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  • SorryImLate
    SBR Rookie
    • 06-02-21
    • 22

    #1
    A poker tragedy
    https://twitter.com/DanielColman_/status/1390796548368334848

    Dan Colman started playing at a young age, mainly playing HU SNGs on stars. He would flood the lobby registering and waiting many more tables than the reg with the next highest volume. He befriended Olivier Busquet who was probably the only one who played nearly as many hours and tables. They agreed to never play each other, but was later caught playing vs OB under a new SN. They remained friends. OB has always been endearing towards DC and the community. One of a kind.

    After DC's 2014 One Drop win, which had a $111,111 rake and was organized by one of online pokers -$ player, he would decline interviews from local Vegas reporters. In his only postgame with ESPN he would state

    "I really don’t owe anyone an explanation but I’ll give one.First off, I don’t owe poker a single thing. I’ve been fortunate enough to benefit financially from this game, but I have played it long enough to see the ugly side of this world. It is not a game where the pros are always happy and living a fulfilling life. To have a job where you are at the mercy of variance can be insanely stressful and can lead to a lot of unhealthy habits. I would never in a million years recommend for someone to try and make it as a poker pro.
    It is also not a game where the amateurs are always happy to be losing their money for the sake of entertainment. The losers lose way more money at this game than winners are winning. A lot of this is money they can’t afford to lose. This is fine of course because if someone is dumb enough to gamble with money they cant afford to lose, that’s their problem. I’m not really buying that though. In a perfect world, markets are based on informed consumers making rational transactions. In reality, sadly, that’s not the case. Markets are based on advertising trying to play on peoples impulses and targeting their weaknesses in order for them to make irrational decisions. I get it if someone wants to go and play poker on their own free will, but I don’t agree with gambling being advertised just like I don’t agree with cigarettes and alcohol being advertised.
    It bothers me that people care so much about poker’s well-being. As poker is a game that has such a net negative effect on the people playing it. Both financially and emotionally.
    As for promoting myself, I feel that individual achievements should rarely be celebrated. I am not going to take part in it for others and I wouldn’t want it for myself. If you wonder why our society is so infatuated by individuals and their success, and being a baller, it is not that way for no reason. It is there because it serves a clear purpose. If you get people to look up to someone and adhere to the “gain wealth, forget all but self” motto, then you can get them to ignore the social contract which is very good for power systems. Also it serves as a means of distraction to get people to not pay attention to the things that do matter.
    These are just my personal views. And yes, I realize I am conflicted. I capitalize off this game that targets peoples weaknesses. I do enjoy it, I love the strategy part of it, but I do see it as a very dark game."

    Months after at an EPT Barcelona FT with Olivier he would wear a "Free Palestine" shirt that prompted OB to wear a "Save Gaza" shirt. After complaints from fans the Pokerstars head of communications(??) Eric Hollreiser would state

    In retrospect it was a mistake to allow them entry. Our tournaments are designed to promote poker and poker competition and not as a platform for political statements. Players have many channels to express their views on world politics, but our tournaments are not an appropriate place. We will refuse entry to any player displaying political statements of any kind.


    In recent months DC was on the losing side of DFS bets and despite catching the con, was unable to collect or make the public aware of how he got scammed. Essentially he was staking someone who was dumping using bad lineups. Now no one can stand up for DC. Arbitrators have backed out and remained silent. $3-5 million in bitcoin paid. Someone has reached out to collect for him, but was ignored.
  • cincinnatikid513
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 11-23-17
    • 45360

    #2
    bumer
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    • Sato
      SBR MVP
      • 07-10-12
      • 1201

      #3
      Colman got scammed by a prick. His fault he accepted to do ANYTHING with Sean Perry.
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      • cincinnatikid513
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 11-23-17
        • 45360

        #4
        Dan Colman claims he was scammed out of potentially millions of dollars by Sean Perry, and the poker community is piling on.
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        • SorryImLate
          SBR Rookie
          • 06-02-21
          • 22

          #5
          Sean Perry has had a longstanding debt with Sam Soverel. SS went to DC saying SP was looking for more action. TheMasterson being a good player and SS's friend was enough of an alibi for the entire public to after SP.

