Mets Picked up 2 Lumps at the deadline

[Fred The Hammer]

Hello? This is what I was talking about. How did it go with the guy who continued his hitting streak? Did we win, did he hit a walk off 3 run homer? No he hit a single again. Damn, why the fuk would we trade for a golden glove player who has 30 more RBI and 17 more HR. God damn, these people in charge must be stupid as shit right? It just isn't right after we hammered a pitcher that has an ERA over 5. Oh wait, we score one run, and had the bases loaded after the run with no outs. Then after scoring no runs proceeded to score no runs in the next 8 innings. Fuk, man, how stupid of the management and me to think we need a guy that can actually hit RBIs. My bad dumbfuk. My bad. Please continue......

The hitting display tonight was like fire works on the 4th. Oh nevermind it was a couple singles by the "bench mob", yep that is what will win a world series. How could we be so stupid.

The NL East is a dumpster fire. Somebody has to win, but nobody is very good. Atleast with DeGrom he might be able to win you 2 playoff games in any series, but he's 33. I had no idea he was that old.

I don't watch the Mets very often, but what the hell happened to Conforto? I thought he was going to be one of the top 4-5 hitters in the NL a few years ago. Lindor is overpaid, but he's a solid player. He was heating up.

I think you'll like Baez. He swings at all kind of bs at times, but he plays hard and he's very good defensively. Best snap tag in the game on steals. He murders lefties too and gives some balance. The Mets need to keep him around.

Overall my Reds are young besides Votto and have a nice farm system w/young pitching. IDK about the Mets farm system? You definitely need some RH hitting. I don't even like your lefties that much...atleast with Conforto hitting .200. Stroman was a good pickup though....I'd keep him! Honestly not trying to give you shit, but Atlanta should dominate for a while if they play their cards right. Philly can't get their shit together. The Nats are done for years. Your best shot is DeGrom going 16-4 and winning the CY YOung and carrying you, but I'm not telling you anything you don't know.

[konck]

knock, a legend, Mets don't need bats man. We score runs and hit well. Guy has a single in 16 straight games man, he is a hero. Like 3 RBI man.

Your a fukin moron so my last post to your sad ass
McNeils last 3 yrs 311 308 329 wheres your 3 hits you cok?
McNeil k rate less then 10%
This yr Baez 240 last yr Baez 203 ,.....k rate 39% oh geez really???? a good hitter obp 290 k rate 39%
LOL your a loser stop posting about things you don't know this guy will be getting Boo'ed badly by the end of August lock!
Plus with this sad move the Mets did not fill the need for a GOOD back end rotation pitcher and the news about Degrom being out until at least sept
broke before the dead line (my bet is he is finish this season) but we got Baez brother to Lindor oh boy ...already Rojas plays his brothers more then the Live bats we do have JD and McNeil
Adding Baez 39% k rate Nimmo 36% k rate Conforto 27 % k rate thats a HUGE amt of UNPRODUCTIVE outs way to many IMO
Also before you run you fool mouth do some work 3 rbi ?16 game hit streak? he has 15 game hit streak 14 RBI's in that streak and 7 in the last 5 games
Your baseball knowledge can fit onto the head of a pin

[konck]

Dodgers won’t win so they rented scherzer for 8-10 starts. And with Baez you just put him on a team that now is in contention. I think you underestimate his competitiveness. The Cubs were trash so sometimes players just go through the motions. Let’s see how this thread ages as the pennant heats up. People didn’t like the cesepedes trade when it first happened and he went nuts that year

Dodgers stole the show walk away with the div now an probably a great shot at WS
Scherzer was a great pk but Turner was unreal in the same deal Turner 323 30HRs 33 steals his last 154 games he is an all star
Plus I would think the Dodgers open any playoff series with Scherzer

[stevenash]

Dodgers stole the show walk away with the div now an probably a great shot at WS
Scherzer was a great pk but Turner was unreal in the same deal Turner 323 30HRs 33 steals his last 154 games he is an all star
Plus I would think the Dodgers open any playoff series with Scherzer

Dodgers bullpen is barely adequate.
I wouldn't crown them anything just yet.


Brewers have the best pitching in the NL
But that's pre-Max to LA.

