Time to clean house in Minnesota

[MinnesotaFats]

They're not a bad team talent wise but it's time to move some pieces.

Kirk is fine at QB. Cook at RB and Jefferson looks to be a stud and Irv Smith is going to be a all pro TE.

The Offense needs line help and a #2 wr next year assuming Theilen gets traded.

DE we are fine when Hunter returns. Have best LB core in league when healthy, but Barr is out. 2 all pro safeties is great but need 2 corners and a nickle db to get more games under their belt.

Zimmer doesn't blitz...but his front 4 has 3 new faces and he has 3 rookie dbs so hey...something had to change, but Zimmer doesn't change.

[BuckyOne]

Everything goes both ways. Defense is weak and it puts pressure on the offense and vice versa. The whole world has Zimmers's defensive scheme scouted to the "T" and it is just not working. I think Zimmer is a DC and that is all that he is. He needs a boss to tell him to change it up, etc.

Maybe, it is a case of they paid too much money for Cousins and could not hold the rest of the team together?

They will never sign Cook again because he is hurt all the time so, yes, the team will probably be gutted at the end of the year.

[swordsandtequila]

They're not a bad team talent wise but it's time to move some pieces.

Kirk is fine at QB. Cook at RB and Jefferson looks to be a stud and Irv Smith is going to be a all pro TE.

The Offense needs line help and a #2 wr next year assuming Theilen gets traded.

DE we are fine when Hunter returns. Have best LB core in league when healthy, but Barr is out. 2 all pro safeties is great but need 2 corners and a nickle db to get more games under their belt.
Zimmer doesn't blitz...but his front 4 has 3 new faces and he has 3 rookie dbs so hey...something had to change, but Zimmer doesn't change.

A few guys in Tampa disagree...

[pablo222]

The team isn't shit. Faced 5 HOF qbs in first 6 weeks, that's brutal. Really should be 3-3 right now.

Zimmer plays a defense that needed those pre season games to get rookies ready + Hinter on the edge is still out and Barr too...but his defense is obsolete.

They'll be back next year but need to get 2nd edge rusher

[maggiethebestdog]

Minnyfats is either 100% trolling here, or he is posting from a psychiatric ward

[Enkhbat]

They need to improve that defense, that secondary stinks.

[jjgold]

Same qb’s lose its amazing and make a ton of money

[darrell74]

According to fatty, cousins is the best qb in the nfc north that isn't on the Packers, lions, or bears and when the Minnesota backup isn't in the film room. Then cousins is the best

Shots fired

[daneblazer]

I think there are weapons on offense and the OL will get better (how is theilen 30?)

however, the coach is a dinosaur and the Qb is mediocre. I think you can have a solid Playoff team with cousins, but the rest of the team has to be solid. It isn’t.

[clockwise1965]

If the Vikings had a window of opportunity. It certainly close when they lost to the Eagles in the NFC championship game a few years ago.

Zimmer hit his ceiling.

[daneblazer]

Bump

[daneblazer]

Reminder Dallas beat the Vikings on the road last week

[MinnesotaFats]

Zimmers defense so fukking retarded

Only success we had last few weeksxwas from rushing 5 (blitz)

He ALWAYS relays on 4 man rush when a team had what he considers a top 5 WR

Vikes would have beaten Dal if Zimm stuck to rushing LB off the edge and stunts up front...his cover 2 zone bs and cover 3 bs is just too easy for veteran qbs w stud wrs to pick apart

[ace7550]

There are some Qb's that you know will never win a SB. Cousins is one of those.

[MinnesotaFats]

There are some Qb's that you know will never win a SB. Cousins is one of those.

So is Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Matt Ryan, etc...

NOBODY winning shit when you give up 30 points per game.

Kirk Cousins is actually leading the NFL in pass yards per attempt and completion and is on pace for 66% completions, 35 tds, 19 ints and 3800 yards. There are only 4 QBs in the league right now I'd rather have. Vikings are sitting good at QB. Need D players or a coordinated gameplan that doesnt give up 30 fukking points per game. Kirk has scored over 28 in all but 2 games here

[Unrivaled]

So is Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Matt Ryan, etc...

NOBODY winning shit when you give up 30 points per game.

Kirk Cousins is actually leading the NFL in pass yards per attempt and completion and is on pace for 66% completions, 35 tds, 19 ints and 3800 yards. There are only 4 QBs in the league right now I'd rather have. Vikings are sitting good at QB. Need D players or a coordinated gameplan that doesnt give up 30 fukking points per game. Kirk has scored over 28 in all but 2 games here

Only 4? I can name like 15 at least.

He is a very average qb.

[MinnesotaFats]

Only 4? I can name like 15 at least.

He is a very average qb.

LOL no, hea not. Hes consistently a top ten passer in the league and has been for the better part of a decade.

There are better....Mahomes, Rodgers, there are equals like Wilson, Brees and Brady, but dollar for dollar, pass for pass, Cousins is top 5 to top 10 in the NFL 2015-2020. There's no debating the stats. Very few have better stats or records.

Plus Kirk takes EVERY snap, guy never hurt. Can't say that bout many. You wanna win you need consistent QB play.

[Unrivaled]

LOL no, hea not. Hes consistently a top ten passer in the league and has been for the better part of a decade.

There are better....Mahomes, Rodgers, there are equals like Wilson, Brees and Brady, but dollar for dollar, pass for pass, Cousins is top 5 to top 10 in the NFL 2015-2020. There's no debating the stats. Very few have better stats or records.

