The England national team penalty meltdown

[DrunkHorseplayer]

i believe horsey here


but the thing is, what is the purpose of life?


to advance technology or to be happy/peaceful within your self

i think advancements are too much

That might be true but without technological advancement, you would, on average, be dead at 25 instead of 75.

[RudyRuetigger]

That might be true but without technological advancement, you would, on average, be dead at 25 instead of 75.

we really dont know if that is a good or bad thing


i agree, it is probably worse but we cant compare life to death....


we can only compare the goal of life as to what it should be...knowledge/happiness/religious/w.e


in my opinion

[Yulia74]

Can you imagine the abuse if 3 white first generation Nigerians missed 3 penalties to lose the African Cup of Nations?

beano is alive

[jtoler]

i believe horsey here


but the thing is, what is the purpose of life?


to advance technology or to be happy/peaceful within your self

i think advancements are too much

you can believe horsey but horsey’s wrong easy to prove that. technology was purposely readministered to enslave humanity the things we think we can’t live without are either killing us are used to track and spy. “citizen” is just a fancy word for colonized people

[RudyRuetigger]

you can believe horsey but horsey’s wrong easy to prove that. technology was purposely readministered to enslave humanity the things we think we can’t live without are either killing us are used to track and spy. “citizen” is just a fancy word for colonized people

you clearly didnt read my posts in this thread

[jtoler]

I read your posts in relation to u quoting me

[beantown34]

they dont have black field goal kickers. you dont have black PK takers

pretty simple really

[stevenash]

Hell, black people make fun of white people as well

Absolutely.
They're constantly reminding us we have small roosters.

[Goat Milk]

Well Sterling, arguably the best player for them this tourny, didn't even take one I think, right? If you're the best or second best player on the team, how do you sit on the sidelines while watching 5 guys go ahead of you? He is a pussy for that. An elite player would demand to take one. He's not letting some 19 yr old kid go ahead of him.

[beantown34]

Well Sterling, arguably the best player for them this tourny, didn't even take one I think, right? If you're the best or second best player on the team, how do you sit on the sidelines while watching 5 guys go ahead of you? He is a pussy for that. An elite player would demand to take one. He's not letting some 19 yr old kid go ahead of him.

apparently the subs had studied hours to figure out what to do. thats why southgate put them ahead of pretty much better players. but that puts too much pressure on them. too much thinking

[lakerboy]

Well Sterling, arguably the best player for them this tourny, didn't even take one I think, right? If you're the best or second best player on the team, how do you sit on the sidelines while watching 5 guys go ahead of you? He is a pussy for that. An elite player would demand to take one. He's not letting some 19 yr old kid go ahead of him.

Sterling isn't a good spot kick taker.

[slayer14]

Well it damm obvious where it went wrong Sterling and Grealish should have taken penalty

[WinDove]

sad to see the lions lose again

[slayer14]

I don't think England will go far in world cup maybe only quarter final stage

[thomorino]

I wouldn’t call it a meltdown, they missed a couple penalties, with some hitting the post.

[thomorino]

I don't think England will go far in world cup maybe only quarter final stage

They have the talent to go far if they replace Southgate.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

you can believe horsey but horsey’s wrong easy to prove that. technology was purposely readministered to enslave humanity the things we think we can’t live without are either killing us are used to track and spy. “citizen” is just a fancy word for colonized people

Cue the twilight zone music.

[packerd_00]

I don't think England will go far in world cup maybe only quarter final stage

Sure they can now Australia that's a team I dont see going anywhere.

[Goat Milk]

Sterling isn't a good spot kick taker.

Too much statistics and all that. You let your best player take the penalty kicks imo. That's like drawing up a 3 for Trevor Ariza because he's a better corner shooter than Bryant statistically when you're going for the tie/win. But there is no stat to measure heart. You just can't put that pressure on a 19 yr old kid. Ideally you want veterans taking the final kick, not even the best player. When Mbappe was taking that final kick for France, I knew it wasn't going in before he even stepped up. He's what, like 22. Put that pressure on the shoulders of a 30 yr old and you're much more likely to make that kick. England manager melted imo.

