Letz talk UCLA and Chip Kelly

[RoyBacon]

So you're making bout $4 mill a year and your record is a pathetic 10-21 going into an extension year. Your wife, family and friends are giving you the Shaq eye. You're like the guy in Alice Cooper's 'No More Mr Nice Guy' song.

To be sure, Kelly is a decent coach. 4 BCS appearances and almost beat a powerful Auburn team in a title game 10 yrs ago while putting the Oregon Ducks on the map.

But his recent claim to fame is finding bizarre WTF ways to lose. Every L was a game they could have won.

USC- Lost - blew a 28-10 3rd qtr lead. Allowed USC to go the length of the field for a TD in the last :50

Stanford -Lost - 500 yds of offense but botched a 2 point conversion in OT

#11 Oregon- Lost - Outgained the Ducks, 462 yds Offense. Overcame 4 turnovers and still almost won Final: 35-38

Colo- Lost - 4 costly turnovers later Colo was up 35-7 in the 2nd qtr. UCLA outscored them 35-13 from that point on, still lost.

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This year UCLA brings back almost everyone except their best defensive player Double O, Osa O, who will be playing on Sundays for the How bout them cowboys!

UCLA is deep with experience but maybe a tad lite on talent. This is where Kelly comes in, Remember him?

Can he get the Bruins to quit coughing up the ball and stop self destructing down the stretch? One could conclude that with nearly the entire team returning and Kelly getting a lot of Shaq eyes this team could well be better than advertised.

[mjsuax13]

Hmmmmmm. Roy, I'm not so sure. Chip Kelly feels very Rich Rodriguez now. Offensive innovator at the time but still holding on to things that are all on tape. He has been exposed. Sure- they have had talent problems. It's going to come down to his defense. Do they practice defense? Not sure he will turn the corner. You'd think his "reputation" would yield better results. Particularly with USC mostly a shell of what they were. I think Chip is a flash in the pan. His best teams at Oregon were with Mike Belotti guys. I'd argue Belotti put them on the map. I guess we'll see. As you said, they are bringing back a lot of guys but as a gambler, I cannot get behind Chip much.

[RudyRuetigger]

UCLA will be on top within 2-4 years


relax

[209 Life]

They won't win week 3

[RudyRuetigger]

I forget which thread....oh chip kelly coaches overrated thread......UCLA isnt the powerhouse oregon



LOL bitch please



UCLA is 100x better than oregon and will be proven with this new pay for play scheme

[mjsuax13]

I forget which thread....oh chip kelly coaches overrated thread......UCLA isnt the powerhouse oregon



LOL bitch please



UCLA is 100x better than oregon and will be proven with this new pay for play scheme

You make an interesting point with the "pay for play"... Hard to argue. They certainly have geography in their favor.

[RudyRuetigger]

You make an interesting point with the "pay for play"... Hard to argue. They certainly have geography in their favor.

marketability

commercials in LA???



weather?


clubs?


who the hell goes to oregon?



ucla is going to be a powerhouse in a few years

[mjsuax13]

marketability

commercials in LA???



weather?


clubs?


who the hell goes to oregon?



ucla is going to be a powerhouse in a few years

All good points. Chip still looks lost on the sideline.

[RudyRuetigger]

All good points. Chip still looks lost on the sideline.

he started in 2018



his 1st seniors havent even graduated yet



plus, who wants to go to a bad program with a new coach to start? so those seniors took a chance


i think itll be a powerhouse in the future, especially if he stays there

[RoyBacon]

All good points. Chip still looks lost on the sideline.

He was LY but LY was a strange year.

UCLA has a pretty tough schedule with at Washington, Oregon, at Utah, USC and LSU. Ariz St will be better and that's not a sure W.

I mean that's a potential 6 losses. They will be dogs to all but Ariz St.

But...

[stake1]

thompson-robinson-junior is an exciting qb
Kelly can get some good stuff done with that kid
if he can beat Lsu on Labor Day weekend, he will start season 3-0, sorry to "209" there, i just do not like deboer's team this year

[209 Life]

thompson-robinson-junior is an exciting qb
Kelly can get some good stuff done with that kid
if he can beat Lsu on Labor Day weekend, he will start season 3-0, sorry to "209" there, i just do not like deboer's team this year

Ronnie Rivers. Remember the name he will be playing on Sundays.