I've been saying for a few months you could see a Great Lakes (Chi-Sox/Brews) World Series.
Not likely, but it could happen.

Team	W	L	SV	G	GS	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	BABIP	LOB%	GB%	HR/FB	vFA (pi)	ERA	xERA	FIP	xFIP	WAR
CHW	61	43	29	408	104	895.1	10.27	3.1	1.21	0.285	75.40%	39.90%	13.00%	95.4	3.59		3.76	3.85	16.9
NYY	54	48	26	403	102	899.2	9.7	3.06	1.16	0.278	72.40%	42.40%	12.20%	94.5	3.82		3.82	4.02	14.9
MIL	62	42	25	433	104	928	10.13	3.46	1.02	0.268	76.00%	45.80%	13.40%	93.3	3.31		3.7	3.73	14.9
LAD	62	43	31	472	105	932.1	10.03	3.12	1.1	0.267	75.30%	44.90%	13.20%	94	3.24		3.69	3.75	14.6
TBR	62	42	27	438	104	937	9.46	2.74	1.09	0.279	73.30%	42.70%	12.50%	93.7	3.53		3.67	3.83	13.3
BOS	63	42	34	451	105	923.1	9.45	3.49	1.07	0.322	73.00%	44.20%	12.40%	94.8	4.17		3.94	4.1	13.1
NYM	54	48	30	424	103	860.2	9.7	3.12	1.14	0.287	74.20%	43.40%	13.90%	95.1	3.61		3.83	3.82	12.9
SFG	64	39	36	458	103	915.2	8.87	2.67	1.02	0.267	74.40%	46.20%	11.90%	93.5	3.35		3.69	3.92	11.7
OAK	59	46	26	415	105	930.2	8.55	2.72	1.09	0.286	74.90%	40.10%	10.90%	93.3	3.68		3.87	4.28	11.5
MIA	44	59	18	483	103	903	8.76	3.23	0.92	0.28	73.10%	44.60%	11.00%	93.8	3.55		3.79	4.13	10.9
SDP	60	46	36	501	107	941.2	9.58	3.19	1.15	0.285	75.90%	44.40%	13.60%	94.4	3.58		3.95	3.97	10.8
HOU	64	40	23	418	104	927	9.16	3.4	1.17	0.268	74.90%	43.00%	13.10%	93.2	3.72		4.09	4.17	10.7
ATL	51	53	22	476	105	905	9.16	3.5	1.17	0.294	72.70%	43.30%	13.30%	94.2	4.18		4.13	4.18	9.8
PHI	51	52	23	427	103	897	9.39	3.24	1.34	0.303	71.10%	45.10%	15.60%	94	4.51		4.25	4.02	9.5
SEA	56	48	29	466	104	913.2	8.47	3.25	1.2	0.293	69.80%	42.70%	12.60%	93.4	4.54		4.25	4.41	8.9
LAA	51	52	25	456	103	905.2	9.7	3.97	1.26	0.302	68.90%	45.20%	15.00%	92.8	4.79		4.29	4.13	8.8
CIN	55	49	29	490	104	928	9.75	4.18	1.35	0.298	72.20%	43.20%	15.10%	94.3	4.56		4.49	4.31	8.3
COL	45	59	18	434	104	896	8.08	3.55	1.28	0.293	70.00%	45.60%	15.00%	94.4	4.68		4.53	4.37	8
BAL	36	66	17	447	102	882.1	8.58	3.63	1.52	0.311	68.70%	39.70%	14.70%	93	5.46		4.81	4.66	7
CLE	50	50	26	435	100	866	9.53	3.61	1.39	0.288	72.50%	43.40%	15.60%	94	4.48		4.38	4.15	6.9
WSN	48	55	25	450	103	882	8.8	3.33	1.44	0.281	71.70%	41.10%	14.80%	93.4	4.42		4.53	4.38	6.8
KCR	45	57	23	444	102	884	8.87	3.96	1.26	0.307	70.10%	42.60%	13.40%	93.7	4.95		4.47	4.51	6.6
STL	52	51	29	458	103	896.1	7.98	4.41	0.91	0.274	72.50%	43.40%	10.40%	93.7	4.22		4.42	4.85	6.6
DET	50	56	24	475	106	918	8.21	3.64	1.35	0.286	70.70%	44.80%	14.40%	94.1	4.64		4.7	4.61	6.3
TOR	52	48	18	442	100	863.2	9.46	3.23	1.42	0.284	75.60%	43.90%	15.50%	93.4	3.99		4.32	4.09	5.3
CHC	50	55	27	489	105	920.1	8.98	3.87	1.36	0.281	74.60%	44.90%	16.00%	92.8	4.19		4.62	4.34	5
MIN	43	61	24	432	104	907	8.4	3.05	1.52	0.295	66.90%	41.60%	15.50%	92.4	5.01		4.62	4.37	4.7
PIT	39	64	15	460	103	886.1	8.61	3.84	1.33	0.294	69.60%	42.50%	14.10%	93.4	4.96		4.62	4.57	3.9
ARI	33	71	13	462	104	904	8.07	3.44	1.49	0.306	67.60%	41.00%	14.50%	92.3	5.34		4.85	4.74	3.1
TEX	36	67	18	413	103	902	8.11	3.2	1.47	0.292	70.70%	43.30%	15.50%	93.8	4.76		4.66	4.42	2.9

