Kellen Moore called the QB run

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 09:40 PM

It was only botched because Dak handed the rock to a teammate instead of a zebra, otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about it... Cowboys would've had one play from about the 25 yard line to end the game.

seaborneq · 01-16-22, 09:41 PM

Handing the ball to the ref?? Dallas didn’t have a pass play for that defense. Niners could have let Dak run all the way to the 10 yard line and tackle him and still had room to spare. That play was what the Niners wanted them to do.

spro23 · 01-16-22, 09:43 PM

He got too greedy with the run. Instead of taking 10-15 and going down he kept running until they closed in on him. Trying to squeeze another 5 yards was unnecessary

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Handing the ball to the ref?? Dallas didn’t have a pass play for that defense. Niners could have let Dak run all tge way to the 10 yard line and tackle him and still had room to spare.

That's why you slide to kill the play.

seaborneq · 01-16-22, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

That's why you slide to kill the play.

Sliding kills the play. Not the clock. No need to ever run that play when the clock is against you without a time out.

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Sliding kills the play. Not the clock. No need to ever run that play when the clock is against you without a time out.

No kidding bro, it was a calculated decision, he was never going to "run to the 10 yard line" as you put it. The objective was to get closer to the end zone for a final play. It was poorly executed. That's the only reason it's up for debate. Had it been properly executed there would've been a final play from the 25 yard line.

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 09:57 PM

If Dak lets the umpire spot the ball, there would've been time for a spike, but he didn't, and there wasn't... poor execution.

It's no different than had a pass play been called and the left tackle gets blown up and Dak gets sacked, nobody's blaming the play call in that scenario, they're blaming poor execution.

Seattle Slew · 01-16-22, 10:00 PM

Moore will flame out wherever he goes. I don't get the hype.

asiagambler · 01-16-22, 10:02 PM

Bad play call

14 seconds should be enough time for 3 plays

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

Bad play call

14 seconds should be enough time for 3 plays

Sure, if they're all 40 yard heaves to the end zone and the first two aren't intercepted or sacked.

Niners were squeezing the boundary.

johnnyvegas13 · 01-16-22, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Seattle Slew

Moore will flame out wherever he goes. I don't get the hype.

Me neither he isn’t that good

cowboys just act like he is

clockwise1965 · 01-16-22, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by MinnesotaFats

Moore called it

In post-game, asked about the play, McCarthy said that "Handing the ball to the red is part of it"

Well...how does this impact Moores HC options? I kinda want him in Minny...

It would be a good hire. Vikings need a young offensive minded coach.

Mr KLC · 01-16-22, 10:25 PM

thomorino · 01-16-22, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

If Dak lets the umpire spot the ball, there would've been time for a spike, but he didn't, and there wasn't... poor execution.

It's no different than had a pass play been called and the left tackle gets blown up and Dak gets sacked, nobody's blaming the play call in that scenario, they're blaming poor execution.

It was a dumb play call, the 49ers were letting the Cowboys get 15-20 yards throwing even with the Cowboys getting out of bounds.

Even if Dak executes the play properly and had the ball to the official right away they would be lucky to get another play off, it would have been very close. It was totally unnecessary, they could have just thrown the ball 15-20 yards on the sidelines and likely have had more time.

asiagambler · 01-16-22, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

Sure, if they're all 40 yard heaves to the end zone and the first two aren't intercepted or sacked.

Niners were squeezing the boundary.

And you could also get a PI called. Lots of things can happen (though sack isn't likely since they're probably not rushing more than 3 or 4) but running the ball like that and you have to be perfect just to have a chance to get another play

Not to mention you're more likely to have a false start/illegal formation penalty called which would have ended the game with a 10 second runoff

I would take my chances throwing it anywhere

Bad play call

thomorino · 01-16-22, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by MinnesotaFats

Moore called it

In post-game, asked about the play, McCarthy said that "Handing the ball to the red is part of it"

Well...how does this impact Moores HC options? I kinda want him in Minny...