[stake1]

Ronnie Rivers. Remember the name he will be playing on Sundays.

right on. First team all mountain with toa taua

[209 Life]

right on. First team all mountain with toa taua

Also on Maxwell awards list one of the best players in the nation

[jjgold]

Average Team

Decent athletes

Poorly coached

[homie1975]

20 ret starters including the QB on a team that lost 4 games by total of 15 points.

normally, this is an AUTO improvement the following year however here is the FLY in the proverbial ointment:

MOST schools around the country bring back DD starters mostly 15+ across both sides of the ball and Special Teams and this is due to the eligibility rule due to last year's Covid Crap.

So...............20 returning starters is countered in the PAC 12 by.......

- Washington 18 returning incl QB
- Oregon 16
- Stanford 14
- Wazzu 18 incl QB
- Cal 17 incl QB
- Oregon State 19 inc QB

- USC 16 incl QB
- Utah 19 incl QB
- ASU 20 incl QB
- Colorado 16
- Arizona 17

Soooooo...........The Bruins can be markedly improved but it may not show up in the W-L column in a conf that has an embarrassment of riches in returning starters at EVERY school.

[MinnesotaFats]

College FB needs UCLA to get relevant again here

It'd be a great story if they could build a top 10 program

[RudyRuetigger]

marketability

commercials in LA???



weather?


clubs?


who the hell goes to oregon?



ucla is going to be a powerhouse in a few years

College FB needs UCLA to get relevant again here

It'd be a great story if they could build a top 10 program

great idea


if only someone said that

[homie1975]

College FB needs UCLA to get relevant again here

It'd be a great story if they could build a top 10 program

As long as schools like Notre dame usc ohio state Alabama are relevant, the sport does not ucla to be strong. They are a basketball school first and foremost in athletics and overall are academically inclined.

College football thriving year after year after year. Huge huge huge business.

[RoyBacon]

Well it would be great for the game if a Fl st, a Michigan, a Texas, a Penn St, a Nebraska and a USC could be top 10 material.

I'm a big SEC guy but... it would be fantastic to have great teams geographically diverse.

[RudyRuetigger]

Well it would be great for the game if a Fl st, a Michigan, a Texas, a Penn St, a Nebraska and a USC could be top 10 material.

I'm a big SEC guy but... it would be fantastic to have great teams geographically diverse.

roy are you selling or not


check in the thread



THANK YOU

[seaborneq]

Everybody DOES what Chip Chip Kelly DID and do it better with better talent. Game over for Chip. The same thing happened to Gus Malzahn and he is now at UCF. ND, Clemson, USC, Michigan, Georgia, and OSU are a handful of programs who have stayed true to form on offense and have not gone to the hurry up no huddle offense that all the other weaker teams now employ. These teams still try to blow opponents off the LOS and run the ball to control the game. Most are still top 20 teams.

[homie1975]

Well it would be great for the game if a Fl st, a Michigan, a Texas, a Penn St, a Nebraska and a USC could be top 10 material.

I'm a big SEC guy but... it would be fantastic to have great teams geographically diverse.

True ROYer but if those historically strong programs rise up again then folks up in the Top 25 have to drop out.

Look at the AP Top 25 preseason poll (does not mean diddly squat right now, we know that) and see how many historically strong household name programs are in the Top 25:

1. Bama
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
6. Ohio State
11. LSU
12. Miami
13. Notre Dame
17. Florida
18. Texas
21. Penn State
24. USC

That's 11 of the Top 25 so who are household brand name schools in college football lore.

Now look at those teams who have really made a move in the last 10-20 years and are always contenders in their respective conferences and going to bowl games almost every year:

2. Clemson - basically a modern day power
12. Oregon
15. Wisconsin
18. Iowa
21. Washington
22. Oklahoma State

That's 17 of the Top 25 which is 68% who are either historical powers or who have risen to some respectable heights the past 10-20 years.

Look out for several of these tradition-rich schools Below to make a big move back to the national discussion this Fall:

AUBURN
MICHIGAN
NEBRASKA
FLORIDA STATE

[RoyBacon]

True ROYer but if those historically strong programs rise up again then folks up in the Top 25 have to drop out.

Look at the AP Top 25 preseason poll (does not mean diddly squat right now, we know that) and see how many historically strong household name programs are in the Top 25:

1. Bama
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
6. Ohio State
11. LSU
12. Miami
13. Notre Dame
17. Florida
18. Texas
21. Penn State
24. USC

That's 11 of the Top 25 so who are household brand name schools in college football lore.

Now look at those teams who have really made a move in the last 10-20 years and are always contenders in their respective conferences and going to bowl games almost every year:

2. Clemson - basically a modern day power
12. Oregon
15. Wisconsin
18. Iowa
21. Washington
22. Oklahoma State

That's 17 of the Top 25 which is 68% who are either historical powers or who have risen to some respectable heights the past 10-20 years.