[konck]

Dodgers bullpen is barely adequate.
I wouldn't crown them anything just yet.


Brewers have the best pitching in the NL
But that's pre-Max to LA.

I've been saying for a few months you could see a Great Lakes (Chi-Sox/Brews) World Series.
Not likely, but it could happen.

Team	W	L	SV	G	GS	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	BABIP	LOB%	GB%	HR/FB	vFA (pi)	ERA	xERA	FIP	xFIP	WAR
CHW	61	43	29	408	104	895.1	10.27	3.1	1.21	0.285	75.40%	39.90%	13.00%	95.4	3.59		3.76	3.85	16.9
NYY	54	48	26	403	102	899.2	9.7	3.06	1.16	0.278	72.40%	42.40%	12.20%	94.5	3.82		3.82	4.02	14.9
MIL	62	42	25	433	104	928	10.13	3.46	1.02	0.268	76.00%	45.80%	13.40%	93.3	3.31		3.7	3.73	14.9
LAD	62	43	31	472	105	932.1	10.03	3.12	1.1	0.267	75.30%	44.90%	13.20%	94	3.24		3.69	3.75	14.6
TBR	62	42	27	438	104	937	9.46	2.74	1.09	0.279	73.30%	42.70%	12.50%	93.7	3.53		3.67	3.83	13.3
BOS	63	42	34	451	105	923.1	9.45	3.49	1.07	0.322	73.00%	44.20%	12.40%	94.8	4.17		3.94	4.1	13.1
NYM	54	48	30	424	103	860.2	9.7	3.12	1.14	0.287	74.20%	43.40%	13.90%	95.1	3.61		3.83	3.82	12.9
SFG	64	39	36	458	103	915.2	8.87	2.67	1.02	0.267	74.40%	46.20%	11.90%	93.5	3.35		3.69	3.92	11.7
OAK	59	46	26	415	105	930.2	8.55	2.72	1.09	0.286	74.90%	40.10%	10.90%	93.3	3.68		3.87	4.28	11.5
MIA	44	59	18	483	103	903	8.76	3.23	0.92	0.28	73.10%	44.60%	11.00%	93.8	3.55		3.79	4.13	10.9
SDP	60	46	36	501	107	941.2	9.58	3.19	1.15	0.285	75.90%	44.40%	13.60%	94.4	3.58		3.95	3.97	10.8
HOU	64	40	23	418	104	927	9.16	3.4	1.17	0.268	74.90%	43.00%	13.10%	93.2	3.72		4.09	4.17	10.7
ATL	51	53	22	476	105	905	9.16	3.5	1.17	0.294	72.70%	43.30%	13.30%	94.2	4.18		4.13	4.18	9.8
PHI	51	52	23	427	103	897	9.39	3.24	1.34	0.303	71.10%	45.10%	15.60%	94	4.51		4.25	4.02	9.5
SEA	56	48	29	466	104	913.2	8.47	3.25	1.2	0.293	69.80%	42.70%	12.60%	93.4	4.54		4.25	4.41	8.9
LAA	51	52	25	456	103	905.2	9.7	3.97	1.26	0.302	68.90%	45.20%	15.00%	92.8	4.79		4.29	4.13	8.8
CIN	55	49	29	490	104	928	9.75	4.18	1.35	0.298	72.20%	43.20%	15.10%	94.3	4.56		4.49	4.31	8.3
COL	45	59	18	434	104	896	8.08	3.55	1.28	0.293	70.00%	45.60%	15.00%	94.4	4.68		4.53	4.37	8
BAL	36	66	17	447	102	882.1	8.58	3.63	1.52	0.311	68.70%	39.70%	14.70%	93	5.46		4.81	4.66	7
CLE	50	50	26	435	100	866	9.53	3.61	1.39	0.288	72.50%	43.40%	15.60%	94	4.48		4.38	4.15	6.9
WSN	48	55	25	450	103	882	8.8	3.33	1.44	0.281	71.70%	41.10%	14.80%	93.4	4.42		4.53	4.38	6.8
KCR	45	57	23	444	102	884	8.87	3.96	1.26	0.307	70.10%	42.60%	13.40%	93.7	4.95		4.47	4.51	6.6
STL	52	51	29	458	103	896.1	7.98	4.41	0.91	0.274	72.50%	43.40%	10.40%	93.7	4.22		4.42	4.85	6.6
DET	50	56	24	475	106	918	8.21	3.64	1.35	0.286	70.70%	44.80%	14.40%	94.1	4.64		4.7	4.61	6.3
TOR	52	48	18	442	100	863.2	9.46	3.23	1.42	0.284	75.60%	43.90%	15.50%	93.4	3.99		4.32	4.09	5.3
CHC	50	55	27	489	105	920.1	8.98	3.87	1.36	0.281	74.60%	44.90%	16.00%	92.8	4.19		4.62	4.34	5
MIN	43	61	24	432	104	907	8.4	3.05	1.52	0.295	66.90%	41.60%	15.50%	92.4	5.01		4.62	4.37	4.7
PIT	39	64	15	460	103	886.1	8.61	3.84	1.33	0.294	69.60%	42.50%	14.10%	93.4	4.96		4.62	4.57	3.9
ARI	33	71	13	462	104	904	8.07	3.44	1.49	0.306	67.60%	41.00%	14.50%	92.3	5.34		4.85	4.74	3.1
TEX	36	67	18	413	103	902	8.11	3.2	1.47	0.292	70.70%	43.30%	15.50%	93.8	4.76		4.66	4.42	2.9

