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  • stevenash
    Moderator
    • 01-17-11
    • 65639

    #1
    Talk to me about OK State / Miami
    I don't really have a favorite NCAA football team (I'm a U Conn homer) I root for Alabama because my wife is a long time Tide fan so I pretty much watch all the games level headed with an open mind.

    I've seen Miami and OK State play twice, three times this season.
    Just going on the 'eye test' and before I get into my nerdy, geeky analytics I think OK State is the better team based on what I have seen.

    Miami has not done anything for me since starting off 3 and 0.
    I really think they started believing all that hype back then.
    What have the Hurricanes really showed in the past 2 1/2 months except blow out the Dookies?

    I saw that TCU game where the Cowboys got beat on that long TD pass play, that was disappointing, and I turned off that OU blow out game because it just wasn't that interesting and I really thought Okie State was going to give them a better game.

    Who saw the Texas game?
    I did. You can't tell me State didn't get robbed by some of those late calls.
    All in all I think they are a good three loss team and better than Miami.
    (Based on the old 'eye test')

    Just got done with me geeky analytic numbers with the help of Sagarin's databases.
    Okie State according to most metrics had the tougher schedule all the other numbers are pretty much no big difference,

    Okie State has been running the ball well lately without Hubbard which surprises me some, I was just reading where Miami's D-Ends are going to miss this game due to declaring pro,

    I really think Sanders can torch Miami.
    Sagarin (my go to college football geek) has Ok. State 4.5 better in this game.
    And since he knows more than me and I also think he's right here, why not.

    54 dollars (-108 Heritage) to win 50
    Oklahoma State -1
  • carolinakid
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-12-11
    • 19106

    #2
    imo miami win this one today.......you have too much plus money on the ok st for the game and 1st half...
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    • RudyRuetigger
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-24-10
      • 65084

      #3
      we have a big time play


      will release tomorrow
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      • TheLock
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-06-08
        • 14427

        #4
        Good write up, Nashstradomus.
        I’m watching the market on this one.
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        • stackz125
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-03-16
          • 6191

          #5
          Any key starters out on both sides??
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            Guess
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            • carolinakid
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-12-11
              • 19106

              #7
              Updated Pos Player Injury Status Rec Yds Yds/Catch TD
              12/23 WR Tylan Wallace Knee Probable 53 872 16.5 6
              06:01am is upgraded to probable Tuesday vs Miami Florida
              Players listed as "?"
              12/20 QB Shane Illingworth COVID-19 "?"
              12:11pm is "?" Tuesday vs Miami Florida
              12/20 K Alex Hale Undisclosed "?"
              12:11pm is "?" Tuesday vs Miami Florida
              12/20 RB LD Brown Undisclosed "?"
              12:11pm is "?" Tuesday vs Miami Florida
              Players listed as OUT
              12/21 UT Jelani Woods Left Team OUT
              09:28am is out for season
              12/12 RB Chuba Hubbard Left Team OUT
              10:57am is out for season
              11/30 OL Teven Jenkins Left Team OUT
              02:24pm is out for season
              10/01 OL Cole Birmingham Foot OUT
              06:22am is out indefinitely
              09/28 DT Collin Clay Eligibility OUT
              08:31pm is out for season
              Updated Pos Player Injury Status
              Players listed as "?"
              12/20 WR Jeremiah Payton Undisclosed "?"
              08:55pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 OL Issiah Walker Jr. Undisclosed "?"
              03:19pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 LB Zach McCloud Undisclosed "?"
              03:19pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 DT Jared Harrison-Hunte Elbow "?"
              03:19pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 DT Jonathan Ford Undisclosed "?"
              03:19pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 RB Robert Burns Undisclosed "?"
              03:19pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 LB Sam Brooks Jr. Undisclosed "?"
              03:18pm is "?" Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              Players listed as OUT
              12/24 DL Jaelan Phillips Personal OUT
              06:01pm is OUT Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/20 DE Quincy Roche Personal OUT
              08:57pm is OUT Tuesday vs Oklahoma State
              12/12 RB Jaylan Knighton Shoulder OUT
              11:33am is out for season
              12/08 CB AL Blades Jr. Medical OUT
              02:53pm is out for season
              10/08 S Avantae Williams Undisclosed OUT
              07:24pm is out for season
              09/18 QB Tate Martell Personal OUT
              08:50pm is out for season
              09/10 OL Zalon'Tae Hillery Personal OUT
              04:17pm is out for season
              09/10 OL Kai-Leon Herbert Personal OUT
              04:17pm is out for season
              09/04 OL Navaughn Donaldson Personal OUT
              01:43am is out for season
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              • seaborneq
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-08-06
                • 22556

                #8
                No way will Miami play worse than they did against UNC. Miami has a chance with King at qb.
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                • stevenash
                  Moderator
                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65639

                  #9
                  Originally posted by seaborneq
                  No way will Miami play worse than they did against UNC.
                  Hurricane's were in a coma.
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                  • Roger T. Bannon
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 06-28-18
                    • 5139

                    #10
                    I would lean Oklahoma State but neither of these teams give a damn. If one of them does, it will be a blowout.
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                    • hehfest
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 09-28-08
                      • 7934

                      #11
                      I could see if it was a team like Tulane missing their D-Line because depth would not replace the same, but this is Miami. They've got backups that are better than Tulane's starters. Not in all cases, but case in point.
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                      • gauchojake
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 09-17-10
                        • 34116

                        #12
                        Is Tulane playing? No

                        Case in point.
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                        • stevenash
                          Moderator
                          • 01-17-11
                          • 65639

