Evander Kane accused of fixing hockey games.

**ronald** · 08-01-21, 03:42 PM

Realistically, it's very difficult for a hockey player to ensure that his team loses, unless he's the goaltender (or unless he obviously shoots the puck on his own goal).

Kane may very well have made bets for or against his own team, but it's more likely those bets would have been based on his own knowledge and perhaps even inside info about injuries, illness, etc on the team and around the league.

**Itsamazing777** · 08-01-21, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by ronald

I've said this so many times over the years across Forumville.

I get that some guys just don't want to live alone or whatever, but these women can turn on you in a flash.

I am probably the biggest anti-marriage advocate in forum history.

No one listens to me.

I do ronald
I do

**packerd_00** · 08-01-21, 03:49 PM

Im surprised no one here has come across him in Vegas to be honest.

**pavyracer** · 08-01-21, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by ronald

Realistically, it's very difficult for a hockey player to ensure that his team loses, unless he's the goaltender (or unless he obviously shoots the puck on his own goal).

Kane may very well have made bets for or against his own team, but it's more likely those bets would have been based on his own knowledge and perhaps even inside info about injuries, illness, etc on the team and around the league.

Maybe he was paying the refs money to fix the games. He had a $500,000 credit line at a Vegas book which means the bets were 6 figures.

How much does an NHL ref make per game? If he was paying them 5 figures to call penalties or not call penalties he could have been manipulating the overs and unders.

**Stallion** · 08-01-21, 07:29 PM

It's amazing how quick the NHL is investigating this, when there has been sexual abuse and harrassment claims going on in Chicago for years.

**manny24** · 08-01-21, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Stallion

It's amazing how quick the NHL is investigating this, when there has been sexual abuse and harrassment claims going on in Chicago for years.

eye witness reports time consuming

there's a large paper trail here very easy to lay out Stallion

**milwaukee mike** · 08-01-21, 09:10 PM

sounds like pete rose here

“I have NEVER gambled/bet on Hockey, NEVER gambled/bet on a Sharks game, NEVER gambled/bet on any of my games and NEVER thrown a hockey game,” he wrote on Twitter.

**stake1** · 08-01-21, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

sounds like pete rose here

“I have NEVER gambled/bet on Hockey, NEVER gambled/bet on a Sharks game, NEVER gambled/bet on any of my games and NEVER thrown a hockey game,” he wrote on Twitter.

Sure does

**Rich Boy** · 08-02-21, 09:52 AM

Pretty hard to rig hockey games, player props maybe but what limits on those?

**milwaukee mike** · 08-02-21, 06:43 PM

people keep mentioning "rigging"... that's not what donaghy did, all he did was provide injury/motivation information

you don't have to rig a game to know that 8 of your teammates are hungover... or know that they're out for blood because someone on the other team grabbed pavelski's mom's ass

lot of stuff that a player might know that isn't public, that could give a gambler an edge

**DR225** · 08-02-21, 06:56 PM

Donaghy did a hell of a lot more than provide information...There's nothing illegal about doing that. He rigged games by calling more fouls on the teams he was betting against.

**milwaukee mike** · 08-02-21, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by DR225

Donaghy did a hell of a lot more than provide information...There's nothing illegal about doing that. He rigged games by calling more fouls on the teams he was betting against.

there's actually quite a bit of proof that he DIDN'T do that... nba/fbi/us attorney all cleared donaghy of fixing games

former prosecutor Larry Pedowitz conducted an independent investigation of Donaghy's misconduct and issued publicly a 133-page report. This report was based on an extensive review of game data and video as well as approximately 200 interviews, thousands of pages of documents, and consultation with various gambling and data experts.

the nba investigation found no basis to disagree with the finding of the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office that "[t]here is no evidence that Donaghy ever intentionally made a particular ruling during a game in order to increase the likelihood that his gambling pick would be correct."

**milwaukee mike** · 08-02-21, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by DR225

Donaghy did a hell of a lot more than provide information...There's nothing illegal about doing that. He rigged games by calling more fouls on the teams he was betting against.

yes, and that's all he was convicted of

Donaghy pleaded guilty last August to conspiracy to engage in wire fraud and transmitting betting information through interstate commerce in the tips-for-payoffs scheme.

**DR225** · 08-02-21, 07:27 PM

That conclusion was in the NBA's best interest. How exactly would you prove that somebody fixed a game? Especially when refereeing is such a subjective thing.

