Are you Allowed to Kick the Kickoff Backwards?

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  • rm18
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    • 09-20-05
    • 22291

    #1
    Are you Allowed to Kick the Kickoff Backwards?
    Might be a sneaky math play at the end of the game say Ravens are down 3 with 3 min left they will never stop KC from getting a first down in middle of the field but condensed field maybe can if kick it backwards to own 12 yard line.
  • beantown34
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    • 12-31-13
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    • BeatTheJerk
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      • Orbison
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        • 09-07-20
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        #4
        interesting question, never thought about that before
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        • rm18
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          • 09-20-05
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          #5
          Most matchups it wouldn't be correct but Mahomes is the king of running out the clock and Ravens have a strong short yardage defense.
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          • Stallion
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            • 03-21-10
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            #6
            Uhhh no.
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            • asiagambler
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              • 07-23-17
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              #7
              I guess you could take penalties either before or after kick though KC could decline it if they are wise to it
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              • gauchojake
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                • 09-17-10
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                #8
                Kick has to go 10 yards forward no?
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                • rm18
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                  • 09-20-05
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by asiagambler
                  I guess you could take penalties either before or after kick though KC could decline it if they are wise to it
                  yeah i guess onside from own 2 would be better if they let you
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                  • rm18
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                    • 09-20-05
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by gauchojake
                    Kick has to go 10 yards forward no?
                    just to recover but to down it no
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                    • Orbison
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                      • 09-07-20
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rm18
                      Most matchups it wouldn't be correct but Mahomes is the king of running out the clock and Ravens have a strong short yardage defense.
                      but your question is whether it's allowed to kick it backwards. logic says it wouldn't be (i.e. a backwards kick would probably be termed an 'illegal kick' or something to the sort). but i've never even heard or thought of such an idea, so it's at least interesting to think about on some level
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                      • asiagambler
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                        • 07-23-17
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by rm18
                        yeah i guess onside from own 2 would be better if they let you
                        yes added bonus you can try onside kick
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                        • trytrytry
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                          • 03-13-06
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                          #13
                          Vikings kicker might have had better luck kicking the opposite way for FG at the end.
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                          • Champ2399
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                            • 11-07-11
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                            #14
                            Well, it'd be pretty easy to get a taunting penalty -- that backs the kickoff to their own 20-yard line. Then if you're offsides on the kickoff, now it's at the 15-yard line. From there, I don't know ... pop the kick up straight up in the air somehow? haha
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                            • mtneer1212
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                              #15
                              It it were legal, Belichek would have already found a way to exploit it.
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                              • pavyracer
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                                • 04-12-07
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                                #16
                                It is an illegal kick on kickoffs. I think the only time they kick it backwards it's if there is a mishap on a punt and the punter kicks the ball in the endzone for a safety to avoid a special teams defensive touchdown.
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                                • RudyRuetigger
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                                  • 08-24-10
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                                  #17
                                  Why wouldnt you just try for an onside kick?


                                  I dont see a scenario this ever making sense


                                  the whole defense will be playing in a condensed field in your situation anyway (playing for a run, no safety back deep)
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                                  • RudyRuetigger
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                                    • 08-24-10
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                                    #18
                                    its clearly "legal" to kick it backwards


                                    it would be a flag and the receiving team could just take 5 yards added on from the end of the kick, it wouldnt necessarily have to be a rekick
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                                    • rm18
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                                      • 09-20-05
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                      Why wouldnt you just try for an onside kick?


                                      I dont see a scenario this ever making sense


                                      the whole defense will be playing in a condensed field in your situation anyway (playing for a run, no safety back deep)
                                      I know what you mean but they still can run routes down the field especially with the Mahomes/HIll personnel. Also if they break for a TD at least you are not completely dead but if they break it for a first down the game over.
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                                      • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by rm18
                                        Might be a sneaky math play at the end of the game say Ravens are down 3 with 3 min left they will never stop KC from getting a first down in middle of the field but condensed field maybe can if kick it backwards to own 12 yard line.
                                        I like this post, even if it sounds half-baked. Makes u think.

                                        Here's what I take from your post:
                                        *NFL games are now about managing the 2-minute drill (at end of 1H and end of 2H). How do you MAXIMIZE your pts and MINIMIZE opponent pts?

                                        If you add up Net Pts +/- from 1H and 2H:
                                        ...If that # is +6 or higher, I think you have the game winner a hi % of the time.

                                        Consider the Balt/KC game. End of 2H, Collinsworth credited John Harbaugh for going for it on 4th/2. John Harbaugh deserves it, great call. My question:
                                        *How do you NOT go for it there?
                                        ...If you go for it, chance of conversion has to be 70%+.
                                        ...If you punt, Mahomes surely can get into FG range. Kickers are so good now. KC chance of winning has to be 60%+.
                                        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                        • Chi_archie
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                                          • 07-22-08
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                                          #21
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                                          • Foxx
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                                            • 05-25-11
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                                            #22
                                            SBR revolutionizing the sports world once again. We are always on the cutting edge here. I can see a team kicking backwards this coming weekend, maybe even tonight as news flies fast these days.
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                                            • Orbison
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                                              • 09-07-20
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                              its clearly "legal" to kick it backwards


                                              it would be a flag and the receiving team could just take 5 yards added on from the end of the kick, it wouldnt necessarily have to be a rekick
                                              good info. so essentially, the kicking team CAN do it, but there would be a flag against them for an "illegal kick" and the receiving team could simply elect to accept the kick at that point and tack on the additional penalty yards. or, the receiving team could elect to force the kicking team to re-kick it (although it's highly unlikely they would elect to do that).

                                              also, i assume the rule of such a backwards kick is that the kicking team is not allowed to recover their own backwards kick.. i.e. it would only be a live ball for the receiving team (since the kick never made it 10 yards forward).

                                              if the above is true, then the only way the kicking team could ever recover their own backwards kick is if the receiving team attempted to recover it, but then botched it, which would then make it a live ball for the kicking team too (?).
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