Espino vs Romanov - bet dispute with b365

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  • mcfugly
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-20-12
    • 947

    #1
    Espino vs Romanov - bet dispute with b365
    Hi guys,

    I had a bet on to go the distance - Yes at +200 in the Romanov vs Espino fight.

    The fight ended in the 3rd (1:05 of the 3rd) due to an accidental knee to the groin by espino. In the UFC the rules are as follows for these kind of circumstances (in a 3 round fight):
    - If the fight is past the 2:30 mark of the 2nd, it will not be scored a no-contest
    - If the 3rd and final round has begun (at all), this round will be scored based on the action up to this point in the decision result


    The bookie has graded it as a loss, which I don't feel is correct. Their rules state that the number of rounds must be fully completed. As the final round had begun, and fight was past the 2:30 mark of the 2nd (and the knee was unintentional - negating a DQ result), the fight went to a decision and the third round was scored. I feel that this counts as a completed round, as there was no TKO, submission, NC or DQ. To me this should be graded as a win, as the "number of rounds", which is 3, were completed, as evidenced by the fact that all 3 rounds were scored. I feel that at the very worst, this bet should be settled as void and stake returned. Thoughts? What are my possible actions for recourse here? I have contacted them already and been told that it is a loss, despite explaining the rules.


    The rules on my bookie's website for "to go the distance" are below:

    Will Fight go the Distance?

    If for any reason the number of rounds in a fight is changed then bets already placed will be void and stakes returned.

    For settlement purposes the official designated number of rounds must be fully completed for bets to be settled as Yes.
  • Wilfred
    SBR MVP
    • 08-19-12
    • 1908

    #2
    I feel like it should be a push. If It was ruled a DQ then it should be a loss, but I don’t feel you can win for saying it will go the distance without the full 15 minutes being completed.
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    • mcfugly
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 05-20-12
      • 947

      #3
      Originally posted by Wilfred
      I feel like it should be a push. If It was ruled a DQ then it should be a loss, but I don’t feel you can win for saying it will go the distance without the full 15 minutes being completed.
      Thanks for your input. I would be fine with accepting a push result to be honest. But being graded as a loss, just feels wrong to me. I will 100% be moving on from b365 and never coming back if this is not changed. I have been with them for years and needless to say, have given them a lot. But out of principle, I will be done with them for good if this is not resolved.
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      • Unrivaled
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-24-11
        • 6685

        #4
        I think it should be void based on the rules posted.

        Although if I was betting on go the distance I would assume every round has to be fully played.
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        • mcfugly
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 05-20-12
          • 947

          #5
          Does anyone know if there are any resources or contacts through SBR that can assist in cases like this? Or am I just subject to the bookie's decision and that's that? Clearly I'm not the only one that feels this should not be graded as a loss based on their own rules.
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          • Jayvegas420
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 03-09-11
            • 28213

            #6
            WHat am I missing here....you bet the fight to go the distance, it didn’t & was graded a loss & they paid out

            inside the distance
            wagers?
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            • Unrivaled
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 10-24-11
              • 6685

              #7
              Actually on further look it should be graded a loss. The number of rounds didn't change and it ended early.
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              • unlearn
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 03-22-14
                • 9042

                #8
                The fight ended via technical decision which is inside the distance. You lost
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                • chargers4222
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-16-10
                  • 4702

                  #9
                  You lost. Get over it.
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                  • mcfugly
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 05-20-12
                    • 947

                    #10
                    Thanks for the input. I guess I kind of felt like a technical decision made at a point in the final round where that round is scored, would count as a completed round. I can see what you guys are saying though

                    Unfortunate because I predicted the fight to go exactly as it went, so pretty nice odds at +200. I guess I’ll have to consider that next time I make a bet on going the distance though
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                    • mcfugly
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 05-20-12
                      • 947

                      #11
                      Originally posted by chargers4222
                      You lost. Get over it.
                      Damn bruh, going through a rough time in my life, no need to be an asshole
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                      • manny24
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-22-07
                        • 20046

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mcfugly
                        Damn bruh, going through a rough time in my life, no need to be an asshole
                        Charger's right but keep your head up McFuggs if you're going through hell.... just keep going
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                        • pavyracer
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-12-07
                          • 82840

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jayvegas420
                          WHat am I missing here....you bet the fight to go the distance, it didn’t & was graded a loss & they paid out

                          inside the distance
                          wagers?
                          It was something that rarely happens and is not covered in the rules he posted. There was a knee to the nuts in the 3rd round but it was not illegal. Romanov couldn't walk from the hit. A knee from a heavyweight to your nuts can cause a lot of damage. So the fight couldn't contunue to go the distance due to an injury. But the fight was scored up to the point it ended because the hit was not illegal and it couldn't be scored NC (no contest).

                          So it should be graded as a push as this scenario is not covered in the book's rules.
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                          • Jayvegas420
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 03-09-11
                            • 28213

                            #14
                            A technical decision means they are basing the fight on the scores of the previous rounds, the round in which the bout ended would not be included in the scoring.
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                            • DrunkHorseplayer
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 05-15-10
                              • 7719

                              #15
                              It didn't go the distance; that's a loss.
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                              • pavyracer
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 04-12-07
                                • 82840

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Jayvegas420
                                A technical decision means they are basing the fight on the scores of the previous rounds, the round in which the bout ended would not be included in the scoring.
                                You need to read the scorecard. They scored the 3rd round. This is why all judges had the fight 29-28 Romanov.
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                                • mcfugly
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 05-20-12
                                  • 947

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                                  You need to read the scorecard. They scored the 3rd round. This is why all judges had the fight 29-28 Romanov.
                                  Exactly. Thanks for clarifying that for him pavy. To update, they actually refunded me the stake in good faith, so good on b365
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                                  • mcfugly
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 05-20-12
                                    • 947

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Jayvegas420
                                    A technical decision means they are basing the fight on the scores of the previous rounds, the round in which the bout ended would not be included in the scoring.
                                    Incorrect. If the round has begun, it is included in the scoring. Read the Unified MMA rules.
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                                    • manny24
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-22-07
                                      • 20046

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mcfugly
                                      Exactly. Thanks for clarifying that for him pavy. To update, they actually refunded me the stake in good faith, so good on b365
                                      wow that's customer service nicely done b365
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                                      • TommieGunshot
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-27-12
                                        • 1608

                                        #20
                                        Does UFC themselves have anything on whether a round was "completed", if it was scored by the judges before the time limit? I would defer to that.

                                        Without knowing UFC scoring rules, I would believe the no is the winning on "goes the distance", and the yes is the winner on "goes to a decision".
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                                        • asiagambler
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 07-23-17
                                          • 6827

                                          #21
                                          bet365 top notch and always great customer service. Maybe best bookmaker in the world now
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                                          • Jayvegas420
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 03-09-11
                                            • 28213

                                            #22
                                            Bubble gum book
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                                            • TrevMargo
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 04-17-21
                                              • 13

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by mcfugly
                                              Exactly. Thanks for clarifying that for him pavy. To update, they actually refunded me the stake in good faith, so good on b365
                                              Wow good on them, they must have graded it as ITD for everyone who bet the other side so they prob lost some margin on this bet
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                                              • Unrivaled
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 10-24-11
                                                • 6685

                                                #24
                                                Yes, Bet365 is very fair.
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                                                • jjgold
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                  • 388179

                                                  #25
                                                  its a square book and they know you will lose 10x more so a good move
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                                                  • Jayvegas420
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 03-09-11
                                                    • 28213

                                                    #26
                                                    enjoy $0.40 lines @ 365
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