Zags to win it all +275

[goduke]

This is not how point shaving works

If you're favored by 14 then you penetrate up enough to keep them around and maybe miss some FTs 2H.....win by 9-10 instead and everyone is happy. Its also better when its some bs game on Tues night like Tulane and S Alabama or something. Final 4 with many of the kids going to the NBA

Never said point shaving. Wow it’s sad to see people not comprehend. I said they played down to their opponent and were always in control. They did this probably because they got paid. Not sure what else would incentivize them. The books will get rewarded by getting Baylor money now. Please read next time, it dismisses your response when it shows you have reading comprehension problems

[goduke]

This is not how point shaving works

If you're favored by 14 then you penetrate up enough to keep them around and maybe miss some FTs 2H.....win by 9-10 instead and everyone is happy. Its also better when its some bs game on Tues night like Tulane and S Alabama or something. Final 4 with many of the kids going to the NBA

How many of these kids are going to make money in the nba?Maybe Suggs maybe tispert if they are lucky enough to get past their rookie deals healthy. If you don’t think this is happening at the biggest levels where the real money is I just feel bad for you

[thomorino]

Baylor is obviously a very good team, but they won’t slow the game the way UCLA did, Gonzaga should get the faster tempo they are much more comfortable.

[goduke]

It's scary that people as stupid as you exist in the world.

It’s scary that you don’t think money and corruption can go hand and hand. You are watching WWE out there sometimes. It’s ok just admit you need that “entertainment” to get through your dull life. Many do

[thomorino]

Never said point shaving. Wow it’s sad to see people not comprehend. I said they played down to their opponent and were always in control. They did this probably because they got paid. Not sure what else would incentivize them. The books will get rewarded by getting Baylor money now. Please read next time, it dismisses your response when it shows you have reading comprehension problems

They were losing in the final 3 minutes of the game you dumb shit, they were not always in control, not close.

[maggiethebestdog]

I’m surprised you post in a sports thread ever. Normally you’re just spitting trump rhetoric. It’s funny though you took the same process as ghengis. You can just refer to my response to him since basically you are in the same herd

LOL

You are bringing up Trump now???

You are being laughed out of the thread because your premise is insane

Can games be rigged like that???
Of course

But anybody that watched THAT game, and thinks Gonzaga played down to UCLA, or was never in danger of losing, obviously knows nothing about sports and is delusional

Keep embarrassing yourself
It's fricken hilarious

[goduke]

Yeah, I guess there is also magnets on the rim to help the 11 seed bruins make all those shots all tournament too. Because I'm sure the NCAA really wanted an 11 seed in the final four....

Such a shortsighted view. You don’t think these kids who have been playing since they were five years old couldn’t make shots at a high clip. You ever seen these athletes in an open gym uncontested? Many could make 50-100 in a row. Now move that shot down to a layup or a short short of the backboard. You’re thinking about shots being made but in the end I’m talking about who is in control of the game. How hard is it to play good defense on UCLA when you miss and don’t want them to score or play soft d when you want them to have a better opportunity? If a team is that much better talent wise it’s easy. At least talk about the same thing. I know you don’t want to think the only entertainment you have in life can’t be corrupt but your response to go to the other side of the spectrum with a ridiculous response shows your ignorance.

[thomorino]

Few taking Timme out in the final four minutes was horrible and almost cost Gonzaga the game, you don’t pull a key player in the final five minutes when you are losing and he backup sucks.

[goduke]

LOL

You are bringing up Trump now???

You are being laughed out of the thread because your premise is insane

Can games be rigged like that???
Of course

But anybody that watched THAT game, and thinks Gonzaga played down to UCLA, or was never in danger of losing, obviously knows nothing about sports and is delusional

Keep embarrassing yourself
It's fricken hilarious

Tell me when they were in danger of losing. Please then you’ll have an argument

[thomorino]

Such a shortsighted view. You don’t think these kids who have been playing since they were five years old couldn’t make shots at a high clip. You ever seen these athletes in an open gym uncontested? Many could make 50-100 in a row. Now move that shot down to a layup or a short short of the backboard. You’re thinking about shots being made but in the end I’m talking about who is in control of the game. How hard is it to play good defense on UCLA when you miss and don’t want them to score or play soft d when you want them to have a better opportunity? If a team is that much better talent wise it’s easy. At least talk about the same thing. I know you don’t want to think the only entertainment you have in life can’t be corrupt but your response to go to the other side of the spectrum with a ridiculous response shows your ignorance.

The kids are in a bubble you dumb shit, they aren’t meeting with people about point shaving, you are a dumb shit.

[goduke]

They were losing in the final 3 minutes of the game you dumb shit, they were not always in control, not close.