          Someone has offered to collect from SS. I think DC is too scared of SS

          What's sad about this is guys like Aaron Jones and Ryan Daut come in with a total lack of understanding of this basic chip dump. Most people would already know to stay away from SP
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          • SorryImLate
            SBR Rookie
            • 06-02-21
            • 22

            #6
            One of the best, if not the best tournament and cash game player in the world slides under the radar after getting caught collecting $4 million off heist.
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            • Fred The Hammer
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 08-13-13
              • 11586

              #7
              To have a job where you are at the mercy of variance can be insanely stressful and can lead to a lot of unhealthy habits. I would never in a million years recommend for someone to try and make it as a poker pro.
              It is also not a game where the amateurs are always happy to be losing their money for the sake of entertainment. The losers lose way more money at this game than winners are winning. A lot of this is money they can’t afford to lose.



              Thanks for posting that. This DC guy brought up alot of good points. I had a good run at poker from 2004-07 as a semi-pro. I made $12,500 on Bodog/Bovada alone in May 2005.
              Gambling can be a rush, but in the end its not morally upstanding in any way. It doesn't produce goods or services that somebody would need. I still love to play and I bet alot of football every year, but as I get older it means less and less to me.

              My God, it was unhealthy too. I'd drink 2-3 liters a night of soda to stay up and play tournaments all night. I had jowls. I don't even like to look at pictures from back then. I'm 54 now and feel 100x better.
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              • SorryImLate
                SBR Rookie
                • 06-02-21
                • 22

                #8
                Always felt the merits of winning money from dead end players was to prevent scumbags from getting it. He was a child who just wanted the respect of adults and was likely playing for a small %. At any given time everyone has some chance of being +EV
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                • Fred The Hammer
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 08-13-13
                  • 11586

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sato
                  Colman got scammed by a prick. His fault he accepted to do ANYTHING with Sean Perry.
                  Bottom line in this instance is that Mr. Colman was greedy and didn't do his homework. Sounds like Mr Perry was obviously shady and optimal lineups for daily fantasy are all computerized. Its been that way for years. Stupid to lose enough to complain about with daily fantasy?
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388179

                    #10
                    I always said poker players are the biggest scums in the world

                    Will steal from their own families every one of them to play poker
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                    • SorryImLate
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 06-02-21
                      • 22

                      #11
                      I think you're projecting. A donkey can't see its own tail
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                      • ChuckyTheGoat
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 04-04-11
                        • 37551

                        #12
                        So. Is Colman tapped out?

                        Colman won $15Mill on the One Drop. That's supposed to be life-changing $$.

                        Losing significant $$ on DFS doesn't make sense to me. Of course, it's tied to personnel information. SOMEBODY out there invariably has a better info source.
                        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                        • ChuckyTheGoat
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 04-04-11
                          • 37551

                          #13
                          Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                          • ChuckyTheGoat
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 04-04-11
                            • 37551

                            #14
                            It's interesting to me to discuss poker players and their results. Colman was (largely) viewed as a significant winner that you didn't want to fk with.
                            Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                            • pablo222
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-03-19
                              • 8858

                              #15
                              The word is he has BTC from the early days Chucky.

                              If that is true he has major F-you money.
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                              • ChuckyTheGoat
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 04-04-11
                                • 37551

                                #16
                                Originally posted by pablo222
                                The word is he has BTC from the early days Chucky.

                                If that is true he has major F-you money.

                                Wow, very true. Any substantial investment would be sitting on a return of 1,000x (or even more).
                                Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                • cincinnatikid513
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 11-23-17
                                  • 45360

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                                  So. Is Colman tapped out?

                                  Colman won $15Mill on the One Drop. That's supposed to be life-changing $$.

