I just cannot see Gonzaga as the #1 team in America?

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  • ABEHONEST
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-27-09
    • 9470

    #1
    I just cannot see Gonzaga as the #1 team in America?
    Can you?
    This team was clobbered in it's last game. A shamefiul loss. Now with 3 looses, very close what many top 10 team's as records, but almost all, if not all, went through a more treacherous basketball campaign?
    Yet, they are still the darlings of the media and are chosen as the # 1 seed, and have been boosted by ESPN all season, which, no doubt has helped them reach this highest plateau before the season gears up to the finale.

    That SOS should matter, bigtime.
    Yet, it's not happening this year--maybe not even last year?

    If you know, if you will be headed straight for combat against a foreign power, you can make a decision to join the Marines, because, don't you think you'd be far better trained to fight, and also to survive, if you passed up joining the Army?

    That's called being in the company of proven fighter forces and has been know to be the toughest fighting force in America all the way back to WW2, close to 80 yeatrs ago.

    Gonzaga, now, must prove they are tough enough even though they've been battling against Army type competion for almost their entire season. Especially now, when these battles will became more volatile, the final 30 days before there real War starts.
  • stevenash
    Moderator
    • 01-17-11
    • 65598

    #2
    Top overall one seed?
    No.

    Do they deserve a top line in one of the four regions?
    Yes
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    • Ian
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 11-09-09
      • 6074

      #3
      I know next to nothing about CBB, but kenpom has them ranked #1. All 3 of their losses came on the road or at neutral sites against top 20 teams (by kenpom rankings). I would think those factors would count for something.
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      • stevenash
        Moderator
        • 01-17-11
        • 65598

        #4
        Originally posted by Ian
        I know next to nothing about CBB, but kenpom has them ranked #1. All 3 of their losses came on the road or at neutral sites against top 20 teams (by kenpom rankings). I would think those factors would count for something.
        They do.

        However they beat up on a mid-major conference.
        After you get past the top three teams in the WCC the rest of that league is pretty bad.
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        • pilebuck13
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 05-15-15
          • 17918

          #5
          They are defined by other metrics due to the fact there conference is so terrible that being said do I see them beating a auburn? No.
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          • flyingillini
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 12-06-06
            • 41219

            #6
            They had their chance last year. They will never win it.
            המוסד‎
            המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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            • DrunkHorseplayer
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 05-15-10
              • 7719

              #7
              Originally posted by Ian
              I know next to nothing about CBB, but kenpom has them ranked #1. All 3 of their losses came on the road or at neutral sites against top 20 teams (by kenpom rankings). I would think those factors would count for something.
              They were only 3-3 against ranked treams, that isn't deserving of a number one ranking.
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              • pilebuck13
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 05-15-15
                • 17918

                #8
                Originally posted by flyingillini
                They had their chance last year. They will never win it.
                They have had many chances to be honest the whole March madness shit gets old it seems the same old story lines year in year out
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                • d2bets
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 39995

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ABEHONEST
                  Can you?
                  This team was clobbered in it's last game. A shamefiul loss. Now with 3 looses, very close what many top 10 team's as records, but almost all, if not all, went through a more treacherous basketball campaign?
                  Yet, they are still the darlings of the media and are chosen as the # 1 seed, and have been boosted by ESPN all season, which, no doubt has helped them reach this highest plateau before the season gears up to the finale.

                  That SOS should matter, bigtime.
                  Yet, it's not happening this year--maybe not even last year?

                  If you know, if you will be headed straight for combat against a foreign power, you can make a decision to join the Marines, because, don't you think you'd be far better trained to fight, and also to survive, if you passed up joining the Army?

                  That's called being in the company of proven fighter forces and has been know to be the toughest fighting force in America all the way back to WW2, close to 80 yeatrs ago.

                  Gonzaga, now, must prove they are tough enough even though they've been battling against Army type competion for almost their entire season. Especially now, when these battles will became more volatile, the final 30 days before there real War starts.
                  Who would you rank #1? I assume Arizona?
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                  • pavyracer
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-12-07
                    • 82839

                    #10
                    Does anyone remember who was the #1 team in America before the March Madness started in 1999 or 2008? No.

                    But everyone remembers the NCAA chanmpion of 1999 and 2008.

                    Focus on who will win the championship and not who is #1 in a bogus poll.
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                    • stevenash
                      Moderator
                      • 01-17-11
                      • 65598

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                      Focus on who will win the championship and not who is #1 in a bogus poll.
                      UConn.

                      Tough as nails rock solid defense.
                      Shot blockers every where you look.
                      Huskies have scorers, and very good guard play too.

                      Huskies at 40:1.
                      Book it.
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                      • ABEHONEST
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 06-27-09
                        • 9470

                        #12
                        Originally posted by d2bets
                        Who would you rank #1? I assume Arizona?
                        Not even a genius knows? But there simply cannot be a #1 this year, to be frank and honest, too.

                        I say pick the top 4 and that number 1 is in there somewhere?
                        Baylor, Auburn, Arizona, and #4, you tell me?
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                        • d2bets
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 08-10-05
                          • 39995

                          #13
                          Originally posted by stevenash
                          UConn.

                          Tough as nails rock solid defense.
                          Shot blockers every where you look.
                          Huskies have scorers, and very good guard play too.

                          Huskies at 40:1.
                          Book it.
                          I'm seeing 70-1.
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                          • jjgold
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #14
                            Strange game tonight with SF Dons
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                            • stake1
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-19-18
                              • 18116

                              #15
                              Going for the clean sweep. golden has some guards that can play, could keep it interesting for awhile
                              then the Zags will go on one their classic 14-0 runs and put Sf away
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                              • Mackballs
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 12-01-16
                                • 5810

                                #16
                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                UConn.

