With all of this FanDuel and Draftkings talk, does anyone here use offshore?

[playersonly69]

I mean those books offer some really great offers and have lines for everything.


Who wants to risk not getting paid from some Costa Rican sportsbook when you can bet with those books or other books in your state? Louisiana will have sportsbooks open later this month and people from Texas will flock over there to bet

[thetrinity]

yes a lot of these books have a shade more juice, especially for sports that dont get bet as much

what they do have is great promos that you dont have to leave money on for 6 months to get paid

an offshore out or two isnt a bad thing even if your state gets books

[pavyracer]

We don't have gambling in my state. Offshore is all I got.

[Brock Landers]

Betonline destroys them

Get paid under 5 minutes

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Got a payout by Caesars in NJ via MRPAYPAL. Was in my account within the hour.

[d2bets]

We don't have gambling in my state. Offshore is all I got.

Find a moving company.

[trobin31]

live in dc area, sometimes when in MD have to use offshore, but defintely not my prference, the software and vig is destroying offshore, only a matter of time before every state wises up and stops sending money to other countries

[Crusherrr]

Sad that people actually like US books to be honest. In 3 years you'll wish offshore was still as prevalent as it was a year or two ago.

Draftkings/Fanduel and another 1-2 books will run the entire market share, buy up all the competition and the lines will continue to get worse and worse.

Luckily, offshore is putting up a fight. The endless 50%-100% codes are a dream right now. Easy way to make a fortune before US/onshore makes it more and more challenging for offshore books.

[Crusherrr]

Everyone is so goo-goo gaga over odds boosts, parlay boosts(which really only boost the odds to be comparative to offshore regularly) same game parlays, and other silly promotions that give $10 and $25 here and there that you ignore all the good things offshore offers.

I don't want to deal with the hassles of betting big in the states. Too many questions. Way more likely to get limited. If you even show signs of a pulse you get cut off. They want to know who you are, where you work, what is your source of funds, the list goes on and on.

Meanwhile, BetOnline, Bookmaker, Bovada all capable of paying $50k in BTC within minutes/hours.

Just look what happened with DFS. Draftkings/Fanduel obliterated the competition and now almost nobody wins. They are forced to publish the numbers. Take a look at them. Something like 1% of customers win at the end of the year. The juice is so high, because there is no competition.

Get your bonus offers, odds boosts, whatever. Punish these books as they fight for market share. But once it's down to Draftkings and Fanduel and the competition is gone. They will then run the show all across the country. Maybe Circa will stand up and fight and treat their customers right, but you won't get any good promos, or offers. You'll have to beat them straight up at -110. Which is still extremely difficult.

[Waterstpub87]

Everyone is so goo-goo gaga over odds boosts, parlay boosts(which really only boost the odds to be comparative to offshore regularly) same game parlays, and other silly promotions that give $10 and $25 here and there that you ignore all the good things offshore offers.

I don't want to deal with the hassles of betting big in the states. Too many questions. Way more likely to get limited. If you even show signs of a pulse you get cut off. They want to know who you are, where you work, what is your source of funds, the list goes on and on.

Meanwhile, BetOnline, Bookmaker, Bovada all capable of paying $50k in BTC within minutes/hours.

Just look what happened with DFS. Draftkings/Fanduel obliterated the competition and now almost nobody wins. They are forced to publish the numbers. Take a look at them. Something like 1% of customers win at the end of the year. The juice is so high, because there is no competition.

Get your bonus offers, odds boosts, whatever. Punish these books as they fight for market share. But once it's down to Draftkings and Fanduel and the competition is gone. They will then run the show all across the country. Maybe Circa will stand up and fight and treat their customers right, but you won't get any good promos, or offers. You'll have to beat them straight up at -110. Which is still extremely difficult.

I took all the new player offers at 6 or so NJ books. Eventually, to get closer to offshore, I'm going to have to line shop at 6 books or so. Agree with this sentiment. Feels bad, -105 will be a thing of the past. Half of the BR is offshore right now, but as it gets bigger, will have to reduce. More bitcoin regulation could kill offshore in a hurry.

[Wilfred]

Betonline destroys them

Get paid under 5 minutes

I mean your money is in your bank account the next day using FD or DK, and you can parlay live games and have more options. Good to have both.

[Four33]

Not available in texas and I hate there commercials.

[mjsuax13]

everyone is so goo-goo gaga over odds boosts, parlay boosts(which really only boost the odds to be comparative to offshore regularly) same game parlays, and other silly promotions that give $10 and $25 here and there that you ignore all the good things offshore offers.

I don't want to deal with the hassles of betting big in the states. Too many questions. Way more likely to get limited. If you even show signs of a pulse you get cut off. They want to know who you are, where you work, what is your source of funds, the list goes on and on.

Meanwhile, betonline, bookmaker, bovada all capable of paying $50k in btc within minutes/hours.

Just look what happened with dfs. Draftkings/fanduel obliterated the competition and now almost nobody wins. They are forced to publish the numbers. Take a look at them. Something like 1% of customers win at the end of the year. The juice is so high, because there is no competition.

Get your bonus offers, odds boosts, whatever. Punish these books as they fight for market share. But once it's down to draftkings and fanduel and the competition is gone. They will then run the show all across the country. Maybe circa will stand up and fight and treat their customers right, but you won't get any good promos, or offers. You'll have to beat them straight up at -110. Which is still extremely difficult.

truth.

