James Harden should win MVP

[Unrivaled]

Brooklyn is an absolute trainwreck of a team without him.

Kyrie is overrated and Durant is a bum.

They won't win the east unless Harden carries them.

[pologq]

really shows his value now that he has been out

[lakerboy]

The issue is this though. In the playoffs harden usually dissapears. Kd will show up and so will irving.

[Unrivaled]

Durant is so overrated it isn't funny. Only played well in Golden State because he was the 3rd largest shooting threat on the team.

Plays worse defense than Curry as well.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Brooklyn is an absolute trainwreck of a team without him.

Kyrie is overrated and Durant is a bum.

They won't win the east unless Harden carries them.

[lakerboy]

Durant is so overrated it isn't funny. Only played well in Golden State because he was the 3rd largest shooting threat on the team.

Plays worse defense than Curry as well.

Durant is coming off a big injury. This is a transition season. Durant is the most unguardable big man ever that can shoot from distance.

[big joe 1212]

You want to give a guy MVP when he will have missed 40 out of 82 games?

[blankoblanco]

You want to give a guy MVP when he will have missed 40 out of 82 games?

The idea that missing games can actually show your "value" to a team as much as the games you've played is an interesting one at least. It even kinda makes sense. But yeah, I would have to guess there's no precedent for a guy missing half the season and getting MVP? Probably wouldn't happen

[Unrivaled]

Nets record with Durant 18-12. 60%.

Without Durant 25-12. 68%.

Wow sure seems elite.

[Bcatswin]

No way he wins...

[stevenash]

Jokic is your MVP.
He averages a double/double pretty much on a daily basis.
How many centers play elite defense and shoot 40 percent from three?

/endthread

Player	Team	Pos	G	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	3PM	FG%	FT%	TO	3PA	3P%	FGM	FGA	FTM	FTA	2DBL	3DBL
Nikola Jokic	DEN	C	66	35	26.4	10.9	8.4	1.4	0.7	1.4	56.5	85.8	3.1	3.4	40.5	10.2	18.1	4.6	5.3	0.9	0.2

[asiagambler]

It is Jokic and it's not close either

Harden has barely played

/endthread

[JIBBBY]

Injury prone players should never win MVP.. Just ask Michael Jordan about that. Durability is BIG!!

[dmm]

Harden should definitely win Most Valuable Pervert for all the cash he drops at strip clubs across the country.

Most Valuable Player is Jokic, no contest.

[KVB]

The issue is this though. In the playoffs harden usually dissapears. Kd will show up and so will irving.

[KVB]

The issue is this though. In the playoffs harden usually dissapears. Kd will show up and so will irving.

Can't really blame it on D either. When he's on he can hit three's through a triple team.

So it's not the defense getting tougher, teams have thrown everything under the sun at him and tried while doing it during the past few regular seasons. He still puts up the points.

[jtoler]

Jokic is your MVP.
He averages a double/double pretty much on a daily basis.
How many centers play elite defense and shoot 40 percent from three?

/endthread

Player	Team	Pos	G	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	3PM	FG%	FT%	TO	3PA	3P%	FGM	FGA	FTM	FTA	2DBL	3DBL
Nikola Jokic	DEN	C	66	35	26.4	10.9	8.4	1.4	0.7	1.4	56.5	85.8	3.1	3.4	40.5	10.2	18.1	4.6	5.3	0.9	0.2

give him the award for offense but going way too far with elite defense he's out of position a lot, in fact I can make the case that he's horrible on defense. he's 7 feet and avg .7 blocks per game the same as fred vanvleet

[KVB]

give him the award for offense but going way too far with elite defense he's out of position a lot, in fact I can make the case that he's horrible on defense. he's 7 feet and avg .7 blocks per game the same as fred vanvleet

That's not a bad point but for MVP D won't matter in the face of those stats.

But your not wrong.

A little bit of of prep and teams can expose him...