They were down 1 basket at 2:27. Never in danger. That’s minimum 3 possessions to tie. That’s not in danger at all.
Outside of that they were either tied or in the lead when the game mattered. Then they could play down. Final four 14 point dog and you’re telling me twice UCLA didn’t want to take a game winning three? Please

[thomorino]

Gonzaga was losing with less than 3 minutes left goduke, you dumb shit, and rookie deals are still worth millions, anyone drafted in the first round get a lot of guaranteed money even though it’s not what these deals were 10-15 years ago.

[thomorino]

They were down 1 basket at 2:27. Never in danger. That’s minimum 3 possessions to tie. That’s not in danger at all.

If you are arguing that losing with 2:27 left doesn’t mean you are in danger of losing you are a complete and total dumb shit.

[CantFeelMyFace]

It’s scary that you don’t think money and corruption can go hand and hand. You are watching WWE out there sometimes. It’s ok just admit you need that “entertainment” to get through your dull life. Many do

Nobody is saying there isn't corruption in the NCAA. You specifically said they are paying Gonzaga players to play down to their opponent. Anyone with eyeballs and half a brain knows Gonzaga was going all fukkin out to win that game. They are lucky they even won.

Nobody cares you lost your $20 bet and you can't buy your big mac tomorrow. Take a look in the mirror pal, you are the sheep.

[goduke]

Gonzaga was losing with less than 3 minutes left goduke, you dumb shit, and rookie deals are still worth millions, anyone drafted in the first round get a lot of guaranteed money even though it’s not what these deals were 10-15 years ago.

Suggs and tispert maybe 3.5 to 5 million over the course of a few years. Agent fees, taxes, family and all the people that they take care of, etc. it all adds up. This isn’t a typical persons life 3.5 to 5 million is like 50k to a normal person. Garbage money

[CantFeelMyFace]

Funny how you mention Timme isn't going to make shit in the NBA. He must be one of the ones the NCAA was paying off, right? Yeah, the guy going down in the low post owning fukkin everyone looking like a HOFer. Guy went 11-15, dropped 25...but he was trying to keep the game close to get more money on Baylor.

Seek therapy.

[thomorino]

Nobody is saying there isn't corruption in the NCAA. You specifically said they are paying Gonzaga players to play down to their opponent. Anyone with eyeballs and half a brain knows Gonzaga was going all fukkin out to win that game. They are lucky they even won.

Nobody cares you lost your $20 bet and you can't buy your big mac tomorrow. Take a look in the mirror pal, you are the sheep.

The lack of self awareness of these people is absurd.

[goduke]

Nobody is saying there isn't corruption in the NCAA. You specifically said they are paying Gonzaga players to play down to their opponent. Anyone with eyeballs and half a brain knows Gonzaga was going all fukkin out to win that game. They are lucky they even won.

Nobody cares you lost your $20 bet and you can't buy your big mac tomorrow. Take a look in the mirror pal, you are the sheep.

A sheep would be someone that follows. I think this thread alone refutes that fact. It’s sad that you can’t even make sense.
I won on Gonzaga -150 live at the end of the game. Doesn’t mean anything though. I grew up loving sports and to be an adult and see how corrupt this game is makes me want to say something. Money doesn’t matter for me in that aspect.
But just let me know when Gonzaga was going to lose. I’ll wait for that

[thomorino]

Funny how you mention Timme isn't going to make shit in the NBA. He must be one of the ones the NCAA was paying off, right? Yeah, the guy going down in the low post owning fukkin everyone looking like a HOFer. Guy went 11-15, dropped 25...but he was trying to keep the game close to get more money on Baylor.

Seek therapy.

And all these guys are in a bubble too, so the notion they would be meeting and communicating about point shaving is even more absurd and stupid.

[goduke]

The lack of self awareness of these people is absurd.

Morino can you call anyone else out when you have proven to be a liar on this site and keep fake records of your wins and losses?

[goduke]

And all these guys are in a bubble too, so the notion they would be meeting and communicating about point shaving is even more absurd and stupid.

That’s what you think would stop communication? A bubble? Wow

[thomorino]

Morino can you call anyone else out when you have proven to be a liar on this site and keep fake records of your wins and losses?

You can’t find one record that isn’t right dumb shit. Your comments me takes are as dumb as it gets.

[CantFeelMyFace]

Gonzaga

D. TimmeF	38	11-15	0-1	3-5	1	3	4	2	0	0	0	4	25
C. KispertF	44	6-13	2-8	1-2	1	4	5	5	2	1	1	2	15
J. SuggsG	40	6-12	2-5	2-2	0	5	5	6	2	1	2	3	16
A. NembhardG	42	4-9	1-3	2-4	0	1	1	8	1	0	2	1	11
J. AyayiG	42	9-12	2-3	2-3	2	4	6	2	2	0	2	3	22
A. WatsonF	10	0-0	0-0	2-4	0	1	1	0	1	1	2	3	2
A. CookG	9	1-2	0-1	0-0	0	1	1	3	0	0	1	0	2
TEAM		37-63	7-21	12-20	6	20	26	26	8	3	10	16	93
		58.7%	33.3%	60.0%

They also shot 58% from the field. I feel more stupid having encountered such an idiot. End thread.