Playoff pitching wise I still love the Dodgers but the bats with Turner being added an Seager coming back to me make them
Favs during playoffs I imagine some starters going to the BP to help
Whats the div price for the Dodgers>?

[stevenash]

Playoff pitching wise I still love the Dodgers but the bats with Turner being added an Seager coming back to me make them
Favs during playoffs I imagine some starters going to the BP to help
Whats the div price for the Dodgers>?

Funny you should mention this.
Yahoo sports just wrote a nice piece yesterday on all the updated futures MLB odds after the trading deadline window closed.

I'll have to fetch the article (it's still out there) because I forget all the updated numbers, but LAD is odds on to win the division now, no value there.

I was seeking value on the White Sox, all I can get is +340 to win the AL (real odds are +390)
Books are not in business to give me an edge, I get that.
I can't get good value now on any futures.

Ten teams make the playoffs (five in each league) eight teams are already pretty much locked up.
Eight teams have better than a 64 percent chance right now of reaching post season.

Six teams have 90 percent or better chance of reaching post season.

*note* Which division is not represented here?
Win valuable prizes.

I'll post the rest of the league later.
But there are no pennant races per se, they're pretty much decided already, it's now a which team gets seeded where race.

							Current			Remaining			Average			90% Confidence											Change
	Tm	Lg	D	SRS	rSOS		W	L		W	L		W	L		Best	Worst		Postâ–¼	WC	Div	LDS	LCS	Pennant	Win WS		1 Day	7 Days	30 Days
1	San Francisco Giants	NL	W	1.2	0.2		64	39		33.6	25.4		97.6	64.4		104-58	92-70		99.70%	39.50%	60.20%	82.80%	42.30%	24.50%	13.30%		0.00%	0.00%	1.90%
2	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL	W	1.4	0		62	43		34	23		96	66		102-60	90-72		98.90%	62.80%	36.10%	71.00%	40.20%	25.50%	14.40%		0.20%	-0.40%	0.30%
1	Chicago White Sox	AL	C	0.6	-0.2		61	43		32.3	25.7		93.3	68.7		100-62	87-75		98.70%	0.10%	98.60%	98.60%	45.10%	18.90%	9.50%		0.10%	-0.30%	0.80%
1	Houston Astros	AL	W	1.2	-0.3		64	40		34.3	23.7		98.3	63.7		104-58	92-70		98.60%	6.90%	91.70%	95.10%	51.20%	28.50%	13.40%		-0.80%	0.40%	7.20%
1	Milwaukee Brewers	NL	C	0.8	-0.2		62	42		32.9	25.1		94.9	67.1		101-61	89-73		98.50%	1.60%	96.90%	97.50%	56.50%	26.20%	12.60%		1.00%	7.40%	18.40%
1	Tampa Bay Rays	AL	E	1.2	-0.1		62	42		34	24		96	66		102-60	90-72		94.70%	31.00%	63.70%	79.90%	44.80%	24.80%	12.90%		-0.10%	-0.80%	4.30%
2	Boston Red Sox	AL	E	0.6	0		63	42		30.7	26.3		93.7	68.3		100-62	88-74		88.30%	56.80%	31.50%	59.00%	26.50%	11.30%	5.00%		-5.90%	-5.20%	2.40%
3	San Diego Padres	NL	W	0.9	0.3		60	46		29.6	25.4		89.6	71.4		96-65	83-78		79.60%	75.90%	3.70%	37.90%	17.10%	9.50%	5.40%		-2.60%	-14.50%	-16.20%
