Should 'BetFirstClass' SBR rating be lowered ?

fiveteamer · 08-28-09, 05:04 PM

I wouldn't send those guys pimike's money.

Sam Odom · 08-28-09, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by fiveteamer

I wouldn't send those guys pimike's money.

I almost fell for BFC's talk a few weeks back and send them some money. But when I checked their SBR rating I passed. I'm glad I did.

SBR_John · 08-28-09, 05:39 PM

I think their D+ rating reflects the fact that one could expect this type of action. One would never expect lets say a C+ or higher book to make bush league moves like this.

Sam Odom · 08-28-09, 05:53 PM

John, I get it

We should NOT be surprised by this action from a D+ book.

fiveteamer · 08-28-09, 05:55 PM

The first and only experience I've ever had with BFC was when they started up and a guy from there started posting here and insulted a bunch of posters including myself.

It really made me want to send them some of my money.

SBR_John · 08-28-09, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by fiveteamer

The first and only experience I've ever had with BFC was when they started up and a guy from there started posting here and insulted a bunch of posters including myself.

It really made me want to send them some of my money.

They made some PR errors early on and maybe still are. In this business a new broom sweeps good. But at some point these new books figure out its not real profitable if you have to pay all the winners. Then comes the rounding of edges and giving small haircuts. Its not an easy racket. A lot more players win than used to. And a lot of players pass on set up lines. Plus the cost of banking is extremely high and risky.

Corey · 08-29-09, 04:58 PM

BetFirstClass has a sister site, WagerUnit

BetFirstClass has a sister book, WagerUnit. Looks exactly the same practically. Just wanted to let you guys know (it is also associated with a forum called **********)

EDIT: Censored the site. No big deal. It's a small forum compared to this one. The fact that it is associated with a forum is troubling actually - couldn't the owners be posting B.S. picks to their forum, encouraging you to bet on the book?

InTheHole · 08-30-09, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

They made some PR errors early on and maybe still are. In this business a new broom sweeps good. But at some point these new books figure out its not real profitable if you have to pay all the winners. Then comes the rounding of edges and giving small haircuts. Its not an easy racket. A lot more players win than used to. And a lot of players pass on set up lines. Plus the cost of banking is extremely high and risky.

They're calling you Johnny

Peep · 08-30-09, 10:23 PM

I wouldn't play there at this point with SBR John's money.

Once a book gets to the point where they are posting player's bets on a posting forum they are not to be trusted IMO. They did this to me to prove I bet "bad lines". Only problem for them, it was a widely available number that I played, it wasn't a bad line at all. So they publically accused me of being a cheap shot artist for no reason.

What is next? Names and phone numbers? Oh yeah, I forgot, they already did that to poster Timely Hitting......

Stay far far away.......

flyingillini · 08-30-09, 10:25 PM

Don't know anything about their operation except the person who designed their website looks like the same guy who did all the gamecities.com sites.

fiveteamer · 08-30-09, 10:26 PM

peep how do we find this thread?

InTheHole · 08-30-09, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Peep

I wouldn't play there at this point with SBR John's money.

Once a book gets to the point where they are posting player's bets on a posting forum they are not to be trusted IMO. They did this to me to prove I bet "bad lines". Only problem for them, it was a widely available number that I played, it wasn't a bad line at all. So they publically accused me of being a cheap shot artist for no reason.

What is next? Names and phone numbers? Oh yeah, I forgot, they already did that to poster Timely Hitting......

Stay far far away.......

PEEP....what a bunch of SOB's

dark star · 08-30-09, 10:35 PM

SBR grading for books is extremly questionable to say the least.Every one knows the A books but there are a lot of flaws with their current grades.

InTheHole · 08-30-09, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by dark star

SBR grading for books is extremly questionable to say the least.Every one knows the A books but there are a lot of flaws with their current grades.

Give us an example Sir

fiveteamer · 08-30-09, 10:40 PM

All these rating systems are self serving, once people accept that fact we can all move on.

Peep · 08-30-09, 10:45 PM

Sorry, looks like I am a bit mixed up, it was OSU cowboy who posted Timely Hitting's information.

Fiveteamer and Inthehole, there are a couple of threads at Peep's place where the posting of my personal information by The Judge who represents Bet First Class has posted. I don't think SBR likes live links, so here is a quote.

Peep's limits are what they are due to the history of his cherry picking at an occasional bad number plus he has not been on the wrong side of a closing number yet. We let this one stand because it is Peep and we like and respect him but any other book would have canceled it due to the wrong side being listed as the favorite.

All I did was bet a widely available line and win. Crap book posting my bets on the internet.

tacomax · 08-30-09, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Peep

All I did was bet a widely available line and win. Crap book posting my bets on the internet.

What was the line at BFC and what was the line at some of the major books?

Chuck Sims · 08-30-09, 11:17 PM

BFC cancelled a Laker -265 HT line citing a bad line. The used Pinnacle's closing line as proof. Totally dishonest, as the line was steamed up. BFC had cancelled the bets prior to the start of the game but of course many peoplle did not realize this until they checked their account after the game. BFC ended up being shamed into paying the players. BFC is showing a pattern that if you get a good line or they fail to act on a fast moving line, they blame the player. Its a red flag.