                          #13
                          Originally posted by gauchojake
                          Is Tulane playing? No

                          Case in point.
                          I took the high road and kept my mouth shut.
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                          • Philmill
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-30-11
                            • 4275

                            #14
                            Just look at it like last nights NFL game.... Miami going to get blowed out like the Pats did....
                            And the Refs are going to be blowing their whistles and throwing flags to keep the game close so joe public will stay tuned...
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                            • TheLock
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 04-06-08
                              • 14427

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon
                              I would lean Oklahoma State but neither of these teams give a damn. If one of them does, it will be a blowout.
                              I don’t agree on the motivation issue. 9th graders playing JV basketball get motivated to play. Two top 25 teams will be motivated to win on ESPN.
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                              • Okieirish
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 09-03-19
                                • 879

                                #16
                                I follow them and the Big 12. The OSU offensive line is awful. I like Miami. Honestly, I like anybody going against a BIG 12 team. The offenses have crashed in the Big 12 this year. That makes their defenses look better. They are not.
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                                • TheLock
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-06-08
                                  • 14427

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Okieirish
                                  I follow them and the Big 12. The OSU offensive line is awful. I like Miami. Honestly, I like anybody going against a BIG 12 team. The offenses have crashed in the Big 12 this year. That makes their defenses look better. They are not.
                                  Solid input, pal. Thank you.
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                                  • stevenash
                                    Moderator
                                    • 01-17-11
                                    • 65639

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Okieirish
                                    I follow them and the Big 12. The OSU offensive line is awful. I like Miami. Honestly, I like anybody going against a BIG 12 team. The offenses have crashed in the Big 12 this year. That makes their defenses look better. They are not.
                                    Good points.
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                                    • stevenash
                                      Moderator
                                      • 01-17-11
                                      • 65639

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheLock
                                      I don’t agree on the motivation issue. 9th graders playing JV basketball get motivated to play. Two top 25 teams will be motivated to win on ESPN.
                                      And I agree with this.

                                      I played organized sports, I would say a lot of posters here have played organized sports.

                                      Albeit a pickup game of hoops on the blacktop or a D1 NCAA football game, once that game starts and you are on that court or that field or whatever you are playing for real.
                                      It's the nature of the beast.
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                                      • Okieirish
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 09-03-19
                                        • 879

                                        #20
                                        I like the under. I do think OSU does have a decent defense. Miami does too.
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                                        • stevenash
                                          Moderator
                                          • 01-17-11
                                          • 65639

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Okieirish
                                          I like the under. I do think OSU does have a decent defense. Miami does too.
                                          Low 50's is what I am thinking.
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                                          • Roger T. Bannon
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 06-28-18
                                            • 5139

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TheLock
                                            I don’t agree on the motivation issue. 9th graders playing JV basketball get motivated to play. Two top 25 teams will be motivated to win on ESPN.
                                            You have not watched a lot of bowl games apparently.
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                                            • TheLock
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 04-06-08
                                              • 14427

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon
                                              You have not watched a lot of bowl games apparently.
                                              Rog, you’re right I haven’t watched a lot, but, I have watched some.

                                              I think you’re confusing bad football teams with lack of motivation. The motivation is there in 95% of these games, but there are a lot of bad teams playing in bowl games.
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                                              • Roger T. Bannon
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 06-28-18
                                                • 5139

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheLock
                                                Rog, you’re right I haven’t watched a lot, but, I have watched some.

                                                I think you’re confusing bad football teams with lack of motivation. The motivation is there in 95% of these games, but there are a lot of bad teams playing in bowl games.
                                                No, I am basing it on bad bowl bets. I would not touch this game with a 10-foot pole.
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                                                • TheLock
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 04-06-08
                                                  • 14427

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon
                                                  No, I am basing it on bad bowl bets. I would not touch this game with a 10-foot pole.
                                                  I won’t argue that.

                                                  However, I’m meeting some buddies for drinks and cigars soon and some ACTION is necessary.
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #26
                                                    King is horrific

                                                    Okl St much better talent and played tougher schedule
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                                                    • JamesBrown
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 04-07-08
                                                      • 3860

                                                      #27
                                                      Going with Miami 1h.
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                                                      • stackz125
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 01-03-16
                                                        • 6191

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by jjgold
                                                        King is horrific

                                                        Okl St much better talent and played tougher schedule
                                                        Goldy has a point.
                                                        King is terrible.
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                                                        • jagaf22
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 01-22-08
                                                          • 2932

                                                          #29
                                                          Oklahoma State is the play Miami is missing a lot on defense. Jaelan Phillips and Quincy Roche are sitting out waiting for the draft. The Canes are also without Jason Blissett, that's three defensive lineman. In addition safety Amari Carter the second leading tackler on the team is out. Take OKState here!!


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                                                          • Chi_archie
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-22-08
                                                            • 63172

                                                            #30
                                                            Miami wins by 10
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                                                            • TheLock
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 04-06-08
                                                              • 14427

                                                              #31
                                                              On Miami +1 small recreational

                                                              2H will probably present better opportunity
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                                                              • Roger T. Bannon
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 06-28-18
                                                                • 5139

                                                                #32
                                                                I'm on Okla State pick in Pick 6. If they lose, I can call it a year.
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                                                                • Smoke
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-09-09
                                                                  • 48111

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Good call stevenash
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                    King is horrific

                                                                    Okl St much better talent and played tougher schedule
                                                                    Thank You
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                                                                    • RM Logic
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 12-09-13
                                                                      • 847

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I see Miami is turning in their usual bowl performance. They have lost 9 of their last 10 bowl games.
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