2	Oakland Athletics	AL	W	0.7	0		59	46		31.5	25.5		90.5	71.5		97-65	84-78		64.50%	56.40%	8.10%	37.20%	17.70%	9.10%	4.80%		8.80%	10.00%	-8.50%

[Brock Landers]

Baez Is a complete joke

Never throw him a fastball, he will swing and miss an alarming amount.

[Fred The Hammer]

Funny you should mention this.
Yahoo sports just wrote a nice piece yesterday on all the updated futures MLB odds after the trading deadline window closed.

I'll have to fetch the article (it's still out there) because I forget all the updated numbers, but LAD is odds on to win the division now, no value there.

I was seeking value on the White Sox, all I can get is +340 to win the AL (real odds are +390)
Books are not in business to give me an edge, I get that.
I can't get good value now on any futures.

Ten teams make the playoffs (five in each league) eight teams are already pretty much locked up.
Eight teams have better than a 64 percent chance right now of reaching post season.

Six teams have 90 percent or better chance of reaching post season.

*note* Which division is not represented here?
Win valuable prizes.

I'll post the rest of the league later.
But there are no pennant races per se, they're pretty much decided already, it's now a which team gets seeded where race.

							Current			Remaining			Average			90% Confidence											Change
	Tm	Lg	D	SRS	rSOS		W	L		W	L		W	L		Best	Worst		Postâ–¼	WC	Div	LDS	LCS	Pennant	Win WS		1 Day	7 Days	30 Days
1	San Francisco Giants	NL	W	1.2	0.2		64	39		33.6	25.4		97.6	64.4		104-58	92-70		99.70%	39.50%	60.20%	82.80%	42.30%	24.50%	13.30%		0.00%	0.00%	1.90%
2	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL	W	1.4	0		62	43		34	23		96	66		102-60	90-72		98.90%	62.80%	36.10%	71.00%	40.20%	25.50%	14.40%		0.20%	-0.40%	0.30%
1	Chicago White Sox	AL	C	0.6	-0.2		61	43		32.3	25.7		93.3	68.7		100-62	87-75		98.70%	0.10%	98.60%	98.60%	45.10%	18.90%	9.50%		0.10%	-0.30%	0.80%
1	Houston Astros	AL	W	1.2	-0.3		64	40		34.3	23.7		98.3	63.7		104-58	92-70		98.60%	6.90%	91.70%	95.10%	51.20%	28.50%	13.40%		-0.80%	0.40%	7.20%
1	Milwaukee Brewers	NL	C	0.8	-0.2		62	42		32.9	25.1		94.9	67.1		101-61	89-73		98.50%	1.60%	96.90%	97.50%	56.50%	26.20%	12.60%		1.00%	7.40%	18.40%
1	Tampa Bay Rays	AL	E	1.2	-0.1		62	42		34	24		96	66		102-60	90-72		94.70%	31.00%	63.70%	79.90%	44.80%	24.80%	12.90%		-0.10%	-0.80%	4.30%
2	Boston Red Sox	AL	E	0.6	0		63	42		30.7	26.3		93.7	68.3		100-62	88-74		88.30%	56.80%	31.50%	59.00%	26.50%	11.30%	5.00%		-5.90%	-5.20%	2.40%
3	San Diego Padres	NL	W	0.9	0.3		60	46		29.6	25.4		89.6	71.4		96-65	83-78		79.60%	75.90%	3.70%	37.90%	17.10%	9.50%	5.40%		-2.60%	-14.50%	-16.20%
2	Oakland Athletics	AL	W	0.7	0		59	46		31.5	25.5		90.5	71.5		97-65	84-78		64.50%	56.40%	8.10%	37.20%	17.70%	9.10%	4.80%		8.80%	10.00%	-8.50%

