Our precious basketball has evolved too far with the same rules

[Roger T. Bannon]

Sports are played for the moron audience. If you are watching, you are the intended audience. They have removed every rule that allows for strategy because the kids like video game version better.

[d2bets]

Move the 3 line back 2 feet and add a 4 point line another 4 feet back.

[unde0087]

Fundamentals would go up 900% if kids stopped watching NBA players because they travel, double dribble, and carry the ball on damn near every possession. Especially the "superstars". The league is a bunch of clowns. Imagine if refs actually reffed the games. These guys would actually have to start playing basketball again.

[Roger T. Bannon]

You could just make the college 3-pointer the NBA line and it would be good enough. College kids can't shoot anyway.

For the pros, just get rid of the 3-pointer. It is too easy now. But fans would be outraged. The 3-pointer is the most popular rule ever put in basketball. People want more, not less.

The 3-pointer was pretty cool back in the day. The college line has always been a joke. High school girls could hit the college three-pointer.

You either watch it or you don't. I don't watch it and never missed it.

[ABEHONEST]

Move the 3 line back 2 feet and add a 4 point line another 4 feet back.

Wow, I thought I has some radical views?
So we have a shoot-out at The O.K. Carrol?

[ABEHONEST]

You could just make the college 3-pointer the NBA line and it would be good enough. College kids can't shoot anyway.

For the pros, just get rid of the 3-pointer. It is too easy now. But fans would be outraged. The 3-pointer is the most popular rule ever put in basketball. People want more, not less.

The 3-pointer was pretty cool back in the day. The college line has always been a joke. High school girls could hit the college three-pointer.

You either watch it or you don't. I don't watch it and never missed it.

Yeah, so was the first brew of alcohol. See wut it did for us humans?

[stevenash]

Move the 3 point lines to 28 feet

The three point shot for all intents and purposes eliminated the mid range jump shot.
I mean why take a mid range jumper for two points when you can move back a few feet and essentially take the same shot for three points.

[ABEHONEST]

I did not say that. I said they would become more valuable.

Right now, the difference in shooting percentage between a dunk and an 8 to 16' jump shot is about 48% from the most recent data on nbasavant (41% to 89%) (if we look at all years and not only the most recent one, the difference is 51%, 40% to 91%). That is why it is a shot a team always wants to take if they can. If the rims were raised, chance of making any shot -- dunk, layup, jumper, 3 -- would decrease. That should be pretty obvious. The only question is if the chance of making a dunk attempt would go down by more than those other shots. If those 8 to 16' jump shots go from 41% shots to 32%, while dunks go from 89% to 84%, then it is clear the value of dunks went up.

Now if a three-point shot becomes a 2.5, it would be only 25% more valuable, instead of 50% more valuable -- it's premium is effectively cut in half. And with a higher rim making it even harder, teams will not be looking for it nearly as much as they do now. Since they aren't looking to shoot a 3, which shot are they going to look for every time down the court? Will it be the mid-range shot with a 30 to 40% chance, or the one with an 80 to 90% chance?

TommieG, I am looking at your stats above more seriously than your other ideas.
The 2-1/2 will have to go hand in hand with the rim going up [inches, ?], really questionable at this time, we know it's got to go up for both, college and the NBA.
Let's say we move college ball up 3-inches, along with the 2-1/2 change, too?
This is my favorite scenario, and so what, I am trying to save the fundamentas of basketball and make the game much more interesting, where, a top ranked team would, many times, have their hands full when they meet a truly solid fundamental team.

That, is what is needed today and the 3-dominating shot, I say is using 2/5 % of the game, thinking about the 3, trying to set the 3 up, or actually shooting a 3, and whether you hit or miss, it puts too much power into the single shooter's hands.
Meaning, hey, we could have other players looking for a pass or an assist. This game of today has become a 3-point shooting contest. You enjoy that? And the other 2/5 % is dunking. Thinking about it or actually making the attempt.
So, in my mind, we have 1/5 of the time to use the other needed skills. Assists, steals, penetrating to the basket.
I could be a few fractions with my math on this scenario I present, but very close, I say?

Sure , if you have the top shooters available, but even then, they would not have enormous power of todya's basketball, if we cut that rim height?
The dunk domination: Hey, let's get real, what are we seeing in todays baskeytball? Dunks/Threes.
The other skills are now put on the backburner.

The 2-1/2 and the 3 inch rise, will level the playing field and get the game back where it was 43/50 years ago, but with more dramatic excitements added in.
*1979 is when the 3-poined started for college ball.

Now, let me show you the most famous basketball shot ever made in our Historical Basketball:
And if you notice, check the shot distance out. Sweet!

[ABEHONEST]

Leaping for the pass, Laettner dribbled once, faked right, spun left and ascended for his moment in history. After making all nine of his field-goal attempts and all 10 of his free-throw attempts at that point, Laettner struck again, making a game-winning 17-footer as time expired.

* Has there ever been a more intelligent, highly skilled player than this guy, in college basketball?
Christain Laettner!
*Did he shoot a 3-shot out of all that 10 for 10 shooting?
I will check and see?
First, I have to dry my eyes because I can only take so much college basketball excitement.