Reports Confirm Former Ref Tim Donaghy Fixed Games

https://basketballforever.com/2019/02/19/disgraced-nba-referee-tim-donaghy-admitted-he-would-fail-polygraph-if-asked-if-he-fixed-nba-games

ESPN analysed 40 games that Donaghy officiated between December 12 2006 and March 21 2007, the period which he was alleged to have been gambling on games that he refereed.
The researchers found that his calls favoured teams that were bet on more heavily in 77 percent of those games.
Out of those 30 games, Donaghy’s calls favoured the team he personally bet on 23 times, only going against teams he bet on a total of three times.
The chances of Donaghy accidentally making calls that favoured the teams he bet on so heavily are 6,155-1, per Eden.

That's enough proof for me. Also the FBI agent who pursued the case disagrees with you.

From the archives: How former ref Tim Donaghy conspired to fix NBA games

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games

On the anniversary of Tim Donaghy's resignation from the NBA, ESPN revisits how the disgraced referee conspired to fix NBA games, whom he did it with and the untold millions that flowed from the conspiracy.

But Scala, the FBI agent who pursued the case, has doubts. "Donaghy says he never threw a game," Scala told me. "But you know what? That never really flew with us." According to Scala, his and the FBI's position has always been that Donaghy's deals with Concannon and Battista irrevocably "tainted" his capacity for officiating, even if only subconsciously. (This notion even found its way into the Pedowitz report itself.) Scala recalls that he and Donaghy went around and around on the issue. "I said to him, 'Listen, don't tell me that you have some independent, decision-making ability in your mind's computer that's going to be unbiased, because that's not going to f---ing happen. All those gray-area decisions you have to make, Tim? Because you're betting on the game, your judgment is off -- and you threw the game.'"
Still, in Scala's telling, the FBI eventually just had to move on. Short of an outright confession, how could you prove that Donaghy had fixed the games anyway? And what more did you want? The guy's career was ruined and his life in shambles. They'd shut down a Gambino profit center. They were an organized crime squad, dealing with murder and mayhem. They had to get back to it. The Feds' job, on this one, was done.

IT WASN'T JUST Donaghy who tried to convince the FBI that he didn't fix games. The NBA did too. Whenever Scala's special agents interviewed NBA executives for the case, they heard a refrain: "They told us, 'You can't fix a game in the NBA. It's impossible,'" Scala says. Too many invested observers -- referee supervisors, coaches, players, owners, media, fans -- would be too quick to complain if they saw something fishy, the NBA argued. But as Scala put it, "When someone tells you something's impossible, you know they're full of s---, because nothing's impossible. But that was the company line."
Simply put, to show that Donaghy fixed games would suggest that it's easier for gamblers to manipulate games than any sports league would want to admit. Conspiracy theories about corrupted refs have dogged the league for decades. For that reason, the NBA is particularly wary of any hint of the fix. Even if it made them strange bedfellows, then, Donaghy's denials of match-fixing guilt were, in the end, a gift.

**lonegambler23** · 08-02-21, 08:16 PM

lol stuck up cuunts will say anything to get money

**Tuesday** · 08-02-21, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by lonegambler23

lol stuck up cuunts will say anything to get money

Totally agree.

Personally, I don't really care that he doesn't want to pay or care for his kids or girls or part his debts back to the casinos etc, we don't know what goes on in personal relationships - only thing I care about is if he bet on his own games because that puts the integrity of the game into disrepute. Even if he can't influence the outcome of the game, it still looks bad, and that can't happen.

The integrity of the player means nothing to me, he has the right to be an asshole if he want.

**Jayvegas420** · 08-03-21, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

yes, and that's all he was convicted of

Donaghy pleaded guilty last August to conspiracy to engage in wire fraud and transmitting betting information through interstate commerce in the tips-for-payoffs scheme.

It's definitely not the impression I got when I watched him stare down the barrel of a camera and tell me that he rigged basketball results.

**jjgold** · 08-03-21, 07:29 AM

no way a wife would say something like this if not partially true

Not a common thing to say when scorned

**milwaukee mike** · 08-04-21, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Jayvegas420

It's definitely not the impression I got when I watched him stare down the barrel of a camera and tell me that he rigged basketball results.

donaghy never said he rigged basketball results, quite the contrary

espn picked 40 games out of 200 to sell a story, people believed the duke lacrosse team were all guilty too

**beermankirk** · 08-09-21, 01:44 AM

been seat filler at nhl awards , seen him there. Never talked to him. Lots of folks show up there, he loves vegas. Or he used to love vegas.

**ingametrap** · 08-24-21, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by ronald

Realistically, it's very difficult for a hockey player to ensure that his team loses, unless he's the goaltender (or unless he obviously shoots the puck on his own goal).

Kane may very well have made bets for or against his own team, but it's more likely those bets would have been based on his own knowledge and perhaps even inside info about injuries, illness, etc on the team and around the league.

Not entirely true IMO. He was a first round 4th overall pick after all.

Turnovers are a big thing in hockey, and he's great at turnovers

-67 in his career in the plus/minus column.