                                  Losing significant $$ on DFS doesn't make sense to me. Of course, it's tied to personnel information. SOMEBODY out there invariably has a better info source.
                                  i thought he had backers for that didn't get the full amount
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                                  • gauchojake
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 09-17-10
                                    • 34116

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                    I always said poker players are the biggest scums in the world

                                    Will steal from their own families every one of them to play poker
                                    I never met so many scammers, cheats, angle shooters, and otherwise unsavory characters than in poker. Burt Rapp was an amateur compared to these guys. Good work jj
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                                    • cincinnatikid513
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 11-23-17
                                      • 45360

                                      #19
                                      why did colman keep betting with him, he was losing losing losing losing, hello


                                      If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker
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                                      • JAKEPEAVY21
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 03-11-11
                                        • 29328

                                        #20
                                        I'm not sure this is a "tragedy" if Colman didn't do his due diligence before bankrolling someone. It's his own fault if that's the case.
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                                        • jjgold
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 07-20-05
                                          • 388179

                                          #21
                                          It’s not a tragedy these people are all clowns and deserve what they get
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                                          • SorryImLate
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 06-02-21
                                            • 22

                                            #22
                                            Imagine sitting 30 different regs heads up online when you wake up and they all say No Thx
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                                            • stevenash
                                              Moderator
                                              • 01-17-11
                                              • 65692

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Fred The Hammer


                                              I'd drink 2-3 liters a night of soda to stay up and play tournaments all night.
                                              20 milligrams of Adderall is a much better option.
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                                              • SorryImLate
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 06-02-21
                                                • 22

                                                #24
                                                At least 2 of them would pay $100+ an hour for coaching and another 8 would be too ashamed to admit it
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                                                • stevenash
                                                  Moderator
                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                  • 65692

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                  I always said poker players are the biggest scums in the world

                                                  Will steal from their own families every one of them to play poker
                                                  Ivey at the top of the list.
                                                  Lederer is squirrelly too, I don’t trust his skank sister all that much either.
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                                    Ivey at the top of the list.
                                                    Lederer is squirrelly too, I don’t trust his skank sister all that much either.
                                                    all scum
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                                                    • ChuckyTheGoat
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 04-04-11
                                                      • 37551

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                      all scum
                                                      Gee. Generalize much?

                                                      There ARE guys who use poker to make their living. They work hard at it. It's just a coincidence that they DON'T have 365,000 posts on a msg board.
                                                      Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                      • johnnyvegas13
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 05-21-15
                                                        • 27897

                                                        #28
                                                        Only a few good ones

                                                        most poker pros jerks
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                                                        • ChuckyTheGoat
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 04-04-11
                                                          • 37551

                                                          #29
                                                          What was Colman's ROI the year he won the One Drop? Massive.

                                                          That's right when he was on a heater. Similar to the Fedor Holz-type heater. Even if u throw out the One Drop, his ROI that year had to be huge.

                                                          And I'd imagine his ROI in the years around there were good, too. I seem to recall that he stopped playing much after the big win.
                                                          Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                          • cincinnatikid513
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 11-23-17
                                                            • 45360

                                                            #30
                                                            makes u wonder about about colmans iq
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                                                            • stevenash
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • 01-17-11
                                                              • 65692

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by johnnyvegas13
                                                              Only a few good ones

                                                              most poker pros jerks
                                                              Mike Sexton was a very good one.
                                                              His partner VVP always struck me as a stand up guy.
                                                              There's a few good ones.
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                                                              • SorryImLate
                                                                SBR Rookie
                                                                • 06-02-21
                                                                • 22

                                                                #32
                                                                I've heard Mike Sexton was a cheat in home games
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                                                                • johnnyvegas13
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 05-21-15
                                                                  • 27897

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                  Mike Sexton was a very good one.
                                                                  His partner VVP always struck me as a stand up guy.
                                                                  There's a few good ones.
                                                                  Yes sexton is a good one

                                                                  but he from ur generation ...
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                                                                  • stevenash
                                                                    Moderator
                                                                    • 01-17-11
                                                                    • 65692

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by johnnyvegas13
                                                                    Yes sexton is a good one

                                                                    but he from ur generation ...
                                                                    How old do you think I am?
                                                                    I'm not older than dirt you know.
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                                                                    • stevenash
                                                                      Moderator
                                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                                      • 65692

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by SorryImLate
                                                                      I've heard Mike Sexton was a cheat in home games
                                                                      Who spread that rumor?
                                                                      Pros tell me he was honest as the day is long.
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