**
Basic Box Score Stats

▲ MP FG FGA FG% 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FT%
C.L. 43 10 10 1.000 9 9 1 1 1.000 10 for 10 1.000

7 rbs- / 3- assists-/ 2- stl./ blk-0 / 5- tvor./ 4- pf / 31-pnts

[Chi_archie]

yes he hit a triple


as I recall, he was very selective with his shots and hit a VERY high % of his 3's

prob should have taken more

the DEEP shot, might have let him really become something in the NBA

[ABEHONEST]

yes he hit a triple


as I recall, he was very selective with his shots and hit a VERY high % of his 3's

prob should have taken more

the DEEP shot, might have let him really become something in the NBA

Well, I doubt if he was able to free enough, often enough, for NBA threes?

[d2bets]

Wow, I thought I has some radical views?
So we have a shoot-out at The O.K. Carrol?

Nope. Almost a 30 foot distance for the 4's. You think they'd hit those better than 25% or so? I don't, but if they do then go another 2 feet or whatever. Won't incentive to shoot those constantly, but will give teams a chance to overcome a deficit. Moving the regular 3 point line back 2 feet, you'd see fewer 3's and 4's than now.

[stevenash]

You could just make the college 3-pointer the NBA line and it would be good enough. College kids can't shoot anyway.

For the pros, just get rid of the 3-pointer. It is too easy now. But fans would be outraged. The 3-pointer is the most popular rule ever put in basketball. People want more, not less.

The 3-pointer was pretty cool back in the day. The college line has always been a joke. High school girls could hit the college three-pointer.

You either watch it or you don't. I don't watch it and never missed it.

By the looks from some of the bricked free throws last night, pro's don't shoot very well either.
Unless you're a Curry boy, then you're from another planet.

[ABEHONEST]

The "elvolution of the three"

[IMG]THE HISTORY AND EVOLUTION OF THE 3-POINT LINE IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL SHARE College basketball's 3-point line in the DI men's game moves back this season for the first time since 2008. In case you missed the news, the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel approved moving it back to 22 feet, 1¾ inches in June. That's the same distance used in international basketball. So how will the new distance affect college basketball? Quite a bit, if history is any indicator. Expect 3-point shooting percentages to drop at first while driving lanes and post play opens up. But the 3-point shot will remain the most valuable in the game.

More than that soon. Let's start first with a broader look at what's happened since the shot first came into being. The 3-point line debuted in Division I men’s basketball in 1987. That year, teams attempted just 9.2 3-pointers per game, making 3.5. The 3-pointer barely made an impact — accounting for just 14.4 percent of all points in Division I that season. That didn't last long. By 2008, the college basketball landscape was fully submerged in the three ball. The popularity of the shot had skyrocketed. Made and attempted 3-pointers per game doubled, and the shot was responsible for a record 28.9 percent of all points in college basketball. That offseason — 21 years after the introduction of the 3-point line — the NCAA voted to move the line back one foot, to 20 feet, 9 inches. That's where it would stand for 11 years before the changes we'll see this season.

New 3-point line (tap or click here to view this graphic in a new window) The 2009 season — the first with an extended line since the shot was introduced — saw an immediate drop-off in 3-point performance. In all but two of the 21 seasons from 1988 to 2008, 3-point field goal attempts per game and made 3-pointers per game rose across all of Division I. In 2009, both saw their biggest drops in the history of the shot, with teams shooting 0.8 fewer 3-pointers per game and making 0.4 fewer. Teams also dropped 0.8 percent in accuracy, from a Division I-wide 35.2 percent in 2008 to 34.4 percent in 2009 — the lowest mark since 2000. RANKING: The best 3-point shooting college basketball teams this century But more recent history can give us an even better look at how this rule change will impact the game. In the past two seasons, the NIT debuted several experimental rules in its postseason tournament, one of which included the new 22 feet, 1 ¾ inch 3-point line. To get an idea of how modern teams will react to the change, we compared how teams performed from 3-point range in the NIT over the past two years vs. how those same teams performed in the regular season and conference play. In the 124 NIT games, teams shot 2 percent worse from 3-point range compared to their regular-season performance, while actually attempting 0.3 more 3-pointers. 3-point performance by NIT teams in postseason vs. regular season in 2018 and 2019 3P% 3P/G 3PA/G Regular season 35.8% 7.89 22.07 NIT 33.8% 7.56 22.37 Difference -2% -0.34 +0.3 And this isn’t just a difference in postseason play of 3-point shooting dropping off. We did the same comparison to teams in 2017, when the NIT 3-point line was the same as the regular-season 3-point line. That year, teams actually shot 0.48 percent better from 3-point range in the NIT compared to the regular season, and took 2.6 more 3-pointers in NIT games than in regular season games.

FULL RULE CHANGE DETAILS: Men’s college basketball 3-point line extended to international distance[/IMG]

[ABEHONEST]

I confess, I had no idea what distance the 3-shot was?
And with my "strange proposal," some have said, by it making it worth only 2-1/2, I see no logical reason to keep it that difficult, or at the distance, it is now?
Maybe even back to 20 Ft or a bit over.?
* My case is closed now unless I see another member coming up with another option for that, infamous three.