Look out for several of these tradition-rich schools Below to make a big move back to the national discussion this Fall:

AUBURN
MICHIGAN
NEBRASKA
FLORIDA STATE

Great post. No one even mentioned poor Tennessee.

Auburn - no
Nebraska - no

Michigan? I took them week one. I think they will play much better. Very easy schedule. 8-4 is likely.

FSU? We will know more after week 1

There is always a TCU, BYU, Boise St, Central Florida, Louisville out there no one sees coming. I really think UCLA, LSU, Texas or Washington can make something happen unexpectedly.

[homie1975]

Great post. No one even mentioned poor Tennessee.

Auburn - no
Nebraska - no

Michigan? I took them week one. I think they will play much better. Very easy schedule. 8-4 is likely.

FSU? We will know more after week 1

There is always a TCU, BYU, Boise St, Central Florida, Louisville out there no one sees coming. I really think UCLA, LSU, Texas or Washington can make something happen unexpectedly.

I looked at Tennessee. Heupel in year one with just 12 returning starters from a 3-7 team.

Pass this year.

Revisit them in 2022.

[homie1975]

Great post. No one even mentioned poor Tennessee.

Auburn - no
Nebraska - no

Michigan? I took them week one. I think they will play much better. Very easy schedule. 8-4 is likely.

FSU? We will know more after week 1

There is always a TCU, BYU, Boise St, Central Florida, Louisville out there no one sees coming. I really think UCLA, LSU, Texas or Washington can make something happen unexpectedly.

I like most of those picks, ROYer:

- UCLA. 20 returning starters incl QB. chip with a chip on his shoulder. but again, stacked conference in terms of vets returning at every school due to the COVID year waiver.

- LSU 18 ret starters incl QB from a very young but talented team that was in Y1 last year after the 2019 squad which was one of the most dominant in CFB history.

- Texas, 15 returns but QB is new. Sark in year one. 5-7 imo. Texas. Wins (LA, Rice, Tx Tech, KU and KSU all at home). Losses (at Arkie, at TCU, OU, Okie State, at Baylor, at Iowa St, at WVA)

- Washington, 18 ret starters incl QB and year two under jimmy lake. p12 north is veteran but they and oregon have the best talent in that division.

BTW, out of the 4 you mentioned, only UCLA is not in the Top 25 so the other 3 have some expectations but i believe Texas will shittt the bed in year one under Sark, then be much better in year two

UCLA could be the team here

[TheMoneyShot]

The way Chip Kelly coaches UCLA.... reminds me of the Detroit Lions.... just bonehead mistakes.... looking like a circus out there when totally in control of a game. Sometimes I wonder when Kelly was with Oregon.... a good defensive coordinator makes Kelly look EVEN BETTER... but there is no solid defense on UCLA...

And UCLA just goes brain dead on offense out of nowhere... crazy.

[homie1975]

The way Chip Kelly coaches UCLA.... reminds me of the Detroit Lions.... just bonehead mistakes.... looking like a circus out there when totally in control of a game. Sometimes I wonder when Kelly was with Oregon.... a good defensive coordinator makes Kelly look EVEN BETTER... but there is no solid defense on UCLA...

And UCLA just goes brain dead on offense out of nowhere... crazy.

yeah they've rarely had a good, hard nosed D out in Westwood. maybe a year or two under Bob Toledo but most years under him and since then, they have had to rely on turnovers and opportunistic plays.

the best defensive, tough players who want to live and play in southern CA, end up at USC.

[RoyBacon]

I like most of those picks, ROYer:

- UCLA. 20 returning starters incl QB. chip with a chip on his shoulder. but again, stacked conference in terms of vets returning at every school due to the COVID year waiver.

- LSU 18 ret starters incl QB from a very young but talented team that was in Y1 last year after the 2019 squad which was one of the most dominant in CFB history.

- Texas, 15 returns but QB is new. Sark in year one. 5-7 imo. Texas. Wins (LA, Rice, Tx Tech, KU and KSU all at home). Losses (at Arkie, at TCU, OU, Okie State, at Baylor, at Iowa St, at WVA)

- Washington, 18 ret starters incl QB and year two under jimmy lake. p12 north is veteran but they and oregon have the best talent in that division.

BTW, out of the 4 you mentioned, only UCLA is not in the Top 25 so the other 3 have some expectations but i believe Texas will shittt the bed in year one under Sark, then be much better in year two

UCLA could be the team here

Don't fall to too in love with "returning starters". I recall playing Duke in week 1 when they had 21 returning starters and they got beat 41-0. Some teams are so deep the only reason Joe Blow is starting is because he's a senior.