[lonegambler23]

They choked because Morino was on them. Only explanation.

yup morino abuse>racial abuse

[daneblazer]

Too much statistics and all that. You let your best player take the penalty kicks imo. That's like drawing up a 3 for Trevor Ariza because he's a better corner shooter than Bryant statistically when you're going for the tie/win. But there is no stat to measure heart. You just can't put that pressure on a 19 yr old kid. Ideally you want veterans taking the final kick, not even the best player. When Mbappe was taking that final kick for France, I knew it wasn't going in before he even stepped up. He's what, like 22. Put that pressure on the shoulders of a 30 yr old and you're much more likely to make that kick. England manager melted imo.

Start your studs

[pavyracer]

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Only comment I'll make:

*Why did Grealish and Sterling not shoot Penalties?

Sancho and Saka are young players. The slightly more veteran players should have asked to take them.

[semibluff]

Only comment I'll make:

*Why did Grealish and Sterling not shoot Penalties?

Sancho and Saka are young players. The slightly more veteran players should have asked to take them.

Sterling is 2/5 lifetime converting penalties. Grealish has only taken 1 penalty in his professional career. That was January 2016.

[stevenash]

Too much statistics and all that. You let your best player take the penalty kicks imo. That's like drawing up a 3 for Trevor Ariza because he's a better corner shooter than Bryant statistically when you're going for the tie/win. But there is no stat to measure heart.

It's not an exact science but there sort of is.

In the NBA world of analytics (my main focus) clutch (or heart, or apply what ever term you want to use) clutch statistics are applied to individual efforts when the game differential is five points or less with five minutes or less remaining in the contest.

The formula is pretty involved, what's the individuals OFF rating when he's on the court in those five point/five minute situations for instance, subtract the DEF rating for the individual, then factor in turnovers/ assists, etc. etc. well you get this gist of it...

Care to guess (using the NBA analytics formula) who was the most 'clutch' NBA player in the regular season?
Paul George is the playoffs clutch leader analytically speaking by far, to this date, but that's not the question.

MLB has their own 'clutch' metrics.
That's defined as tied games or pressure situations late in games...
But that's another story for another day, it's also time consuming to explain it all in one post and my time is money.

Listen, I know there's many that downplay sports analytics and all but to ignore the metrics all together is just ignorant,

[Optional]

Sure they can now Australia that's a team I dont see going anywhere.

That doesn't really take a crystal ball

[semibluff]

I don't care whether the people involved are black or white.

Most Europeans play soccer when they are kids. Most take penalties at some point, even if it's just for fun in the playground. Most learn, (or are taught), that the simplest technique is a 2-step, (including plant foot), and kick technique. You have a quick practice swing/kick without the ball on the spot to test the footing then you aim 2-3 feet inside a post and 2-3 feet under the cross-bar. Accuracy is more important than blasting it.

Not 1 of the 10 penalty-takers took a practice swing/kick. Of the 10 penalties taken only the 4th and 5th penalties were remotely good. 8 of the 10 penalties were off-target or put where the keeper could expect to save it. This is what you get when players are told to 'express themselves' rather than stick to solid fundamentals. The lack of coaching and personal responsibility goes far beyond the 2, (white) coaches involved in the final. It's sad but soccer has long since gone down the road of bringing in gifted athletes with low sports IQs rather than canny but less athletic sportsmen. It's a look-at-me World of Rabonas and Panenkas.

[stevenash]

^
Excellent post.

I'm only an occasional soccer fan (not enough time to follow every sport) but it seems to me I'd rather have one of my players that's been involved in the match take my penalty kick over a stone cold bench player who has sat the bench for four hours.

Providing the bench player isn't a PK specialist sniper type that can make a PK in a coma so to speak.

[packerd_00]

That doesn't really take a crystal ball

Yeah mate I was just taking the mickey, I get your point though low hanging fruit

[pavyracer]

The don't teach fundamentals anymore in soccer pks.

The most accurate pk is the one called "Panenka" kick after first used in 1976 by the Czech player.

The goalie has no chance to stop this.

[bosigga]

^
Excellent post.

I'm only an occasional soccer fan (not enough time to follow every sport) but it seems to me I'd rather have one of my players that's been involved in the match take my penalty kick over a stone cold bench player who has sat the bench for four hours.

Providing the bench player isn't a PK specialist sniper type that can make a PK in a coma so to speak.