[raiders72001]

Bitcoin only books to stay anonymous for the most part although do use FD and DK on occasion.

[Enkhbat]

Can you play on draftkings if you are not American?

[jjgold]

If you bet serious money you cannot bet USA books

The lines are so bad

1/2 of pa books deal -113/-108 spreads or -112/-109 spreads

Its bad

Fandual and Draftkings ok

[Vyasports]

Bet Responsibly.

[Cavisa]

I agree with this. I think when all is said and done, bettors will have one line to bet on, no more line shopping.

[hubie69]

The problem for offshore (If you're in the states) is that HEAVY regulation is coming for BTC from the US govt. It's going to make offshore extremely hard and even more illegal. That being said having offshore outs is never a bad thing.

I'd rather play in my state where it's legal and pay a couple of pennies in juice than spend time in a federal pound me in the ass prison for simply dabbling with BTC......

Yeah, it's not ideal, but what are you supposed to do?

[hubie69]

And before everyone starts jumping in about the anonymity of bitcoin, stop it. It's not.

[5mike5]

Haven't found a reason to use offshore once all the legal books hit. Get same and usually better odds than the only few reliable offshore books I use to use

[Easy-Rider 66]

Haven't found a reason to use offshore once all the legal books hit

yeah I am waiting on NC BILL 688 to pass and then if it goes down no offshore here.

[d2bets]

I agree with this. I think when all is said and done, bettors will have one line to bet on, no more line shopping.

That makes no sense. Only way is if only one operation survives and they have a monopoly. And that would cause its own issues/opportunity with manipulation of line moves.

If there is more than one operation, how can they all be forced to post the exact same number at all times?

[5mike5]

yeah I am waiting on NC BILL 688 to pass and then if it goes down no offshore here.

It's been a game changer for me. So many books and options

[d2bets]

Everyone is so goo-goo gaga over odds boosts, parlay boosts(which really only boost the odds to be comparative to offshore regularly) same game parlays, and other silly promotions that give $10 and $25 here and there that you ignore all the good things offshore offers.

I don't want to deal with the hassles of betting big in the states. Too many questions. Way more likely to get limited. If you even show signs of a pulse you get cut off. They want to know who you are, where you work, what is your source of funds, the list goes on and on.

Meanwhile, BetOnline, Bookmaker, Bovada all capable of paying $50k in BTC within minutes/hours.

Just look what happened with DFS. Draftkings/Fanduel obliterated the competition and now almost nobody wins. They are forced to publish the numbers. Take a look at them. Something like 1% of customers win at the end of the year. The juice is so high, because there is no competition.

Get your bonus offers, odds boosts, whatever. Punish these books as they fight for market share. But once it's down to Draftkings and Fanduel and the competition is gone. They will then run the show all across the country. Maybe Circa will stand up and fight and treat their customers right, but you won't get any good promos, or offers. You'll have to beat them straight up at -110. Which is still extremely difficult.

I know you're a smart guy, but you are making some (false) assumptions from what you've heard rather than from experience. My experience, so far, is that some of what you say is true to some extent but not entirely so. It varies a lot. There are opportunities and it's not as much of the hassle you assert.

[Easy-Rider 66]

It's been a game changer for me. So many books and options

I can only hope I mean we Have scratch off tickets down here. so why not legal online sports and horses?

[Microphone]

I just don't get it. Why not service both? Did SBR move to New Jersey and not say anything?

[5mike5]

I can only hope I mean we Have scratch off tickets down here. so why not legal online sports and horses?

All we had too. We don't even have land casinos in the state Now we are only state that offers unlimited licenses so should have them all by next year. Think we have like 10 now and hasn't even been live a year yet.

[Easy-Rider 66]

All we had too. We don't even have land casinos in the state. Now we are only state that offers unlimited licenses so should have them all by next year. Think we have like 10 now and hasn't even been live a year yet.

what state?

[5mike5]

Tennessee

[Easy-Rider 66]

Tennessee

OK good deal If TENN can legalize so should Carolina? I would think

[5mike5]

OK good deal If TENN can legalize so should Carolina? I would think

I would think so. Hopefully we broke the through for the southern states to start legalizing. Still shocked we got it honestly

[Crusherrr]

I know you're a smart guy, but you are making some (false) assumptions from what you've heard rather than from experience. My experience, so far, is that some of what you say is true to some extent but not entirely so. It varies a lot. There are opportunities and it's not as much of the hassle you assert.

Anything I've said is direct experience. Nothing is an assumption. Legal/regulated USA Books are fine. However, if we don't have offshore options AND USA books. Then it's going to suck big time. Draftkings is doing everything in its power to make it so that offshore goes away. Either by lawyering up and making them not allow customers from certain states, or by trying to shut them down in other ways.

If BTC/crypto becomes unusable for offshore it will also make it very difficult for them.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I would think so. Hopefully we broke the through for the southern states to start legalizing

yeah hope so. scratch offs smoking alcohol all legal. but I can not bet the Kentucky derby here in NC legally. it's a farce

[thomorino]

Draftkings is now paying out within seconds after the request is made. They have seperated themselves from the other books in Pennsylvania. Their lines are much lower juice than most too, mgm has lines 15-20 cents higher than them.