[jtoler]

he's fun to watch dang near avg. a triple double and he's the complete stretch 4/5 inside and out and a team player. he plays within the game imo unlike harden

[thomorino]

Durant is coming off a big injury. This is a transition season. Durant is the most unguardable big man ever that can shoot from distance.

He won zero in okc and hasn’t won anything except with Golden state, all he can do is shoot, he has not ability to finish in the paint because he’s too thin, he’s the most overrated player of this era.

The idiots in the media blamed everything that went wrong in okc on Westbrook, no one is covering for him anymore dumb shit.

[thomorino]

Brooklyn is an absolute trainwreck of a team without him.

Kyrie is overrated and Durant is a bum.

They won't win the east unless Harden carries them.

Shut up dumb shit, they have only played too 10 teams in the league, Harden is good but he’s not the mvp. Curry is the mvp by a mike, without Curry the Warriors would be one of the five worst teams in the league.

[mjsuax13]

LOL. Morino comes in this thread and pollutes it with his trash. I think we’ll align with Lakerboy and his perspective on a player over a guy that’s down over 150 units in NBA in only 9 months.

LITTLE MO, get back to your abortion of a thread and clean up those unit counts ass munch.

[jjgold]

Westbrook , Booker or curry hands down deserve mvp

[TheMoneyShot]

Harden fun to watch in regards to offense. No way he should ever win MVP.... guy lacks so many areas on defense.

[jjgold]

He is not even in running

Denver guy will win Curry a very close second

[pologq]

It is Jokic and it's not close either

Harden has barely played

/endthread

agree with you and nash. it will be Joker. he is playing really well.

however, you do see how bad the nets look with 2 other superstars not able to make Harden's impact.

you also see how bad the Lakers are without James, even with Davis playing as the main option, though Davis is working himself back into game shape.

[paulll]

yeah, I totally agree that Kyire is overrated, I don't understand what he doing there

[stevenash]

Shut up dumb shit, they have only played too 10 teams in the league.

WTF You talking about?

Too 10 teams?
What is that?

[CantFeelMyFace]

Based on this logic, Lebron should be MVP every year. Guy has taken Cleveland and LA from worst team in the league to Championships just by joining the team. Guy went to like 8 straight finals or something like that. They are defending champions, and are atrocious when he is not playing. Harden never won shit.

[asiagambler]

agree with you and nash. it will be Joker. he is playing really well.

however, you do see how bad the nets look with 2 other superstars not able to make Harden's impact.

you also see how bad the Lakers are without James, even with Davis playing as the main option, though Davis is working himself back into game shape.

The problem with those guys is they just didn't play enough. If Jokic was hurt we would be saying the same thing about how bad the Nuggets are without him

[stevenash]

Based on this logic, Lebron should be MVP every year. Guy has taken Cleveland and LA from worst team in the league to Championships just by joining the team. Guy went to like 8 straight finals or something like that. They are defending champions, and are atrocious when he is not playing. Harden never won shit.

But Allen bailed him out in Miami.

[KVB]

I don’t want it to get ridiculous with too many awards, not trying to give every player trophy, but maybe there should be an NBA player of the year and then also an MVP who is most valuable to his team.

Fans would never get the literal mvp definition though.

[KVB]

Maybe they should give a weekly MVP game ball and then add it up at the end of the season and give an award to whoever had the most weekly game balls.

I mean, the idea isn’t unheard of.

[stevenash]

I don’t want it to get ridiculous with too many awards, not trying to give every player trophy, but maybe there should be an NBA player of the year and then also an MVP who is most valuable to his team.

Fans would never get the literal mvp definition though.

What most fans don't get is the operative word in MVP is 'valuable'

Ernie Banks was valuable to his Cubs, so was Ralph Kiner to his Pirates as they were the two most valuable players to their teams, but the Pirates and Cubs were pretty much dead last teams.

In 1972 Steve Carlton won 27 games (46 percent of his teams wins) for a 59 and 97 Phillies team that finished dead last.
How valuable was Carlton?
They still would have finished dead last but with 110 losses, not 97.

[big joe 1212]

Give it to Randle