Ben Simmons the most overrated NBA player in the last decade?

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  • Goat Milk
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    • 03-24-10
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    #36
    Originally posted by d2bets
    There are not 21 point guards that a GM would take over Ja Morant. That's just silly talk. There might be 10, maybe. But even at that, if we're talking building a team out for the next 5 years, I would rank him even higher because he's so young and he's going to keep getting better.
    There's not 10 PGs in the NBA better than Morant. Morant was trained by Chris Paul. He is the next coming of Paul. We all remember New Orleans Chris Paul, how he wasn't just the best PG in the league by far, he was one of the best players in the league.

    Morant is going to become one of the best players in general in the NBA in the next year or two.
    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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    • rm18
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      • 09-20-05
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      #37
      Originally posted by Goat Milk
      You're cluless. SGA and Murray and Lowry better than Morant? Lmao. Yeah that's why those teams are at home. Murray isn't even the best player on his own team...

      SGA led his team to the worst record in the league. Fox? Fox was in the lottery. Morant is better than Fox.

      There's no way Morant isn't a top 10 PG.

      Learn the game.

      Your posts on Morant are not gonna age well by the way, so be careful what you say.
      I mean Jamal Murray yes he is out of position but technically plays point. SGA missed half the year OKC was like 20-27 when they shut him down. I am making huge money on NBA and my best bet has been Grizzlies 1h since Morant overrated and bench strong. I never said Morant was not going to be a great player I like his upside but he has not been good his first 2 seasons.
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      • rm18
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        • 09-20-05
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        #38
        Originally posted by d2bets
        There are not 21 point guards that a GM would take over Ja Morant. That's just silly talk. There might be 10, maybe. But even at that, if we're talking building a team out for the next 5 years, I would rank him even higher because he's so young and he's going to keep getting better.
        If I need to win a game today he is like 25th for building a team he could be very high but that is not the discussion I hear people saying he is a star now that is insane. Jonas and Anderson the best players on the team stat wise and Brooks actually the best player because of his defense. Memphis has one of the worst half court offense in the NBA and that is despite Jonas on the offensive glass making them much better. No great point guard would have the worst half court offense unless he was playing with complete bums.
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        • Goat Milk
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          #39
          Originally posted by rm18
          If I need to win a game today he is like 25th for building a team he could be very high but that is not the discussion I hear people saying he is a star now that is insane. Jonas and Anderson the best players on the team stat wise and Brooks actually the best player because of his defense. Memphis has one of the worst half court offense in the NBA and that is despite Jonas on the offensive glass making them much better. No great point guard would have the worst half court offense unless he was playing with complete bums.
          The best player on the team has the ball in his hands in the clutch. Morant scored almost 50 the other day. Valencunas has no chance of doing that. Anderson? Anderson was on the bench in the 4th quarter last night. You think Morant would ever sit on the bench in a close game in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?

          What the hell are you even saying?

          Brooks is the best player? LOL.

          Ok buddy, how about this. I'll take Morant to make the Hall of Fame, and you take Brooks to make the Hall of Fame. And let's see how that bet works out for you.

          Deal?
          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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          • rm18
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            • 09-20-05
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            #40
            Morant a massive liability on defense, Paul the best 6'0 defender I ever saw. Paul shoots mostly midrange Morant does not even have a pull up jumper in arsenal he is all set shots, floaters, and layups.
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            • Goat Milk
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              • 03-24-10
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              #41
              Originally posted by rm18
              Morant a massive liability on defense, Paul the best 6'0 defender I ever saw. Paul shoots mostly midrange Morant does not even have a pull up jumper in arsenal he is all set shots, floaters, and layups.
              Kobe was a very average defender his first 3 years. Then he turned into the greatest 1 on 1 perimeter defender the league has ever seen. Morant hasn't even grown out into his body frame yet, he's still a kid. If you don't think Morant is going to be special, as in all time special, you don't have eyes.
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              • thomorino
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                • 06-01-17
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                #42
                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                You're cluless. SGA and Murray and Lowry better than Morant? Lmao. Yeah that's why those teams are at home. Murray isn't even the best player on his own team...

                SGA led his team to the worst record in the league. Fox? Fox was in the lottery. Morant is better than Fox.

                There's no way Morant isn't a top 10 PG.

                Learn the game.