I wouldn't take the White Sox at +500 personally. Red Sox are getting back Chris Sale. Houston has been on fire all year. I just don't trust Giolito or Rodon. Lynn is pretty good, but not an ace imo.

[goduke]

Baez two run homer in his first game with mets. Didn’t here any boos yet. I think this guy is going to tear it up and when lindor comes back it’s going to keep his motivation up

[jjgold]

Mets not even a top seven team in baseball I don’t know what you guys are watching

[goduke]

Mets not even a top seven team in baseball I don’t know what you guys are watching

They are in top 5 in NL so they’ve got a shot

[Fred The Hammer]

Goddamn what a joke for my Reds. Just totally gave another game away. Thats atleast 7-8 games where they led after 7 and lost this year.

First of all a 2 run hr to Baez on a 1-2 pitch? If you get 2 strikes on him then its a K. He swings at everything....just pitch him away.

Then bottom of the 9th. Reds up 4-3 and Bell puts a lefty up against Smith who kills lefties? Just walk him and let your closer pitch to sorry ass Kevin Pillar. Hembree already struck out Baez and McCann. Hembree is great against righties GAME OVER

OR just leave Lorenzen in the 9th. He pitched 1 inning last night on 8 pitches and the 8th tonite and nobody got a ball out of the infield. Just leave him in? Threw 12 pitches in the 8th.

Bell is a goddamn retard. Its like the other teams pay him

[Fred The Hammer]

Mets not even a top seven team in baseball I don’t know what you guys are watching

Who said they were? Dude wanted to talk Mets so we're talking Mets. Somebody has to win that shitty division and I wouldn't want to face DeGrom twice in any playoff series. Phillies just lost 2 straight to the sorry ass Pirates

[TheGoldenGoose]

AL EAST is where it's at.

[KiDBaZkiT]

It could be worse. At least your team isn't changing their name to the Guardians

They should of just renamed them the “Natives” if they wanted to be politically correct.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Konck seems obsessed with batting average but does not like the slick fielding run producing Baez or high on base % of Nimmo.

The game has passed him by.

[konck]

Konck seems obsessed with batting average but does not like the slick fielding run producing Baez or high on base % of Nimmo.

The game has passed him by.

Jake the Fake has spoken lol go play your 80 hrs of fake poker eat up pts for SBR
I laugh at your comments
Heading down to Miami to watch the Mets this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevenash]

Konck seems obsessed with batting average but does not like the slick fielding run producing Baez or high on base % of Nimmo.

The game has passed him by.

For real.

I've been placing a premium on up the middle defense since I've been studying baseball.

1984 Tigers.

You think they win wire to wire without three (should have been all four) elite up the middle defense gold glovers?

C. Lance Parrish
2B Lou Whittaker
SS Alan Trammell
CF Chet Lemon

Three of them won gold that year, and CF Chet Lemon should have won a Gold Glove that year too but got ripped off IMO

There's a reason why Detroit had a +/- of almost 200 runs that year.