[maggiethebestdog]

Tell me when they were in danger of losing. Please then you’ll have an argument

What?????

You obviously didn't watch the game

If you are serious, and not just trolling, I am actually embarrassed for you

[goduke]

Funny how you mention Timme isn't going to make shit in the NBA. He must be one of the ones the NCAA was paying off, right? Yeah, the guy going down in the low post owning fukkin everyone looking like a HOFer. Guy went 11-15, dropped 25...but he was trying to keep the game close to get more money on Baylor.

Seek therapy.

Wow now it’s the ncaa that I said pays him off. Your reading comprehension makes me feel bad for you.
And yes timme scored when he wanted too. I think you don’t realize you are making my point. Wow

[thomorino]

That’s what you think would stop communication? A bubble? Wow

It wouldn’t be worth paying players to point shave unless you were betting hundreds of thousands of dollars on a game, you are risking serious prison time. Nobody would bet that much money without meeting people, and that’s not happening in a bubble.

Anyways you dumb shit it was clear Gonzaga was at risk of losing the game, anyone with a brain could see that.

[ArunSh]

Zags open at -4.5 it appears, I was expecting around -5 so pretty close!

That said, no idea who to take in that line! Before today I would have said Zags for sure, but now I'm far from certain, probably will lay off totally!

[ThaTopMoron]

Did he shoot a three? I must not have seen that. Your response is exactly my point. They were never in risk. If they were I would have no argument. But start really paying attention to the biggest college basketball games. Look at the play by play history and you’ll see. But until then keep spitting your “could have” rhetoric

so he intentionally drive in to get called for a charge with less than 1 second remaining in regulation in a tied game...

[thomorino]

Wow now it’s the ncaa that I said pays him off. Your reading comprehension makes me feel bad for you.
And yes timme scored when he wanted too. I think you don’t realize you are making my point. Wow

Timme was in foul trouble and he scored easily in overtime because he was being guarded by a much smaller player you dumb shit.

[thomorino]

Zags open at -4.5 it appears, I was expecting around -5 so pretty close!

That said, no idea who to take in that line! Before today I would have said Zags for sure, but now I'm far from certain, probably will lay off totally!

The line didn’t open at 4.5 it was 6 all weekend before the games.

[goduke]

It wouldn’t be worth paying players to point shave unless you were betting hundreds of thousands of dollars on a game, you are risking serious prison time. Nobody would bet that much money without meeting people, and that’s not happening in a bubble.

Anyways you dumb shit it was clear Gonzaga was at risk of losing the game, anyone with a brain could see that.

You do realize the spread was -14 right. This isn’t about point shaving. Don’t be shortsighted. This is about allowing a team with lessor talent to hang around. Zags never were in danger of losing period. No one was making money off this game based on the result but I’m not going to repeat myself. Just learn to read

[thomorino]

Zags open at -4.5 it appears, I was expecting around -5 so pretty close!

That said, no idea who to take in that line! Before today I would have said Zags for sure, but now I'm far from certain, probably will lay off totally!

I expect the public to be in Baylor and the line to drop, Gonzaga is much better in up tempo games and Baylor likes to play fast, Gonzaga should get the tempo they want.

[goduke]

so he intentionally drive in to get called for a charge with less than 1 second remaining in regulation in a tied game...

Not intentionally drawing the charge the refs called the charged. That shot was so far off target it wasn’t going to matter. Now had UCLA made that shot I would say my argument stood no ground but it’s amazing how everything works perfectly that Gonzaga was never down at the wrong time.

[ArunSh]

The line didn’t open at 4.5 it was 6 all weekend before the games.

Ahh interesting, though I meant the line put up after the games actually ended. But either way makes sense, based on today's game they aren't considering Gonzaga as big a favorite as originally thought - seems natural!

But once again, no idea who to take on that spread, Gonzaga looked so unstoppable before today, and now...

[thomorino]

You do realize the spread was -14 right. This isn’t about point shaving. Don’t be shortsighted. This is about allowing a team with lessor talent to hang around. Zags never were in danger of losing period. No one was making money off this game based on the result but I’m not going to repeat myself. Just learn to read

The fact that you are repeatedly arguing that a team losing in the final 3 minutes of a game wasn’t at risk of losing just makes you a dumb shit.