                Your posts on Morant are not gonna age well by the way, so be careful what you say.
                Morant can’t shoot yet, he’s not better than Murray, Murray is a top scorer who can take over games, Morant can’t do that.
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                • rm18
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                  • 09-20-05
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by Goat Milk
                  The best player on the team has the ball in his hands in the clutch. Morant scored almost 50 the other day. Valencunas has no chance of doing that. Anderson? Anderson was on the bench in the 4th quarter last night. You think Morant would ever sit on the bench in a close game in the 4th quarter in the playoffs?

                  What the hell are you even saying?

                  Brooks is the best player? LOL.

                  Ok buddy, how about this. I'll take Morant to make the Hall of Fame, and you take Brooks to make the Hall of Fame. And let's see how that bet works out for you.

                  Deal?
                  I think Morant has a better shot at the hall. Popovich benched Tony Parker in the finals for Craig Claxton and he will be in the hall. I think a good coach that was not scared of management would bench Ja especially in offense/defense spots. They had to have Melton out there he had 15 in the 4th quarter to Ja's 2 so he was in for Anderson. Melton is a heck of the player probably the biggest reason I made a fortune betting Grizz 1st half this year.
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                  • KiDBaZkiT
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                    • 10-20-09
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                    #44
                    LOL how in the hell did Rudy Gobert’s name get brought into this? How do some of you come up with these angles? He is not out there to “get his own shot” that is not part of the Jazz system. He is out there to guard the paint, get rebounds and block shots. That’s his role. He is extremely effective at it. LOL “get his own shot” he’s a center. He avg 14 pts a game, that’s plenty for the system he is in. Coach Quinn would confirm everything I just said. LOL “get his own shot”
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                    • TheMoneyShot
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                      • 02-14-07
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by rm18
                      Neither of those guys rated that high. Seems like Morant the most overrated they talk like he carries Memphis he is one of the worst starting PGs in the NBA. Now I am not saying he does not have potential with how hard he is to stay in front has a high upside.
                      I might take Morant over Simmons... Simmons doesn't do di#$ on the floor. Morant has no supporting cast in my opinion and Simmons does... Morant would be phenomenal if he had a balanced team like Utah.
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                      • TheMoneyShot
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                        • 02-14-07
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                        #46
                        I agree with the OP.... Simmons is a bunch of bullsh#$ hit free throws already lol my god.
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                        • Goat Milk
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                          • 03-24-10
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                          #47
                          Originally posted by thomorino
                          Morant can’t shoot yet, he’s not better than Murray, Murray is a top scorer who can take over games, Morant can’t do that.
                          I guess scoring 47 on the road against the best defense in the NBA in his first road playoff game of his career doesn't count as taking over a game?

                          Morant is a better player than Murray. And will go down as a better player as well. He's way more dynamic than Murray. Murray can hit some jump shots, big fukking deal. Everyone in the NBA can shoot. It's not a hard skill to attain. It's in fact the easiest of any skill to master. I've seen guys who couldn't hit a free throw go on to become legit 3 point shooters in the NBA after a few years. It's that easy.

                          Ball handling, speed, explosiveness, IQ, killer instinct -- those are much more dificult things to develop.

                          Book this post. We will see who is right. Morant is going to be considered the 3rd best PG in the NBA after Lillard and Curry within 2 years. Jamal Murray won't be on that list.
                          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                          • thomorino
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                            • 06-01-17
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by Goat Milk
                            I guess scoring 47 on the road against the best defense in the NBA in his first road playoff game of his career doesn't count as taking over a game?

                            Morant is a better player than Murray. And will go down as a better player as well. He's way more dynamic than Murray. Murray can hit some jump shots, big fukking deal. Everyone in the NBA can shoot. It's not a hard skill to attain. It's in fact the easiest of any skill to master. I've seen guys who couldn't hit a free throw go on to become legit 3 point shooters in the NBA after a few years. It's that easy.

                            Ball handling, speed, explosiveness, IQ, killer instinct -- those are much more dificult things to develop.

