So How Much are the A Rated Books Raking In

fsugolf · 08-19-09, 01:54 AM

time frame would be useful, I'll assume you mean yearly

THEGREAT30 · 08-19-09, 01:55 AM

No way Matchbook is #1

fsugolf · 08-19-09, 01:57 AM

I'd say some of the UK sites are the biggest, William Hill, Ladbrokes the joints that have live and online places to wager are probably making the most imo

Shortstop · 08-19-09, 02:28 AM

The USA is quite frankly, missing the boat, by letting all this money escape.

fsugolf · 08-19-09, 02:31 AM

that boat is half way around the world by now shortstop. Long gone, but would definitely still have a chance to grab some late money

jjgold · 08-19-09, 05:16 AM

These numbers are not even close, way way too high

Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses

THEGREAT30 · 08-19-09, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

These numbers are not even close, way way too high

Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses

That's not much. Are employees included in the expenses?

LGBoots · 08-19-09, 08:14 AM

UK/Irish Book Paddy Power made yearly profits of 76 million Euros

As they limit me on a regular basis to stakes of £5 or less I doubt if I contribute much to their earnings!

tltaylor89 · 08-19-09, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

These numbers are not even close, way way too high<br>
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Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses

You gave a 100K to one of these books alone lol.

Cigarist · 08-19-09, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by THEGREAT30

No way Matchbook is #1

but matchbook is nothing compared to betfair

Fishhead · 08-19-09, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

These numbers are not even close, way way too high

Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses

Interesting

aszzzbrokerman · 08-19-09, 10:33 PM

The real question is how much does a book make per bet placed. Start with a nice round number like 1 dollar per wager placed(after expenses) and work you head around it. Its probably a question of who draws the most volume.

sickler · 08-19-09, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Cigarist

but matchbook is nothing compared to betfair

Right. For the exchanges, doubt Matchbook can carry Betfair's jock.

jjgold · 08-19-09, 11:03 PM

The expenses are cheaper in CR but you need lots of active customers to turn big numbers in profits and most books on the internet do not have lots of active customers. Of course some of the big boots do well but they are not raking in massive numbers because average customer also does not bet a lot maybe $15 per game or so.

SBR_John · 08-19-09, 11:05 PM

If you took a zero off those numbers they would be a whole lot closer.

jjgold · 08-19-09, 11:08 PM

There is no way matchbook makes 66 million per year

They are lucky to take in a cool million or so

FreeFall · 08-19-09, 11:11 PM

as far as I'm concerned everyone in this thread has zero credibility. The person I'd be most willing to give it to is John.

unknown Gambler · 08-19-09, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by tltaylor89

I say Pinnicle 400million
5dimes 250Million
Bookmaker 600 Million
Bet Jamaica 330 Million
The Greek 500 Million
Matchbook 660 Million
Carib 250 Million
Bet Phoenix 200 million
Diamond 145 million
Just Bet 130 Million

Just a little perspective on how far off you are the Philadelphia Phillies are worth 500million, the Pitt Pirates 275 million, youve over priced them all by a ton.

sickler · 08-19-09, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by FreeFall

as far as I'm concerned everyone in this thread has zero credibility.

This wins for stupidest comment of the month.

You don't know any of us.

RealSlimShady · 08-19-09, 11:40 PM

You're way, way off if you are implying that those books are netting $100m+ annually. Do you think each of those books are worth $500m to several billion(assuming a PE ratio of 5 to 10)?

SBR_John · 08-20-09, 02:14 AM

I say Pinnicle 15million
5dimes 5Million
Bookmaker 20 Million
Bet Jamaica 3.5 Million

I think those type of numbers are probably closer.

Zelda · 08-20-09, 03:44 AM

Bookmaker 20, Pinny 15?
You sure John? How many stupid people are out there?
They have the occasional good opener, but that´s it...i don´t know where to start, so i´ll just say CRIS are greedy a$$holes

SBR_John · 08-20-09, 04:03 AM

Pinny does not take players from the US anymore. If they did I would probably guess about 100. CRIS is not greedy but they run a totally different model. Not many could be Pinny and their were a lot that tried. CRIS/Bookmaker is an A+ rock that the industry needs. A lot players are more concerned about the financial quality of where they send their money versus less juice.

UntilTheNDofTimE · 08-20-09, 04:12 AM

Really? i make 500-1000 a month booking bets and all i do is dump off the bet onto 5 dimes for -104 to -106 when i give a -110 line.

and i only allow to win 100 max on str8 wagers and i only have 14 clients. vs a book that has 14 million clients id be making way more than a few mill

jjgold · 08-20-09, 05:00 AM

Your lucky if a place like Skybook makes $600,000

username474 · 08-20-09, 05:41 AM

Last year, Nevada sports books won $136.4 million on nonhorse racing event bets, with 28 percent coming from football bets and 31.9 percent coming from basketball bets, control board figures show.

I would say bookmaker does at least as well as the whole state of Nev. 5 dimes does about half of this. The Greek makes around 50 or so. Matchbook makes about 15 to 20 m. And pinnicle needs to say fu*@ the U.S and the uiega and come back to the U.S market and kill all of shit books.

swede71 · 08-20-09, 05:53 AM

I think most of the money they make are on Casino and Poker.I read some where that Ladbrokes make most of the money on Casino

Fishhead · 08-20-09, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Really? i make 500-1000 a month booking bets and all i do is dump off the bet onto 5 dimes for -104 to -106 when i give a -110 line.

and i only allow to win 100 max on str8 wagers and i only have 14 clients. vs a book that has 14 million clients id be making way more than a few mill

You could increase your income by another 30% with a Matchbook account.

thespeculator · 08-20-09, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I say Pinnicle 15million
5dimes 5Million
Bookmaker 20 Million
Bet Jamaica 3.5 Million

I think those type of numbers are probably closer.

lots numbers being thrown around, i think John is probably the closest, just reading his other threads he seems to know alot, does the betjm number include the greek? i would think greek makes more thank 5dimes

tltaylor89 · 08-20-09, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by thespeculator

lots numbers being thrown around, i think John is probably the closest, just reading his other threads he seems to know alot, does the betjm number include the greek? i would think greek makes more thank 5dimes

These numbers dont support the US markets

MartinBlank · 08-20-09, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by tltaylor89

These numbers dont support the US markets

Taylor, what exactly are you basing your projected numbers on?

Random guesses?

You can't possibly think the books you listed are bringing in 3.5 billion/year.

No one can possibly think that.

CaneDawg · 08-20-09, 10:37 AM

a large book....say bookmaker/cris......after expenses would be lucky to clear a million

SBR_John · 08-20-09, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by thespeculator

lots numbers being thrown around, i think John is probably the closest, just reading his other threads he seems to know alot, does the betjm number include the greek? i would think greek makes more thank 5dimes

Right, my numbers for BetJam do not include TheGreek. Some guys you just dont comment on their numbers and TheGreek is one of those.

Yes I would agree TheGreek is ahead of 5Dimes but its probably closer than some would think. 5Dimes has done a great job the last few years.

durito · 08-20-09, 10:39 AM

I could have swore I saw an article when pinnacle left the US that said they made $200million the year before