Agreed. I didn’t like bringing them on in the 119th minute ice cold. Knew it wasn’t going to end well for them. Bring them in sooner to get a touch or two, or hell, even try and win the game before penalties.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Sterling is 2/5 lifetime converting penalties. Grealish has only taken 1 penalty in his professional career. That was January 2016.

Salud, bluff. Good info.

Sports are great theatre. We play it and try to figure out answers. If 2/3 made the PK, they'd be at the parade.

A little bit of a shame that Pickford saves went to waste. Pick really had a great tournament.

[Goat Milk]

It's not an exact science but there sort of is.

In the NBA world of analytics (my main focus) clutch (or heart, or apply what ever term you want to use) clutch statistics are applied to individual efforts when the game differential is five points or less with five minutes or less remaining in the contest.

The formula is pretty involved, what's the individuals OFF rating when he's on the court in those five point/five minute situations for instance, subtract the DEF rating for the individual, then factor in turnovers/ assists, etc. etc. well you get this gist of it...

Care to guess (using the NBA analytics formula) who was the most 'clutch' NBA player in the regular season?
Paul George is the playoffs clutch leader analytically speaking by far, to this date, but that's not the question.

MLB has their own 'clutch' metrics.
That's defined as tied games or pressure situations late in games...
But that's another story for another day, it's also time consuming to explain it all in one post and my time is money.

Listen, I know there's many that downplay sports analytics and all but to ignore the metrics all together is just ignorant,

Let me tell you a story Nash.

Do you know why Kobe was so clutch against Denver in his career in the palyoffs? Because George Karl benched Bryant in the all star game in like 97 or 98, and Kobe said after "I will never allow George Karl to beat me in the playoffs." He wrote about it in his book. No algorithm, Vegas stat, or anything, will ever remember that. Kobe didn't hit those shots against Denver because of any Metrics, he hit them because he refused to let George Karl beat him in the playoffs, and Karl never did.

There are too many storylines that clutch metrics or heart, whatever you want to call it, cannot account for. Your father is in the stands. Your playing on mother's day, and you just lost your mother last year. You're playing in your hometown. It's your first game against your former team, going back to that stadium. The list goes on and on. Usually, those are the factors that no model, no metric, can account for.

Your analytics say George was clutch in the playoffs, but the reality is, he was not. He single handedly lost a game, by himself, in the WCF, by missing the two most important free throws of his career which would have ended the game on the spot. Nothing you do can redeem that, unless you win the series, which he didn't. Therefore, metrics don't mean much to me.

[Thrilla]

The don't teach fundamentals anymore in soccer pks.

The most accurate pk is the one called "Panenka" kick after first used in 1976 by the Czech player.

The goalie has no chance to stop this.

Hope you're not serious. Most accurate and no chance lol. How about a failed panenka compilation video next?

[stevenash]

Let me tell you a story Nash.

Do you know why Kobe was so clutch against Denver in his career in the palyoffs? Because George Karl benched Bryant in the all star game in like 97 or 98, and Kobe said after "I will never allow George Karl to beat me in the playoffs." He wrote about it in his book. No algorithm, Vegas stat, or anything, will ever remember that. Kobe didn't hit those shots against Denver because of any Metrics, he hit them because he refused to let George Karl beat him in the playoffs, and Karl never did.

There are too many storylines that clutch metrics or heart, whatever you want to call it, cannot account for. Your father is in the stands. Your playing on mother's day, and you just lost your mother last year. You're playing in your hometown. It's your first game against your former team, going back to that stadium. The list goes on and on. Usually, those are the factors that no model, no metric, can account for.

Funny you should mention Kobe.

I'll cut to the chase as to keep this not that long winded.

Kobe Bryant is the all time clutch performer in NBA history according to the NBA metrics.

Long story short, 287 FG clutch time attempts, Kobe is 97 for 287. Best in the playoff clutch metric era.

(Jordan and Bird comes in incomplete because a lot of their playoff games came before such stats were recorded)
But the numbers geeks pretty much agree 1) Kobe (proven) 2) Jordan 3) Bird.

Now, agree or disagree with Paul George, those numbers don't lie despite the misses free throws.
(IF I can get those numbers in a PDF file I'll post them.