Why was Buffalo rushing 4 players on the pass to Kelce with about 8 seconds left?

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  • Easy-Rider 66
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    • 02-14-12
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    #1
    Why was Buffalo rushing 4 players on the pass to Kelce with about 8 seconds left?
    Makes no sense there. Time is your friend. Let Mahomes sit back and burn the clock with time to throw. Rush 2 to 3 at most and clog up the passing lanes. Don't understand the logic there?
  • ChuckyTheGoat
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    #2
    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
    Makes no sense there. Time is your friend. Let Mahomes sit back and burn the clock with time to throw. Rush 2 to 3 at most and clog up the passing lanes. Don't understand the logic there?
    You're right. Romo said the same.

    Maybe even 2-man rush. With time/Distance, you could effectively turn it into a Hail Mary situation, w/ no time left for a 2nd play.

    There were defenders much deeper than Kelce, so there was a soft zone to run into. Bad.
    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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    • Art Vandelay
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      • 09-11-06
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      #3
      Worse yet why kickoff into the end zone! Football 101 - Make them return it and burn 6-7 seconds. Mahomes would have had less than 10 seconds to work... Brutal decision!
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      • Easy-Rider 66
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        #4
        Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
        You're right. Romo said the same.

        Maybe even 2-man rush. With time/Distance, you could effectively turn it into a Hail Mary situation, w/ no time left for a 2nd play.

        There were defenders much deeper than Kelce, so there was a soft zone to run into. Bad.
        Yeah agreed Chuck. good point.
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        • Eddy Munny
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          #5
          Hell you could rush 2, drop 9... Have guys jam receivers at the line of scrimmage and have safety nets all over the field. If Mahomes pulls it down and runs, so be it, let the clock bleed. There's any number of ways they could have played it other than giving KC's two best weapons green pastures galore.
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          • ChuckyTheGoat
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            #6
            Originally posted by Art Vandelay
            Worse yet why kickoff into the end zone! Football 101 - Make them return it and burn 6-7 seconds. Mahomes would have had less than 10 seconds to work... Brutal decision!
            Good one, Art. Allen had to think the game was over.

            You are 100% correct. This was bad. But all these coaches are geniuses, right?
            Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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            • Easy-Rider 66
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              #7
              Originally posted by Art Vandelay
              Worse yet why kickoff into the end zone! Football 101 - Make them return it and burn 6-7 seconds. Mahomes would have had less than 10 seconds to work... Brutal decision!
              I guess if BUFF kicked it short or a squib kick they would have called a fair catch or kneeled down. But good point as well.
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              • tmoible
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                • 09-09-20
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                #8
                You can not predict what consequences after happen and regret,but at that point,I agree should squib kick waste more time,if a miracle touchdown beat you,then beat you,don’t even give up13 seconds on the o’clock for a field goal
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                • hehfest
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                  • 09-28-08
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eddy Munny
                  Hell you could rush 2, drop 9... Have guys jam receivers at the line of scrimmage and have safety nets all over the field. If Mahomes pulls it down and runs, so be it, let the clock bleed. There's any number of ways they could have played it other than giving KC's two best weapons green pastures galore.

                  The most logical point. Bump every WR you can at the line of scrimmage by rushing only 2, etc. Put all nickel and dime backs in the game too so you're not worried about a LB covering Tyreek Hill.

                  In all seriousness, you're not a football coach and you figured out the obvious on how dumb it was to allow a kick that close in. We always scratch our heads as to how this stuff happens because none of us are coaches but this shit is common sense.

                  I wonder how many LB's and DL were in the game for those last plays by KC before OT?
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                  • Orbison
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                    #10
                    Leslie Frazier
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                    • ChuckyTheGoat
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Orbison
                      Leslie Frazier
                      Orby, remember when he blew out his knee in the Super Bowl? Would have been a great DB.
                      Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                      • Eddy Munny
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                        • 08-13-13
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by hehfest
                        The most logical point. Bump every WR you can at the line of scrimmage by rushing only 2, etc. Put all nickel and dime backs in the game too so you're not worried about a LB covering Tyreek Hill.

                        In all seriousness, you're not a football coach and you figured out the obvious on how dumb it was to allow a kick that close in. We always scratch our heads as to how this stuff happens because none of us are coaches but this shit is common sense.

                        I wonder how many LB's and DL were in the game for those last plays by KC before OT?
                        For sure, I'd only want two legitimate linemen in there and the rest be DB's. You could even throw Diggs out there on defense if you're thin at the position. He's athletic enough to cover guys and can obviously make a play on the ball.
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                        • Orbison
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                          Orby, remember when he blew out his knee in the Super Bowl? Would have been a great DB.
                          there will be a lot of happy Bills fans if the Bears hire him
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                          • ChuckyTheGoat
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Orbison
                            there will be a lot of happy Bills fans if the Bears hire him
                            Yes, Orby. Bill fans would love to see him gone.

                            I rarely say this. But I'm heart-broken for the Charger and Bill players. And of course, for their fans:

                            *The Charger HC should have figured out what was going on at the end of the Raider game. Stuff the run, BOTH teams want the clock to bleed out. At least you make the playoffs, where you've shown you can hang w/ teams like Kan City.

                            *Allen and the Bill mafia are celebrating after the score. Sure, it was pre-mature. It's simply a matter of Time and Space. Figure out a better strategy to bleed out that clock.

                            I'm guessing that Frazier told his DBs "Don't get beat deep." At least two DBs were playing 30 yards off the ball! They could have played a defense where they literally forced Mahomes to throw a 60-yard Hail Mary.
                            Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                            • Wrongside
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                              • 09-26-15
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                              #15
                              4 man rush is no man's land in that situation....I would rather rush 2 or three, or even, five or six, but not four....