Ask Milt Wilcox and Dan Petry why they won 18 and 17 games.
Ask Dan Petry how many runs Whittaker and Trammell saved him?
Jack Morris could have won 19 that year in a coma so I'll leave him out of this conversation.

I cringe when people say pitching and defense doesn't win.

1970's Big Red Machines.
Stellar, once in a lifetime defensive unit.
Never gets any credit.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Jake the Fake has spoken lol go play your 80 hrs of fake poker eat up pts for SBR
I laugh at your comments
Heading down to Miami to watch the Mets this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get some psychiatric help, we are worried about you!!

[konck]

Get some psychiatric help, we are worried about you!!

Jake I would rather have baseball pass me by then play 60 to 80 hrs a week an have life pass me by playing fake poker.
Go outside an look at the sun once in a while ...talk to people in real life GL to you

[konck]

My whole point was this
Mets need ......#1 at least back end rotation worth a damn .....did they get it NO
Mets have Smith in LF and even though he is learning Im ok with his progress there
Nimmo in CF just at best an avg glove for CF he is more suited for the corners, Plus he needs to cut his k rate (36%) way down.
Conforto is what I consider the most over rated OF in MLB he is the Mets Ike Davis (wait you probably don't know Ike Davis
Ike was a star in the making for like 8 yrs one day he was going to be great ...never happened )
So the Mets need before the dead line Pitching and OF we got 2 slob pitchers both will prove worthless and zero OF help.
On the INF Alonso at 1b awesome Mcneil at 2b very good Lindor at ss good JD at 3b learning his glove has been ok this yr his bat is live but
struggling lately.
The INF subs Vellar Guillorme an Peraza ..supposedly its only a couple of more weeks for Lindor.
So my point is Baez filled zero needs Maybe you think 240 with a 39% k rate is exciting the HRs an whatever yea ok but it's not what the Mets needed for a div win ...which we must win or no playoffs.
That's all I'm just not excited at how the Mets handled the deadline moves and I hope it doesn't bite us
They should have done a better job
If Rojas were to bench Conforto an Play McNeil in RF im actually ok with the move ...... but its more likely JD goes to the bench an McNeil will play some 3rd an ride the pine more as Rojas will play his brothers (Guillorme Peraza and Vellar)

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Jake I would rather have baseball pass me by then play 60 to 80 hrs a week an have life pass me by playing fake poker.
Go outside an look at the sun once in a while ...talk to people in real life GL to you

Interesting since you are in almost every tournament I play

[konck]

Interesting since you are in almost every tournament I play

lol i play once or twice a week how did you come up with that.
Go meet people Jake I play so little I havent cashed in this new tourny yet i think im 0 for 5 or 6
I may put an hour or 2 on the weekend ring games

[pavyracer]

Mets haven't got any wins since they picked up their coal lumps. Konck is vindicated again. This is why he is a legend here.

[konck]

Mets haven't got any wins since they picked up their coal lumps. Konck is vindicated again. This is why he is a legend here.

Actually your the legend paver.....remember that cougar

[konck]

Thanks for the replies everyone ....its good to see this forum debate over sports once in a while
Im done
I love Steve Cohen at least he's buying stars that aren't way pasted prime,
We do not have a brain trust like TBay Oak or Bosox but he is working on building that.
Sandy is still in charge which isn't a good thing we need change there.
Have a great weekend everyone
I'll be heading to Miami to seen the Mets on Tuesday (missing mondays game)

[stevenash]

Thanks for the replies everyone ....its good to see this forum debate over sports once in a while
Im done
I love Steve Cohen at least he's buying stars that aren't way pasted prime,
We do not have a brain trust like TBay Oak or Bosox but he is working on building that.
Sandy is still in charge which isn't a good thing we need change there.
Have a great weekend everyone
I'll be heading to Miami to seen the Mets on Tuesday (missing mondays game)

Not a Mets fan and don't even pretend to be one but from where I sit the new front office group is pointed in the right direction.

