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[k13]

To NOT score a goal. Portugal vs France

Ronaldo -300
Mbappe -275
Grizemann -285

See how little books respect these players to score a goal.



For the WHOLE Tourney.

Mbappe over 1.5 goals +100

Legend.

[Goat Milk]

To NOT score a goal. Portugal vs France

Ronaldo -300
Mbappe -275
Grizemann -285

See how little books respect these players to score a goal.



For the WHOLE Tourney.

Mbappe over 1.5 goals +100

Legend.

Mbappe has a chance to be a legend. Great young player. If he gets a Euro after just getting a world cup? Sky is the limit.

Mbappe already had a goal disallowed, had another assist. Very likely over 1.5 is a lock. Where is that? I will smash it.

[lakerboy]

Mbappe has a chance to be a legend. Great young player. If he gets a Euro after just getting a world cup? Sky is the limit.

Mbappe already had a goal disallowed, had another assist. Very likely over 1.5 is a lock. Where is that? I will smash it.

Why? He has one goal for France in last 9 games. Bro he is great but teams close him down. Plus they have other guys.

[Goat Milk]

Why? He has one goal for France in last 9 games. Bro he is great but teams close him down. Plus they have other guys.

He's a playmaker, not a pure scorer, but you play the odds here because I project France playing another several games. So you figure with that many opportunities, he'll get 2 goals. They have a lot of guys for sure, but France is a classic counter attacking team and you can literally just boot it to that guy and he can score on his own, doesn't need anyone to set him up. He is a threat to score everytime he's in space.

I bet he'll score vs. Portugal tomorrow or whenever it is they play.

[Allure]

Mbappe has a chance to be a legend. Great young player. If he gets a Euro after just getting a world cup? Sky is the limit.

Mbappe already had a goal disallowed, had another assist. Very likely over 1.5 is a lock. Where is that? I will smash it.

What makes you think he will become a legend? He will certainly somewhat fill in the shoes once Messi and Ronaldo have retired, but although Mbappe is still very young I think he is close to his full potential already.

And so far he is only impressive in his native Ligue 1, which beside a handful of teams, is utter garbage. The gap between PSG vs almost the entire league in players, financials, facilities, staff etc is like Yankees vs a Double AA team. So putting up 20, 30 goals in Ligue 1 means jack shit when you choke in big games. So far Mbappe was a non factor in decisive Champions League matches.

[lakerboy]

What makes you think he will become a legend? He will certainly somewhat fill in the shoes once Messi and Ronaldo have retired, but although Mbappe is still very young I think he is close to his full potential already.

And so far he is only impressive in his native Ligue 1, which beside a handful of teams, is utter garbage. The gap between PSG vs almost the entire league in players, financials, facilities, staff etc is like Yankees vs a Double AA team. So putting up 20, 30 goals in Ligue 1 means jack shit when you choke in big games. So far Mbappe was a non factor in decisive Champions League matches.

Agreed. Other then that one game vs Munich he didn't do much.

[Goat Milk]

What makes you think he will become a legend? He will certainly somewhat fill in the shoes once Messi and Ronaldo have retired, but although Mbappe is still very young I think he is close to his full potential already.

And so far he is only impressive in his native Ligue 1, which beside a handful of teams, is utter garbage. The gap between PSG vs almost the entire league in players, financials, facilities, staff etc is like Yankees vs a Double AA team. So putting up 20, 30 goals in Ligue 1 means jack shit when you choke in big games. So far Mbappe was a non factor in decisive Champions League matches.

Still very young. He'll never be Messi or Ronaldo, no one ever will, I can guarantee that as long as we're alive.

But he has a good chance to win a lot at the international level. Already one World Cup in the bag. Now a possible Euro. And then they will surly be favored to win the world cup yet again next year.

[Allure]

He's a playmaker, not a pure scorer, but you play the odds here because I project France playing another several games. So you figure with that many opportunities, he'll get 2 goals. They have a lot of guys for sure, but France is a classic counter attacking team and you can literally just boot it to that guy and he can score on his own, doesn't need anyone to set him up. He is a threat to score everytime he's in space.

I bet he'll score vs. Portugal tomorrow or whenever it is they play.

France is not a counterattacking team. They are a counter pressing team, which means they'll give you the ball and let you control the play making and then press high constantly with the inside midfielders who then put up pressure, intercept and quickly forward the ball to the wingers/forwards.