                              Frazier and Raheem really blew it today....Bowles and Spagnolo were not great either...
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                              • NardVa
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                                • 10-02-07
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                Makes no sense there. Time is your friend. Let Mahomes sit back and burn the clock with time to throw. Rush 2 to 3 at most and clog up the passing lanes. Don't understand the logic there?
                                Because on a 3 man rush the lanes are wide open and Mahomes takes off for 20 to 25 to get in FG range with a timeout to burn.
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                                • mtofell
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                                  • 09-21-13
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by hehfest
                                  We always scratch our heads as to how this stuff happens because none of us are coaches but this shit is common sense.
                                  Yeah, after the fact it seems so obvious but things like this happen time and time again. LOL.... I guess this is where the whole, "Monday morning QB" thing comes from. I mean, the coaches are the best of the best but do seem to F things up A LOT. I suppose it's just, "heat of the moment" type stuff. I agree it's frustrating but (the best) coaches just do stupid shit week after week so I guess this is just the best it can be.
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                                  • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by NardVa
                                    Because on a 3 man rush the lanes are wide open and Mahomes takes off for 20 to 25 to get in FG range with a timeout to burn.
                                    No way. He would have burnt out the clock.

                                    Even if you allowed Mahomes to complete to the 43...the kicker would have had to make a 60-yarder. If he did that, I'd tip my cap.

                                    Those yards in between the hashes were too ez. Not like Kelce is a likely target, right?

                                    Sorry, this was lame. Not 2nd guess, 1st guess. Frazier blew it.
                                    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                    • nyplayer33
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                                      • 09-27-06
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                                      #19
                                      Squib kick was a must there
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                                      • jjgold
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                                        • 07-20-05
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                                        #20
                                        worst defensive coaching I ever saw

                                        this loser will get a head coaching job too
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                                        • Wrongside
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                                          • 09-26-15
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                                          #21
                                          I would have had 9 db/linebackers, had two of them hold at the line of scrimmage, one hold Kelce, the other hold Tyreke, run bracket and zone.

                                          I don't believe they put time back on the clock for a defensive penalty, do they?? (obviously, you can't end game on a defensive penalty)...Totally worth a five yard penalty....

                                          I bet you Chiefs are practicing how to hold Chase this week, if a similar situation arises...
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                                          • JIBBBY
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                                            • 12-10-09
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                                            #22
                                            Bills secondary couldn't cover anyone so they decided to drop more players back which still back fired. Chiefs receivers were running free. Bills secondary had no answers and just simply were horrible.
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                                            • Wrongside
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                              Bills secondary couldn't cover anyone so they decided to drop more players back which still back fired. Chiefs receivers were running free. Bills secondary had no answers and just simply were horrible.
                                              Ya, this is why I wanted the Bengals to play the Bills. I watched less than five minutes of this game (first half) and I said that Dane Jackson guy is a fish out of water, I'd attack him all day...Yes, there DB's were terrible, but there is still a way to play defense there with crappy DB's and not let that happen...
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                                              • Otters27
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                                                #24
                                                Squib kick probably would have won the game
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                                                • Eddy Munny
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Otters27
                                                  Squib kick probably would have won the game
                                                  Everyone keeps saying this, but if the ball pops up in the air you can fair catch it. If the ball flutters along the ground, you can kneel it, and the clock doesn't actually start until the ball is touched. So in the first case, no time would elapse, in the second case maybe one second.

                                                  I'm all for at least trying to squib it, but it doesn't guarantee the outcome. It all depends how the Chiefs play it out.
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                                                  • Eddy Munny
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                    Bills secondary couldn't cover anyone so they decided to drop more players back which still back fired. Chiefs receivers were running free. Bills secondary had no answers and just simply were horrible.
                                                    Tre'Davious White's absence caught up with the Bills. But then again, so did Mathieu's for KC.
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                                                    • seaborneq
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                                                      #27
                                                      Base defense with man coverage would have done better. KC wasn’t trying to go over the top of the defense. Linebackers dropping into coverage would have done better. But what wouldn’t work is what Buffalo actually did by not having anyone on the line of scrimmage and 15 yards back.
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                                                      • nyplayer33
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                                                        #28
                                                        Players play the game and the iq of these guys is bad. They rather look cool then win...word
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                                                        • Wrongside
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                                                          #29
                                                          So many guys in the NFL, especially linebackers fail to understand that even in zone, you have to be looking to guard a man in a space, not a space with men in it...Don't guard grass, find work...especially if Kelce is anywhere near you...
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                                                          • johnnyvegas13
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                                                            #30
                                                            What about not squib kicking

                                                            really slot of what if this gm
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                                                            • Eddy Munny
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by johnnyvegas13
                                                              What about not squib kicking

                                                              really slot of what if this gm
                                                              There's a lot of slots in Vegas.
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                                                              • Eddy Munny
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                                                                #32
                                                                Honestly Buffalo could've done anything except for what they actually did.
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                                                                • seaborneq
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Eddy Munny
                                                                  Honestly Buffalo could've done anything except for what they actually did.
                                                                  Yes indeed. 1,000 ways to die. The Bills combined the first 999.
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                                                                  • seaborneq
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                                                                    Orby, remember when he blew out his knee in the Super Bowl? Would have been a great DB.
                                                                    Leslie Frazier was a DB?? He looks really tall. I was thinking a DL.
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                                                                    • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by seaborneq
                                                                      Leslie Frazier was a DB?? He looks really tall. I was thinking a DL.
                                                                      One of the few young players on a veteran Defense. Check out this catch:



                                                                      Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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