[unde0087]

Thanks for the replies everyone ....its good to see this forum debate over sports once in a while
Im done
I love Steve Cohen at least he's buying stars that aren't way pasted prime,
We do not have a brain trust like TBay Oak or Bosox but he is working on building that.
Sandy is still in charge which isn't a good thing we need change there.
Have a great weekend everyone
I'll be heading to Miami to seen the Mets on Tuesday (missing mondays game)

Ya, shitty when the guy you do nothing but talk shit about homered in his first game and was the one who started the comeback. We know you are a total dumbass. It is okay. Great job. It was just perfect that he delivered in his first game to shut your dumbass up. Blah blah blah blah blah. That is what I hear. Again, you are so right. Stupid to get the guy who is 4th in homers in the league and is a golden glove. What the fuk are the Mets doing?

[unde0087]

Guy is a total fukin dipshit

[jjgold]

Mets lol

They are horrible

[konck]

For real.

I've been placing a premium on up the middle defense since I've been studying baseball.

1984 Tigers.

You think they win wire to wire without three (should have been all four) elite up the middle defense gold glovers?

C. Lance Parrish
2B Lou Whittaker
SS Alan Trammell
CF Chet Lemon

Three of them won gold that year, and CF Chet Lemon should have won a Gold Glove that year too but got ripped off IMO

There's a reason why Detroit had a +/- of almost 200 runs that year.

Ask Milt Wilcox and Dan Petry why they won 18 and 17 games.
Ask Dan Petry how many runs Whittaker and Trammell saved him?
Jack Morris could have won 19 that year in a coma so I'll leave him out of this conversation.

I cringe when people say pitching and defense doesn't win.

1970's Big Red Machines.
Stellar, once in a lifetime defensive unit.
Never gets any credit.

I don't get it
I love pitching and defense Ive said that forever
The game today is long ball period they lost a lot of the art of baseball.
Less hit n run less bunting less stealing and I can't figure out why?

BTW Steve compare your guys to a Baez who is the today type player low avg high k rate big HRs

Trammell
285 avg
obp 352
10% k rate
nothing like Baez

Whittaker
avg 276
obp 363
12% K rate

Lemon
273 avg
obp 355
14% k rate

an even parrish
avg252
obp 313
21% k rate

so where do you think they compare to Baez aside from gold glove
I just watched a MLB special were they talked about over rated players Baez was #2
Doesn't shock me
I know the game played an coached I understand strong up the middle def
but me I still believe in little ball ....its a lost art

[konck]

Ya, shitty when the guy you do nothing but talk shit about homered in his first game and was the one who started the comeback. We know you are a total dumbass. It is okay. Great job. It was just perfect that he delivered in his first game to shut your dumbass up. Blah blah blah blah blah. That is what I hear. Again, you are so right. Stupid to get the guy who is 4th in homers in the league and is a golden glove. What the fuk are the Mets doing?

You really are that stupid
Yep

[TheMetsSuck]

Not too shabby

[stevenash]

I don't get it
I love pitching and defense Ive said that forever
The game today is long ball period they lost a lot of the art of baseball.
Less hit n run less bunting less stealing and I can't figure out why?

BTW Steve compare your guys to a Baez who is the today type player low avg high k rate big HRs

Trammell
285 avg
obp 352
10% k rate
nothing like Baez

Whittaker
avg 276
obp 363
12% K rate

Lemon
273 avg
obp 355
14% k rate

an even parrish
avg252
obp 313
21% k rate

so where do you think they compare to Baez aside from gold glove
I just watched a MLB special were they talked about over rated players Baez was #2
Doesn't shock me
I know the game played an coached I understand strong up the middle def
but me I still believe in little ball ....its a lost art

My all time favorite team, the 2015 KC Royals.

How'd they win it all in 2015?
Defense, a three headed monster of a bullpen, and little small ball.
Best K ratio (struck out the least) best team OBA, slap those singles and doubles keep the line moving offense...

Oh, not for nothing, next to dead last in power numbers.
Just the way Bill James and Billy Beane dreamt it up.

[konck]

My all time favorite team, the 2015 KC Royals.

How'd they win it all in 2015?
Defense, a three headed monster of a bullpen, and little small ball.
Best K ratio (struck out the least) best team OBA, slap those singles and doubles keep the line moving offense...

Oh, not for nothing, next to dead last in power numbers.
Just the way Bill James and Billy Beane dreamt it up.

I actually scored that yr begining of August took Mets KC H2H WS price was 33-1