Moore is garbage, the Cowboys offense is loaded with talent. Zimmer was the right guy for the job, no one could have won in Minnesota this year with Hunter and Griffin getting hurt. The Vikings issues has never been Zimmer.

pavyracer · 01-16-22, 10:59 PM

Who are they going to throw a Hail Mary in the end zone? They don't have a receiver taller than 6 feet or can jump high enough to catch it.

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

It was a dumb play call, the 49ers were letting the Cowboys get 15-20 yards throwing even with the Cowboys getting out of bounds.

Even if Dak executes the play properly and had the ball to the official right away they would be lucky to get another play off, it would have been very close. It was totally unnecessary, they could have just thrown the ball 15-20 yards on the sidelines and likely have had more time.

Sure, everyone's a genius in hindsight.

The Niners were squeezing the boundary, there wasn't gonna be any quick outs to the sideline, that's why the middle was wide open and why the Cowboys decided to steal a chunk. Had they opted for a pass over the middle, it would've resulted in the same mad scramble to the line to spike the ball, and there's no guarantee that the pass gets completed, or that Dak doesn't get sacked in the first place. Running Dak up the middle is a surefire way to get those 10-15 yards to set up the final play (or so they thought).

No matter how you shake it up, you need 40 yards in 14 seconds with no timeouts... You're losing that 99 times out of 100 regardless of how sharp your situational playcalling is.

thomorino · 01-16-22, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

Sure, everyone's a genius in hindsight.

The Niners were squeezing the boundary, there wasn't gonna be any quick outs to the sideline, that's why the middle was wide open and why the Cowboys decided to steal a chunk. Had they opted for a pass over the middle, it would've resulted in the same mad scramble to the line to spike the ball, and there's no guarantee that the pass gets completed, or that Dak doesn't get sacked in the first place. Running Dak up the middle is a surefire way to get those 10-15 yards to set up the final play (or so they thought).

No matter how you shake it up, you need 40 yards in 14 seconds with no timeouts... You're losing that 99 times out of 100 regardless of how sharp your situational playcalling is.

Its obviously a bad situation to be in, but the problem with your analysis is the refs are expecting a hail mary, they aren't in position to spot the ball soon enough to run a play. The refs are expecting a hail mary, they aren't in the middle of the field.

Eddy Munny · 01-16-22, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

Its obviously a bad situation to be in, but the problem with your analysis is the refs are expecting a hail mary, they aren't in position to spot the ball soon enough to run a play. The refs are expecting a hail mary, they aren't in the middle of the field.

I'm pretty confident if Dak didn't mishandle the ball, they would've had a final play. They almost spiked it in time even with the mistake.

floridagolfer · 01-16-22, 11:45 PM

With 14 seconds to go, you have to be able to run more than one play. The Cowboys got what they deserved.

On the bright side, if Jerry Jones is PO'd, I'm happy.

thomorino · 01-16-22, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

I'm pretty confident if Dak didn't mishandle the ball, they would've had a final play. They almost spiked it in time even with the mistake.

Given that it is obviously a debate over whether or not the Cowboys would get to run a second play, it was the wrong call. There are far easier ways to get close enough to make a throw to the end zone then what they did.

Goat Milk · 01-17-22, 04:50 PM

Niners are a better team, they have better players, kittle was not even needed and he's one of the top 5 players in that entire game, guy blocks like an o lineman and runs routes like a wr.

Never underestimate the dirty work when it comes to football, and who's willing to do it. Dallas players all want to get pick 6s and score on a 50 yard bomb. None of them want to grind.

seaborneq · 01-17-22, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Niners are a better team, they have better players, kittle was not even needed and he's one of the top 5 players in that entire game, guy blocks like an o lineman and runs routes like a wr.

Never underestimate the dirty work when it comes to football, and who's willing to do it. Dallas players all want to get pick 6s and score on a 50 yard bomb. None of them want to grind.

Agreed. Good analysis. Dallas didn’t have the best coach, roster, or game plan. Probably not even the best QB. Niners dominated the game. It should never have come down to Dallas having a chance to win.