Texas's QB actually started the bowl game and looked great. Texas is going to lose to Arkansas? Zero chance. They will be a dbl digit road fav. La Laf is a much better team than Ark, they are a '20 bowl team. TX could pick up an L there. Tx will beat Okla St, Baylor, TCU, WV, favored in all 4. The only sure loss is OU and even that one could be close. Iowa St is a pickem. A very good defense but a bit thin on offensive talent. But that's a pretty easy schedule outside of Okla so who knows?


UCLA has a really tough schedule with Washington, LSU, USC, Oregon, Ariz St and at Utah.

[homie1975]

Don't fall to too in love with "returning starters". I recall playing Duke in week 1 when they had 21 returning starters and they got beat 41-0. Some teams are so deep the only reason Joe Blow is starting is because he's a senior.

Texas's QB actually started the bowl game and looked great. Texas is going to lose to Arkansas? Zero chance. They will be a dbl digit road fav. La Laf is a much better team than Ark, they are a '20 bowl team. TX could pick up an L there. Tx will beat Okla St, Baylor, TCU, WV, favored in all 4. The only sure loss is OU and even that one could be close. Iowa St is a pickem. A very good defense but a bit thin on offensive talent. But that's a pretty easy schedule outside of Okla so who knows?


UCLA has a really tough schedule with Washington, LSU, USC, Oregon, Ariz St and at Utah.

ROYer should I say "hook em"?

You're seeing things thru burnt orange glasses mate!

Arkie and the big 12 brothers much better than u think. Texas will be fortunate to 6-6.

Trust me. One of us will bump this either way lol

[thezbar]

I attended the UCLA / Fresno State game at the Rose Bowl in 2018. It was clear very early that Coach Kelly was not only out coached but not as prepared as his opponent. Having action on the Bruins I could see I was on the wrong side as early as the pregame warmups. A rematch is scheduled September 18th at the Rose Bowl. In this revenge spot if Kelly and his Bruins repeat the 2018 effort the search for the next Head Coach may begin in earnest.
The Bruins have talent and may surprise many people. I'm taking a wait and see approach. I do however expect a good effort on the 18TH.

[RoyBacon]

ROYer should I say "hook em"?

You're seeing things thru burnt orange glasses mate!

Arkie and the big 12 brothers much better than u think. Texas will be fortunate to 6-6.

Trust me. One of us will bump this either way lol

Well amigo TX beat WV, Baylor and Okla St last year and lost by 5 points combined to TCU and Iowa St. You think they will be a little worse? Ark was 3-7 with just 1 win vs a winning team. They ain't beating TX. I'll give you ARK as a PICK rat now for a few points.


I took La Laf +10 because TX needs some experience with the new coaches. Plus, La Laf is a pretty good team. But they haven't slipped to an Ark level. I'd go 8-4 if you put a gun to my head.

[homie1975]

Well amigo TX beat WV, Baylor and Okla St last year and lost by 5 points combined to TCU and Iowa St. You think they will be a little worse? Ark was 3-7 with just 1 win vs a winning team. They ain't beating TX. I'll give you ARK as a PICK rat now for a few points.


I took La Laf +10 because TX needs some experience with the new coaches. Plus, La Laf is a pretty good team. But they haven't slipped to an Ark level. I'd go 8-4 if you put a gun to my head.

i'm just concerned about the new starting QB and new schemes in all 3 phases of the game under the new coach. i believe there will be some growing pains. the old coach hermann recruited pretty well so the talent will be there but it will be bit before it gels under the new terminology and chemistry needed to make it happen in a conf full of veteran schools with lots of returning talent.

Arkie lost at Auburn, v LSU, and at Mizzu by a combined 7 points so 10 more points total and they are 6-4 and bowling last year under 1st year coach Pittman.

i won't wager this game (plus I'm a stock guy like you and you have taught me a lot about the market ;-) ) but I will say that i believe catching any points at home against Texas in game 2 will be a nice spot for Arkie.

maybe we revisit this around 9/7 or 9/8 and we make a fun wager :-)

[homie1975]

I see Texas finishing 6-6 very likely and AT BEST 7-5.

i think 2022 in Sark's second year and more experience at QB, they make a nice up in the BIG 12 (or SEC :-) )

[homie1975]

In the BIG 12, there are some very strong schools this year in talent and veterans too:

OKLAHOMA
IOWA STATE
TCU
WVA
K-STATE
BAYLOR


Texas goes 2-4 maybe even 1-5 against this group of schools right here!

one neutral and 4 road games here. only K-State at home and those Mildcats might sock Texas real hard with all of the returning talent and strong coaching they have.

LOOK OUT ROYER !!!