                                Tough as nails rock solid defense.
                                Shot blockers every where you look.
                                Huskies have scorers, and very good guard play too.

                                Huskies at 40:1.
                                Book it.
                                They certainly are Rick solid defensively and punk teams on the glass. However, they certainly do not have "scorers" everywhere. They're best scorer is an undersized pg who you can scheme for pretty easily if you have larger more athletic guards. Sanogo is still very inconsistent, though solid when he's on, it's just still to easy to take him completely out of games with bigger defenders down low. He can disappear for long stretches and find himself in foul trouble as well. I don't trust their guards outside if Cole. Martin is the glue guy but he's not a traditional wing, hes more of a point forward that kinda does it all. Gaffney is horrid and has been since he arrived on campus. Jackson is a freak athlete who is addicted to making the wrong decisions at the worst times. Hawkins is timid still, but he's gotten more assertive later in the year and he's got the most potential of anyone on the team, just don't know if he makes another significant stride this year.

                                I have a piece of them at 80/1 but they could be out first round if they get a shitty matchup.
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                                • A Quant
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 05-14-18
                                  • 1357

                                  #17
                                  There is no singular great team.

                                  There are a bunch of good teams, capable of beating one another.

                                  It won't be easy picking a winner this year.
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                                  • MinnesotaFats
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-18-10
                                    • 14758

                                    #18
                                    You can't stop Holmgren

                                    1- he's from Minny

                                    2- 7'1" and can dribble

                                    3- 63% field

                                    4- 44% 3s

                                    5- 10 reb, 5 block per game

                                    Zags automatically going to F4, from there ONLY a BIG10 team can beat them
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                                    • johnnyvegas13
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                                      • 05-21-15
                                      • 27897

                                      #19
                                      This years team worse than last years imo
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                                      • MinnesotaFats
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-18-10
                                        • 14758

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by johnnyvegas13
                                        This years team worse than last years imo
                                        Suggs, from Minny too!

                                        Hard to compare squads due to Covid bs but Suggs isn't the #1 overall pick
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                                        • stake1
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-19-18
                                          • 18116

                                          #21
                                          Zags will make the final 4. without seeing the brackets, Zags vs Coach Cal’s boys for all the glory
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                                          • ABEHONEST
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 06-27-09
                                            • 9470

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                            You can't stop Holmgren

                                            1- he's from Minny

                                            2- 7'1" and can dribble

                                            3- 63% field

                                            4- 44% 3s

                                            5- 10 reb, 5 block per game

                                            Zags automatically going to F4, from there ONLY a BIG10 team can beat them
                                            But, but, my pal Fats, he was standing on the sidelines with his eyes looking as if he wasn't aware they just got their heads handed to them. In denial, I believe?
                                            He better not get shut down like that again this year.
                                            He's still a freshman and there is a good possibility he could have suffered some real confidence sag after this game?
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                                            • ABEHONEST
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 06-27-09
                                              • 9470

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by stake1
                                              Zags will make the final 4. without seeing the brackets, Zags vs Coach Cal’s boys for all the glory
                                              I have doubts, Stake, I worry about those two-doubles under the basket? If one falters much at all, they are gone.
                                              Both are like having two achille heels under the basket. You have to worry a lot.
                                              The defense comp under the rim is soon coming.
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                                              • dark star
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 01-04-09
                                                • 3900

                                                #24
                                                Every time I think of Gonzaga playing a big time program with great athletes a Baylor dunk comes to mind
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                                                • teecee
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-18-09
                                                  • 6298

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by d2bets
                                                  Who would you rank #1? I assume Arizona?
                                                  Whoever wins/won Big 12
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                                                  • teecee
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-18-09
                                                    • 6298

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                                    UConn.

                                                    Tough as nails rock solid defense.
                                                    Shot blockers every where you look.
                                                    Huskies have scorers, and very good guard play too.

                                                    Huskies at 40:1.
                                                    Book it.
                                                    I like them about as much as I like Ohio State, which is to say, I like them very little. Good luck with your future though. I will have no skin in any of these games.
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                                                    • lonegambler23
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 06-22-16
                                                      • 9760

                                                      #27
                                                      zagzzzz
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                                                      • ABEHONEST
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 06-27-09
                                                        • 9470

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by lonegambler23
                                                        zagzzzz
                                                        I think my jinxing powers kicked in?
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                                                        • stevenash
                                                          Moderator
                                                          • 01-17-11
                                                          • 65598

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by teecee
                                                          I like them about as much as I like Ohio State, which is to say, I like them very little. Good luck with your future though. I will have no skin in any of these games.
                                                          All good.
                                                          I'm expecting a Big East team to step up in a wide open tournament.
                                                          Like a Villanova or UConn.
                                                          You're not going to beat the Huskies down low, no way no how, and they'll frustrate teams that shoot from distance.

                                                          It'll be fun.
                                                          Why UConn?
                                                          Why not UConn?
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                                                          • ABEHONEST
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 06-27-09
                                                            • 9470

                                                            #30
                                                            How did SF only lose 8 games this season?
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                                                            • ABEHONEST
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 06-27-09
                                                              • 9470

                                                              #31
                                                              Oh, I see now, both teams are playing for a middle tonight. Now we know that could never happen.
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                                                              • johnnyvegas13
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                                                                • 05-21-15
                                                                • 27897

                                                                #32
                                                                Collapse late vs USF lol

                                                                this team won’t go past sweet 15
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                                                                • ABEHONEST
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-27-09
                                                                  • 9470

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Thank you.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Zags average
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