PS: Best example for this was France vs Germany. They let Germany have the ball, pressed high with the midfielders and quickly forwarded the ball once intercepted to the forwards. That's Deschamps 101.

[Goat Milk]

France is not a counterattacking team. They are a counter pressing team, which means they'll give you the ball and let you control the play making and then press high constantly with the inside midfielders who then put up pressure, intercept and quickly forward the ball to the wingers/forwards.

PS: Best example for this was France vs Germany. They let Germany have the ball, pressed high with the midfielders and quickly forwarded the ball once intercepted to the forwards. That's Deschamps 101.

Good point. I believe in that formula. Who do you got winning euro?

[Allure]

As for France vs Portugal, Portugal really needs to move on from Ronaldo. I mean it's Ronaldo so you really have no chance but to play him but he has been terrible for quite some time. He is not the best player at Juventus nor at Portugal. Portugal would be far better off using Andre Silva and Joao Felix. Yet they can't because they have to use Ronaldo. He has done jackshit against Hungary (despite 2 goals, yes) and was equally terrible against Germany. He had 1 shot on goal vs the shaky German defense. That shot was a goal, indeed, but then again it was from 1 meter and basically and empty goal. At this point starting Ronaldo really hurts Portugal.

[Allure]

Good point. I believe in that formula. Who do you got winning euro?

Although they don't have the fancy names like France, I've got Italy to win it all.

France gameplan relies on giving the ball to the opponent and once the opponent cannot dictate and create, they press, intercept and move the ball quickly. Like they did against Germany. But once you have teams like Hungary that know they cannot dictate and create and don't plan on trying and basically staying back at all times, we have seen that France lacks the creativity to crack those defenses. I know France had their chances in the 1st half, but then again Hungary's defense is also not good at all. Now imagine Italy doing what Hungary did but 2 quality levels higher. France won't have a shot on goal.

Belgium offense is solid but I don't trust their defense. Also, too much relies on de Bruyne. Take him out and you see what Denmark has done to Belgium. And Denmark's offense is average at best. Germany is my dark horse but their defense simply isn't trustworthy. Also they really lack a center striker, the last one I remember was Mario Gomez. Germany basically has no strikers. Werner is horse shit, Havertz, Gnabry and Muller are solid but no strikers. England has a terrific squad but Southgate is not a coach, he has no gameplan, all relies on individual talent. Or can anyone tell me what England's strategy was against Croatia and Scotland? You can't because they haven't. Southgate is one of the worst coaches in the tournament. That's why I can't trust England.

So I like my chances with Italy. Mancini has a game plan. Mancini has a game plan for many different teams. They don't have the fancy superstars but from starters to subs very decent guys who operate like a clock work tactically. I believe they are on an unbeaten streak of 28 or 29, which is overrated I think if you look back who they have played, but still that is one impressive streak.

[lakerboy]

I like the Italian team but they will struggle to score going forward. They don't finish well enough but you are right they are hard to score on. They haven't allowed a goal in 1000 minutes. Having said that the first one they allow might be big trouble for them unless they get more clinical up front. Books think they lose at the semi finals.

[Allure]

Italy is playing Austria next.

That is basically a bye week and they will face Belgium next. If they can beat Belgium it's France or Germany in the semis. Depends on who wins group F. That's an interesting one either way.

[Goat Milk]

Although they don't have the fancy names like France, I've got Italy to win it all.

France gameplan relies on giving the ball to the opponent and once the opponent cannot dictate and create, they press, intercept and move the ball quickly. Like they did against Germany. But once you have teams like Hungary that know they cannot dictate and create and don't plan on trying and basically staying back at all times, we have seen that France lacks the creativity to crack those defenses. I know France had their chances in the 1st half, but then again Hungary's defense is also not good at all. Now imagine Italy doing what Hungary did but 2 quality levels higher. France won't have a shot on goal.

Belgium offense is solid but I don't trust their defense. Also, too much relies on de Bruyne. Take him out and you see what Denmark has done to Belgium. And Denmark's offense is average at best. Germany is my dark horse but their defense simply isn't trustworthy. Also they really lack a center striker, the last one I remember was Mario Gomez. Germany basically has no strikers. Werner is horse shit, Havertz, Gnabry and Muller are solid but no strikers. England has a terrific squad but Southgate is not a coach, he has no gameplan, all relies on individual talent. Or can anyone tell me what England's strategy was against Croatia and Scotland? You can't because they haven't. Southgate is one of the worst coaches in the tournament. That's why I can't trust England.

