Penguins +230 to win the series vs. Islanders

[goduke]

Crosby to the Penguins is still everything. Captain, team points leader, hustle. Complete asset.

But who would take the Penguins if they knew ahead of time that Crosby would have only 2 pts (1-1) in 6 games?

And that was no fluke. He played a ton of minutes, was not in a slump, was not injured. And, typically, he was everywhere defensively.

All you need to know is the Isles shut Crosby down and won in 6. That’s how you beat the Penguins.

Pens fans need the comfort of blaming Jarry but they simply got beat.

He let in 21 goals. That’s not comfort that’s a fact. I bet if you backtest how teams do in the playoffs when a goalie lets in 20+ goals in 6 games or less the record would abysmal.

[goduke]

Most players average more points because games are higher scoring, Malkin isn’t better than he was 8 years ago, the argument is the same.

You keep moving your argument. What basis are you using to make that call though? If you aren’t using statistics then are you an nhl scout? Are you timing his skating day to day during practice?
I just think your argument is very flawed so we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this. I’m 100 percent sure you aren’t correct on this. But with Jarry in net there’s no way to prove it. This team with a goalie has a shot to win the cup with their roster. But if they changed goalies and did that you would come up with a different reason.
You said they were old and I refuted it
You said Malkin was in decline and I refuted it
Now you’re saying his stats are up because of league average scoring
Like you could spin your argument all day if you wanted it I’m absolutely never going to agree with you because Jarry let in 21 goals. About 15 of them were soft and the same high glove side. He sucks and with that the pens lost. If you are going to argue a point just make sure to watch the games.

[thomorino]

You keep moving your argument. What basis are you using to make that call though? If you aren’t using statistics then are you an nhl scout? Are you timing his skating day to day during practice?
I just think your argument is very flawed so we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this. I’m 100 percent sure you aren’t correct on this. But with Jarry in net there’s no way to prove it. This team with a goalie has a shot to win the cup with their roster. But if they changed goalies and did that you would come up with a different reason.
You said they were old and I refuted it
You said Malkin was in decline and I refuted it
Now you’re saying his stats are up because of league average scoring
Like you could spin your argument all day if you wanted it I’m absolutely never going to agree with you because Jarry let in 21 goals. About 15 of them were soft and the same high glove side. He sucks and with that the pens lost. If you are going to argue a point just make sure to watch the games.

Malkin and Pittsburgh have trended I the same direction over the last 3 years, they have trended down. Of course players average more points now games are much higher scoring than they were 8 years ago, that fact means nothing.

Pittsburgh failed to retool their roster and get younger, your attempt to pin the organizations failures on one player is dumb and wrong, you need to watch more games. Pittsburghs defense in front of their goalies has been an issue year after year, it’s not all one person.

[thomorino]

He let in 21 goals. That’s not comfort that’s a fact. I bet if you backtest how teams do in the playoffs when a goalie lets in 20+ goals in 6 games or less the record would abysmal.

Again, Pittsburgh was no better with Murray, that’s why they let him go.

[k13]

Malkin and Pittsburgh have trended I the same direction over the last 3 years, they have trended down. Of course players average more points now games are much higher scoring than they were 8 years ago, that fact means nothing.

Pittsburgh failed to retool their roster and get younger, your attempt to pin the organizations failures on one player is dumb and wrong, you need to watch more games. Pittsburghs defense in front of their goalies has been an issue year after year, it’s not all one person.

They won the toughest division in hockey.
Way harder to do than win a playoff series.
Every playoff series is basically a coin flip.

[k13]

Bullshit. Pittsburgh is an ageing team that needs to get younger, the problem isn’t just one player, it’s the most of the strong roster.

They should have just kept the leads in the games they had.
Does Edmonton need to get older because they suck and got swept?

Both teams were favorite to win the series but lost.
Obviously the books had the wrong teams favorite right...

[KiDBaZkiT]

The more this guy posts play the more he’s losing now

JJ is just hating. The guys done very well this post season.

[goduke]

Malkin and Pittsburgh have trended I the same direction over the last 3 years, they have trended down. Of course players average more points now games are much higher scoring than they were 8 years ago, that fact means nothing.

Pittsburgh failed to retool their roster and get younger, your attempt to pin the organizations failures on one player is dumb and wrong, you need to watch more games. Pittsburghs defense in front of their goalies has been an issue year after year, it’s not all one person.

The younger comment is irrelevant I’ve already proved that and your comment about murray is absolute bananas. Murray for the two playoffs was an absolute stud. They let him go because unfortunately the fans just didn’t like him as much as fleury and when he started to have bad games in the regular season after the cup runs he had mental breakdowns and just couldn’t get over it.
I can’t even believe your arguments right now. They are so far off.
Pitts defense has always been middle of the pack even during their cup runs. I have proved statistically all your arguments to be wrong. You can debate me if you want but simple fact is there’s no basis for your argument you are just reaching for stars

[goduke]

Malkin and Pittsburgh have trended I the same direction over the last 3 years, they have trended down. Of course players average more points now games are much higher scoring than they were 8 years ago, that fact means nothing.

Pittsburgh failed to retool their roster and get younger, your attempt to pin the organizations failures on one player is dumb and wrong, you need to watch more games. Pittsburghs defense in front of their goalies has been an issue year after year, it’s not all one person.

If you can’t use points or statistics then what is your basis?
If you are a lawyer then you understand that there needs to be evidence that can be substantiated to prove your argument

[ByeShea]

He let in 21 goals. That’s not comfort that’s a fact. I bet if you backtest how teams do in the playoffs when a goalie lets in 20+ goals in 6 games or less the record would abysmal.

Jerry's play did not help the Penguins, no argument from me.