                            Book this post. We will see who is right. Morant is going to be considered the 3rd best PG in the NBA after Lillard and Curry within 2 years. Jamal Murray won't be on that list.
                            They lost that game, he didn’t take it over, again he can’t shoot yet.
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                            • cincinnatikid513
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                              • 11-23-17
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                              #49
                              guy shoots worse than ben wallace
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                              • WireWire
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                                • 02-02-21
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by rm18
                                PG position is strong but he is 22/30. There are a few teams with multiple Pgs better than him like Raptors, Nets and Kings. Injuries so high it is hard to do lists but he is not better than guys like Wall, SGA, and Murray even if they missed a lot of time. Still might be like 60th best player in league overall but PG position is stacked.
                                YIKES, most absurd thing i have read on SBR in a week. 22/30?
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                                • JIBBBY
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                                  • 12-10-09
                                  • 83686

                                  #51
                                  Ben going fishing...
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                                  • thomorino
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                                    • 06-01-17
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                                    #52
                                    Embiid is out for game 5, this game will be big for determining if Simmons is on the team next year or if they bring in Lowry.
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                                    • jtoler
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                                      • 12-17-13
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                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by thomorino
                                      Embiid is out for game 5, this game will be big for determining if Simmons is on the team next year or if they bring in Lowry.
                                      get rid of simmons for a 36 yr old lowry are u drinking man
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                                      • thomorino
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                                        • 06-01-17
                                        • 45842

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by jtoler
                                        get rid of simmons for a 36 yr old lowry are u drinking man
                                        Ben can’t shoot and slowly would come on on a 2 year deal, Lowry would be the third option.
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                                        • jtoler
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                                          • 12-17-13
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                                          #55
                                          I’ve seen vids of simmons knocking down 3’s in practice why even practice them if u won’t shoot them in the game, also I think he’s a natural righty who chooses to shoot left handed Id like to see wut his right handed shot looks like he’s prob actually better right handed
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                                          • USCPHILLYGUY
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                                            • 12-15-12
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                                            #56
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                                            • rm18
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                                              • 09-20-05
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                                              #57
                                              If Memphis had Simmons they would win title going away
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                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                • 12-10-09
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                                                #58
                                                Philly won't make it out of the next round. Like I said above Ben going fishing soon.

                                                He's not all that either. He barely got a double double tonight with 11 rebounds and 17 points in the win. His numbers aren't glaring. He's a good player though but not a franchise player IMO..

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                                                • USCPHILLYGUY
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                                                  • 12-15-12
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                                                  #59


                                                  Guy fuked around and got a triple double
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                                                  • USCPHILLYGUY
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                                                    • 12-15-12
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                                                    #60
                                                    Jibber relax. Been riding this guys ass for 3 years now. Agree he’s not a franchise player. And who knows, w out Embiid they could be out in the 2nd round.

                                                    enjoy your night brother.
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                                                    • WireWire
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                                                      • 02-02-21
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                                                      #61
                                                      Simmons is a bum lmao, literally there next best player is SETH CURRY they needed him to put on his big boy pants and score and still couldn't get 20, but its ok they survived the Wizards lmao.
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                                                      • jjgold
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                                                        #62
                                                        But Philly keeps winning
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                                                        • WireWire
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                                                          • 02-02-21
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                                          But Philly keeps winning
                                                          They are beating the Wizards lol, Even with Joel they aren't getting passed Hawks.
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                                                          • sosawestbrook
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                                                            • 12-10-16
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                                                            #64
                                                            You don’t know what you are talking about

                                                            #LeftHandLayupChallenge
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                                                            • jtoler
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                                                              • 12-17-13
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by sosawestbrook
                                                              You don’t know what you are talking about

                                                              #LeftHandLayupChallenge
                                                              lol I like this idea
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                                                              • rm18
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                                                                • 09-20-05
                                                                • 22291

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by sosawestbrook
                                                                You don’t know what you are talking about

                                                                #LeftHandLayupChallenge
                                                                Terrance Mann the best defensive guard in the NBA but he can't do a lefty layup
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                                                                • JIBBBY
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                                                                  • 12-10-09
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Embid and AD should be twin brothers. Prediction - Pain and suffering if they both continue to play basketball in the future.

                                                                  Both big fellas should retire now. Both so injury prone!!!
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                                                                  • WireWire
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                                                                    • 02-02-21
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                                                                    #68
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                                                                    • bruceBRUCEbruce
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                                                                      • 06-20-09
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by Mase of Base
                                                                      Yeah his shooting is terrible. Worth the money? Not sure, but he's a great player.
                                                                      His defense is fantastic (big plus in today's NBA), his vision is fantastic, length to bother anyone on the court and can drive to an elite level which is again modern NBA. Gets a bad wrap I feel from offense only NBA fans, boys you gotta play d! There's a tonne of guys overpaid in the league is Simmons one? Maybe, but not by much imo.
                                                                      trae young averaged almost 30 PPG in this series
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                                                                      • stake1
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                                                                        • 12-19-18
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        The Tnt crew said it best: simmons plays scared
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