So I like my chances with Italy. Mancini has a game plan. Mancini has a game plan for many different teams. They don't have the fancy superstars but from starters to subs very decent guys who operate like a clock work tactically. I believe they are on an unbeaten streak of 28 or 29, which is overrated I think if you look back who they have played, but still that is one impressive streak.

France is playing around, these games don't mean anything to them. They are making it through regardless and into the round of 16. France isn't gonna give away all their plays in these games.

What do you mean take De Bruyne out? That's like saying "take Messi off Argentina and they wouldn't even qualify for the world cup." Sure. That's accurate. But he's playing. And also Hazard was subbed into that game. Their captain and one of the biggest wild cards of this tournament. Hazard was a nightmare for teams 3 years ago in the World Cup. He finished 2nd of 3rd in player of the tournament.

I agree Italy is good, but also, this is the same nation that didn't even qualify for the world cup 3 years ago.

[Goat Milk]

As for France vs Portugal, Portugal really needs to move on from Ronaldo. I mean it's Ronaldo so you really have no chance but to play him but he has been terrible for quite some time. He is not the best player at Juventus nor at Portugal. Portugal would be far better off using Andre Silva and Joao Felix. Yet they can't because they have to use Ronaldo. He has done jackshit against Hungary (despite 2 goals, yes) and was equally terrible against Germany. He had 1 shot on goal vs the shaky German defense. That shot was a goal, indeed, but then again it was from 1 meter and basically and empty goal. At this point starting Ronaldo really hurts Portugal.

Lol this is an absurd statement. Portugal is one of the worst teams in the world when Ronaldo does not play. He single handedly willed them to win euro 4 years ago. Andre Silva is a straight bum compared to Ronaldo, he'll admit this himself...

Ronaldo is literally the only player anyone fears on portugal. Defenses construct their entire gameplan around how to contain players like Ronaldo. Without him, Portugal would be scoring 0 goals in every game. The guy is also a master of penalty shots, and we all know how a ton of players miss penalty shots. Ronaldo rarely does.

[Goat Milk]

I like the Italian team but they will struggle to score going forward. They don't finish well enough but you are right they are hard to score on. They haven't allowed a goal in 1000 minutes. Having said that the first one they allow might be big trouble for them unless they get more clinical up front. Books think they lose at the semi finals.

Who do you like to win euro?

[Allure]

France is playing around, these games don't mean anything to them. They are making it through regardless and into the round of 16. France isn't gonna give away all their plays in these games.

What do you mean take De Bruyne out? That's like saying "take Messi off Argentina and they wouldn't even qualify for the world cup." Sure. That's accurate. But he's playing.

I agree Italy is good, but also, this is the same nation that didn't even qualify for the world cup 3 years ago.

I didn't say France won't advance. Pretty sure they will. I had Germany and France to advance in that group. You can even advance as the 3rd.

De Bruyne was also playing in the Champions League final and was a non factor because Tuchel made sure De Bruyne didn't play like he usually does. I know he was injured in the 60th minute but up to that he was a non factor. And if there is a defense that can take him out that's Italy. Who else if not them?

And you really can't compare the team, the coach (!!!), the players from 4 years ago. It was actually good for them to miss the world cup as it opened the gate ways to rebuild their ancient mentality.

Things will get more interesting once we're done with these garbage group stages.

[Goat Milk]

I didn't say France won't advance. Pretty sure they will. I had Germany and France to advance in that group. You can even advance as the 3rd.

De Bruyne was also playing in the Champions League final and was a non factor because Tuchel made sure De Bruyne didn't play like he usually does. I know he was injured in the 60th minute but up to that he was a non factor. And if there is a defense that can take him out that's Italy. Who else if not them?

And you really can't compare the team, the coach (!!!), the players from 4 years ago. It was actually good for them to miss the world cup as it opened the gate ways to rebuild their ancient mentality.

Things will get more interesting once we're done with these garbage group stages.

Italy is good I won't lie, they are my 3rd favorite after France and Belgium. De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders in the world. These guys play way different on the international stage. You're gonna see it with Hazard. What did he do on Real Madrid? Not much. What will he do for Belgium in a much bigger tournament? You're going to see. He is difficult to contain. It's obvious by teh eye test, which is all that matters. Playing the club system often hurts a lot of elite players. They are forced to play in a system that they don't like, with massive egos all over the place.