Peep · 08-30-09, 11:37 PM

I bet a +110 on Wash to score first Tacomax. Washington was around +225, it was a line available at other books as well.

They posted my play in the forum as proof I bet bad lines. They claimed the +110/-120 was reversed. It was not.

Posting people's plays is bullshit. That should be confidential information between the player and the book IMO.

dark star · 08-31-09, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by InTheHole

Give us an example Sir

For starters Gamblers Palace (C) Are you kidding,,,this place sucks
Island Casino (B) No comment
Wsex (C) Any one say slow pay
Laspalmas(D) used to love this place,but what do thet have to do to get an "F" should have been there 6 months ago.
Atlas(B+) This book couldn't touch Heritage,Carib or Rebatewager.
Played here for years...if these guys are B+ we are either in trouble,or the people doing these rating are clueless.
Betonline-Is not an A book.C on their best day
betus(C-)This is a joke right.
Betjoint (C)This just in...(actually 7-8 months ago)They are no more.

Catalina C+...Blows away anything above
Heritage & Carib (B) should both be A+

Linemaker at C- is a good out

dark star · 08-31-09, 08:02 AM

Also Bet 911 (D) They have been regarded as a solid smaller shop for some time.
All they have done the last 6 months is bend over backwards for players & make sure players get paid in a timely matter.Imagine what their rating would be if someone was slow paid.To say that they aare no better than Laspalmas is a joke.

Docta Ignoranti · 08-31-09, 10:09 AM

LasPalmas was an excellent book that has fallen into hard times, but is still well managed. Bet911 is a book with a terrible history of slow pays and no pays that ran most players out. Solid? Come on DS...

oiler · 08-31-09, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Peep

I wouldn't play there at this point with SBR John's money.

Once a book gets to the point where they are posting player's bets on a posting forum they are not to be trusted IMO. They did this to me to prove I bet "bad lines". Only problem for them, it was a widely available number that I played, it wasn't a bad line at all. So they publically accused me of being a cheap shot artist for no reason.

What is next? Names and phone numbers? Oh yeah, I forgot, they already did that to poster Timely Hitting......

Stay far far away.......

especially these days.the way things are right now,have no idea what these guys would do with all our info

SBR Lou · 08-31-09, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Docta Ignoranti

LasPalmas was an excellent book that has fallen into hard times, but is still well managed.

I disagree with this. They've owed a player over $34,000 since February, he isn't the only one that's still being slow-paid a good chunk of coin. The only documented time they were able to process a payment of this size in the last six months was a transfer to Bookmaker. Everyone owed anything more than a couple dimes have been waiting for months. Their email customer service is horrible, I've seen the transcripts, they're absolutely not close to a well managed book from a customer service to payouts to management end. Maybe they used to be, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" industry. Players don't care how they used to be, and shouldn't.

Peep · 08-31-09, 10:34 AM

Agree with the poster who said that Bet911 is doing just fine.

JELLYBEAN · 08-31-09, 11:02 AM

Please don't chase BFC guy from posting....he is hilarious.............reminds me of Lance from NAB.............couldn't make this shit up

LOL

Peep · 08-31-09, 11:35 AM

I know Jellybean.

I am already having "poster's regret" for being so mean to him. I did tell him his posts were much appreciated, and OGD wouldn't ban him no matter what.

He is as good as Bill/Lance was isn't he? I had a guy IM me last night claiming he was Bill, but I don't think so.

mr. leisure · 08-31-09, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

I disagree with this. They've owed a player over $34,000 since February, he isn't the only one that's still being slow-paid a good chunk of coin. The only documented time they were able to process a payment of this size in the last six months was a transfer to Bookmaker. Everyone owed anything more than a couple dimes have been waiting for months. Their email customer service is horrible, I've seen the transcripts, they're absolutely not close to a well managed book from a customer service to payouts to management end. Maybe they used to be, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" industry. Players don't care how they used to be, and shouldn't.

good post lou

fiveteamer · 08-31-09, 01:16 PM

Solid post CrazyL

Doug · 08-31-09, 01:42 PM

I have to side with Peep on this one.

Docta Ignoranti · 08-31-09, 01:53 PM

Ok Crazy Lou, I never said slow paying players is a good thing or at this point LP is a solid out. I said just the opposite LasPalmas was an excellent book that has fallen into hard times... They do have good managers, basically the same people in place as before...i guess a lack of money will make anyone dip in CS ratings, but obvouisly this is not a place you would want to send 10k and expect to get paid out tomorrow. As far as Bet911 goes, I am glad they are good now...lets see how that plays out because they sucked before.

Mr. L JFA rules!

jayc88 · 08-31-09, 01:57 PM

d+ or d , dont know how that would affect my decision to send them my money ,
everything below b is crap

SBR_John · 08-31-09, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by jayc88

d+ or d , dont know how that would affect my decision to send them my money ,
everything below b is crap

This comes up a lot. There was a poster recently who was blaming SBR because he lost money in a book rated C-. It's mostly common sense. Most know a C is iffy, a B is decent and a A is excellent.