But Crosby w/ 2 pts in 6 games? Is that on Jarry too?

Isles have real betting value, same as last year.

[Goat Milk]

morino you argue for a living, must you argue 24/7 on this site too? Never seen you agree with anyone. Even when you agree with someone, you find something to disagree with.

[goduke]

Jerry's play did not help the Penguins, no argument from me.

But Crosby w/ 2 pts in 6 games? Is that on Jarry too?

Isles have real betting value, same as last year.

No that point is fair. Crosby didnt put up points. I just argue that when a goalie is letting in soft goals it demoralizes a team. So many times the Pens had it and the soft goals got let in and they just were deflated after that.

[thomorino]

No that point is fair. Crosby didnt put up points. I just argue that when a goalie is letting in soft goals it demoralizes a team. So many times the Pens had it and the soft goals got let in and they just were deflated after that.

If Jarrubwa the problem than the team would have traded for a goalie and they would have been much better with better goalies. Pittsburgh has been a disappointing team for 3 years now, and Jarry has only been the full time starter for 1 of those years.

[goduke]

If Jarrubwa the problem than the team would have traded for a goalie and they would have been much better with better goalies. Pittsburgh has been a disappointing team for 3 years now, and Jarry has only been the full time starter for 1 of those years.

Well the first of those years was off back to back cups so you can cancel that year out for any team because at that point they’ve play three seasons to most teams 2 seasons.
And I already explain what happened to Murray after the cups. He lost his confidence the fans didn’t back him and he couldn’t succeed. So two years with 2 goalies that aren’t up to par and they lose.
As for your trade comment, it’s not that easy to just go pick up a elite goalie like you say and if you hadn’t been paying attention over the years Pittsburgh hangs on to their goalies too long that should have been sent packing. Fleury cost them multiple good playoff runs because he was a headcase, he had to see a sports psychologist because he couldn’t perform in the playoffs in his last few years there. Only after he left did he regain his form.
Then they brought Murray around and won two cups. Pittsburgh has always been a team that if you are liked around the locker room and Crosby likes you you stick around a little longer than you should.
Fleury was liked by all of them and now that’s what’s going on with Jarry. Doesn’t change the fact that he will never perform in the playoffs and will never be an elite goalie and as long as Jarry is around the pens will never win another cup
Once again I’ve refuted your flawed argument, try again counselor

[thomorino]

Well the first of those years was off back to back cups so you can cancel that year out for any team because at that point they’ve play three seasons to most teams 2 seasons.
And I already explain what happened to Murray after the cups. He lost his confidence the fans didn’t back him and he couldn’t succeed. So two years with 2 goalies that aren’t up to par and they lose.
As for your trade comment, it’s not that easy to just go pick up a elite goalie like you say and if you hadn’t been paying attention over the years Pittsburgh hangs on to their goalies too long that should have been sent packing. Fleury cost them multiple good playoff runs because he was a headcase, he had to see a sports psychologist because he couldn’t perform in the playoffs in his last few years there. Only after he left did he regain his form.
Then they brought Murray around and won two cups. Pittsburgh has always been a team that if you are liked around the locker room and Crosby likes you you stick around a little longer than you should.
Fleury was liked by all of them and now that’s what’s going on with Jarry. Doesn’t change the fact that he will never perform in the playoffs and will never be an elite goalie and as long as Jarry is around the pens will never win another cup
Once again I’ve refuted your flawed argument, try again counselor

It doesn’t matter who the Pittsburgh goalie is their defense sucks which is why Murray, Jarry, it’s all the same. Pittsburghs roster isn’t that good and key players have been in decline for years like Crosby and Malkin.

Again, of bringing a goalie would fix the team they would have done that already, the teams problems are much bigger than 1 player or 1 position.

[goduke]

It doesn’t matter who the Pittsburgh goalie is their defense sucks which is why Murray, Jarry, it’s all the same. Pittsburghs roster isn’t that good and key players have been in decline for years like Crosby and Malkin.

Again, of bringing a goalie would fix the team they would have done that already, the teams problems are much bigger than 1 player or 1 position.

They’ve rank around the same spot defensively as they have throughout Malkin and Crosby’s time and they won three cups. Not true what you are saying
And you don’t know this team at all or your last paragraph would never be stated. Pens have a history of hanging on to players when they shouldn’t because of camaraderie Mark recchi, Chris Kunitz, fleury. You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have provided no statistical analysis and every argument you’ve said you’ve been wrong. Just stop it’s embarrassing man.

[goduke]

It doesn’t matter who the Pittsburgh goalie is their defense sucks which is why Murray, Jarry, it’s all the same. Pittsburghs roster isn’t that good and key players have been in decline for years like Crosby and Malkin.

Again, of bringing a goalie would fix the team they would have done that already, the teams problems are much bigger than 1 player or 1 position.

This isn’t a video game you can’t just pick up a great goalie on a whim

[thomorino]

This isn’t a video game you can’t just pick up a great goalie on a whim

The point is Pittsburgh’s problems existed before Jarry, and they wouldn’t suddenly go away if they replaced him.

[k13]

Malkin had 74 points in 55 games last year.
That's a 110 point pace...

That would be his second best season ever...major decline.

You can't win the cup every year. There's always a "problem"

[thomorino]

Malkin had 74 points in 55 games last year.
That's a 110 point pace...

That would be his second best season ever...major decline.

You can't win the cup every year. There's always a "problem"

He isn’t the same player he was 4-5 years ago, hockey has changed a lot on the last 5 years, games are much higher scoring.

[packerd_00]

No that point is fair. Crosby didnt put up points. I just argue that when a goalie is letting in soft goals it demoralizes a team. So many times the Pens had it and the soft goals got let in and they just were deflated after that.

Strong teams bounce back if their talented enough.