[JayLA]

I think Netherlands has a run. Thinking about throwing something on top 4 at +200

[lakerboy]

I think Netherlands has a run. Thinking about throwing something on top 4 at +200

That's a pretty good number.

[lakerboy]

Who do you like to win euro?

It looks like France will probably win. I'm still optimistic with my denmark future. They could make a run.
I also would not dismiss the Germans all they do is get to finals.

[Four33]

Dutch manager stinks fools gold sweeping the group stages

[JayLA]

Dutch manager stinks fools gold sweeping the group stages

I don't think he stinks as much as he's an unknown at the international level...he was good at ajax , 263 games and 60% win rate...he was horrible at inter and crystal palace but only with 14 and 5 games coached...his last stint at Atlanta united was ok.

He isn't the most experienced but i wouldn't say he sucks. I like his decision to trot out a 352 instead of a 433

[Allure]

I don't think he stinks as much as he's an unknown at the international level...he was good at ajax , 263 games and 60% win rate...he was horrible at inter and crystal palace but only with 14 and 5 games coached...his last stint at Atlanta united was ok.

He isn't the most experienced but i wouldn't say he sucks. I like his decision to trot out a 352 instead of a 433

Bro the Dutch league is an amateur league. 60% win rate there means very little.

As for the formation almost all teams are playing 3-5-2/5-3-2 so he is not doing something out of the norm.

I wouldn't say de Boer sucks but he is not the guy to lead anyone to an international title. Domestic titles are the maximum for de Boer. Was definitely a better player than a coach, was lucky to see him live on the pitch a few times.

[lakerboy]

19-44-6--31.15

[jjgold]

Soccer is deadly

Why?

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Dutch manager stinks fools gold sweeping the group stages

We'll see soon enuf. This Dutch team does look phony, tho.

[lakerboy]

We'll see soon enuf. This Dutch team does look phony, tho.

The defense is suspect.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Soccer is deadly

Why?

Some of it has to do w/ the 3-way line.

Also, it's a low-scoring game. So, one deflection or one bit of luck can swing a result on that day.

[lakerboy]

Anyone think the Czechs can beat England today?

[bballs84]

Morino Does LB

[JayLA]

Bro the Dutch league is an amateur league. 60% win rate there means very little.

As for the formation almost all teams are playing 3-5-2/5-3-2 so he is not doing something out of the norm.

I wouldn't say de Boer sucks but he is not the guy to lead anyone to an international title. Domestic titles are the maximum for de Boer. Was definitely a better player than a coach, was lucky to see him live on the pitch a few times.

I thought the dutch traditionally used a 433.

We could say the same about most leagues; Spain only has athletic, real and Barca, France only has PSG , Italy only has Juventus....the only really competitive league is the EPL. i think posting a 60% win rate in any league should be impressive.

I don't watch enough European international football to say much about the history of the dutch team but i can say that from what I've seen in this euro cup, theyve got a good squad. Obviously France, italy, and Belgium should be the favs but i think the dutch has value as an underdog moving forward. It doesn't strike me as a team that's peaking....could get more cohesive in the back moving forward. Just my .02

I think england finally shows up against the Czechs. Good luck everyone

[lakerboy]

The dutch always have great talent. They are almost always pressing forward and very few nations have produced as much talent from the midfield to the strikers. The issue for them is always the same. Teams just sit in the box and look for one counterattack to beat them.

[Four33]

Not disagreeing or arguing the Dutch have great talent.

But

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9647543/amp/Euro-2020-Confused-Holland-boss-Frank-Boer-forgets-picked-Queensy-Menig.html

Great player but just can’t see him having the tactical advantage against any other coach in the knockout stages . Just think his teams raw talent has hidden some of his deficiencies as a coach.

When the talent gap shrinks think he will blow it . Just my 2 cents .

Gl to all of y’all in your wagers .

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Anyone think the Czechs can beat England today?

Laker, I put some betpts on Eng (-.5) -180.

Line dipped. Eng have a few guys out.

Eng have just so many attacking options. The dip was tied to the (incorrect?) idea that Eng might be motivated to NOT win to dodge the Germ/Fra group runner-up.