too oven fridge are way to old and get kitchen done right no it's not cheaper selling house as is n getting new one and pay who knows what monthly i already checked that out house is only worth about $120 K new one will cost over $250K moratge with interest rate say 6.5% about $2500 a month then higher insurance rate right now only about $140 a month

                                                                NEW rate will be $295 a month better to put out like $25,000 cash and insurance cover the rest

                                                                contractor get it done in two weeks which is my newphew he got whole new kitchen done even new fridge n freezer no out of pocket cost
                                                                Before this yr the most you could make was just under 900 .Biden raised it to I think 1250. Now if on S s di if you make more than 900 a month than you could do it on 7 times in a rolling 72 month period. If you went over and not report that you are working they can kick you off s.s. For the rest of your life. I know a lady it happened to.
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                                                                • raiders72001
                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                                  • 11222

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by dustyy
                                                                  CPA compiles information given to them. They will advise you but unless they do a complete audit, you are on your own.
                                                                  A CPA can always represent you if wanted.
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                                                                  • Fishhead
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 08-11-05
                                                                    • 40184

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                    Grecu please seek a tax expert not a sbr clown
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                                                                    • mjsuax13
                                                                      Moderator
                                                                      • 03-14-15
                                                                      • 24984

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by EGrecu
                                                                      i'm not small time peanuts. I make about 250K at my job and I'm up huge gambling
                                                                      Then you should have zero problem hiring an accountant. Jesus, go clean the snow off those used cars.
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