Plus Kirk takes EVERY snap, guy never hurt. Can't say that bout many. You wanna win you need consistent QB play.

Yes, he is equal to those 3 for sure. Your bias is showing.

Give any QBs Thielen and Diggs and they put up solid numbers. Give any QB a strong run game and suddenly it opens up the pass.

But let's compare him to 3 HOF QBs. Yes, this makes sense.

[cincinnatikid513]

can't win with a bum at qb

[MinnesotaFats]

Yes, he is equal to those 3 for sure. Your bias is showing.

Give any QBs Thielen and Diggs and they put up solid numbers. Give any QB a strong run game and suddenly it opens up the pass.

But let's compare him to 3 HOF QBs. Yes, this makes sense.

Theilen is trash, guy is 31 and should have been traded 3 weeks ago.

You think Buffalo is going anywhere lol, good luck.

Give any QB a good run game. Ok...how many rings does Tomlinsin have? How did Bell work out in NYJ, how about Sanders in Det? Not enough...ok, let's look at Chubb in Cle, or Hint who KC actually cut....or let's look at Adrian Pederson in MN....

Seriously, I'm not being mean

You need to learn the game

[Unrivaled]

Theilen is trash, guy is 31 and should have been traded 3 weeks ago.

You think Buffalo is going anywhere lol, good luck.

Give any QB a good run game. Ok...how many rings does Tomlinsin have? How did Bell work out in NYJ, how about Sanders in Det? Not enough...ok, let's look at Chubb in Cle, or Hint who KC actually cut....or let's look at Adrian Pederson in MN....

Seriously, I'm not being mean

You need to learn the game

If you are comparing Kirk Cousins to Brees, Wilson or Brady I seriously have to question if you have ever watched an NFL game in your life outside of the Vikings.

He's not trash, he is no Mike Glennon. But I'd put just a tier below QBs like Matt Ryan. So middle of the pack.

Teams plan against Vikings to stop Dalvin Cook. Of course the big pass plays can be made.

[Unrivaled]

can't win with a bum at qb

Exactly, Kirk is average. Can't win a superbowl with him.

[The Kraken]

Theilen is trash, guy is 31 and should have been traded 3 weeks ago.

You think Buffalo is going anywhere lol, good luck.

Give any QB a good run game. Ok...how many rings does Tomlinsin have? How did Bell work out in NYJ, how about Sanders in Det? Not enough...ok, let's look at Chubb in Cle, or Hint who KC actually cut....or let's look at Adrian Pederson in MN....

Seriously, I'm not being mean

You need to learn the game

You lost to ttwarrior in a tennis match, you don’t get to call other people trash

[MinnesotaFats]

If you are comparing Kirk Cousins to Brees, Wilson or Brady I seriously have to question if you have ever watched an NFL game in your life outside of the Vikings.

He's not trash, he is no Mike Glennon. But I'd put just a tier below QBs like Matt Ryan. So middle of the pack.

Teams plan against Vikings to stop Dalvin Cook. Of course the big pass plays can be made.

OMFG Brees is a dinosaur, Wilson is horseshit lately, Brady is fukking garbage versus anyone with a collegiate defense. You are living off past performance, Cousins will outperform all those guys, last year (he beat Brees in playoffs), this year, and every year going forward.

You need to learn the NFL is a futures bet, not a past performance league.

Cousins is and will be top 5 to top 10 dor next 5 years. Vikes in better position at QB than 25 other teams and WILL make playoffs and contend thereof going fwd. Saints, Bucs, Seahawks are all finished after this year buddy...sorry to break it to you, but that's how NFL works.

[Unrivaled]

OMFG Brees is a dinosaur, Wilson is horseshit lately, Brady is fukking garbage versus anyone with a collegiate defense. You are living off past performance, Cousins will outperform all those guys, last year (he beat Brees in playoffs), this year, and every year going forward.

You need to learn the NFL is a futures bet, not a past performance league.

Cousins is and will be top 5 to top 10 dor next 5 years. Vikes in better position at QB than 25 other teams and WILL make playoffs and contend thereof going fwd. Saints, Bucs, Seahawks are all finished after this year buddy...sorry to break it to you, but that's how NFL works.

Mahomes
Watson
Herbert
Burrow
Prescott
Stafford
Wilson
Rodgers
Ryan
Murray

All clearly better. He is in the next tier.

[Unrivaled]

Let's put it this way. Kirk is the 3rd best qb in his own division (at best could be argued 4th when Foles is playing good).

And when did this narrative begin that Thielen is bad? He is definitely top 25, probably top 15 in the league.

[MinnesotaFats]

Let's put it this way. Kirk is the 3rd best qb in his own division (at best could be argued 4th when Foles is playing good).

And when did this narrative begin that Thielen is bad? He is definitely top 25, probably top 15 in the league.

JFC dude, Theilen is 31 years old, his career is over. You are a rhube.

You're taking Fatty Matty and Rodgers over Cousins...interesting. who's got the better record and more playoff wins since 2017 of that bunch?

That's right....Kirk + Rodgers tied for playoff wins and Kirk w better record.

[Unrivaled]

JFC dude, Theilen is 31 years old, his career is over. You are a rhube.

You're taking Fatty Matty and Rodgers over Cousins...interesting. who's got the better record and more playoff wins since 2017 of that bunch?

That's right....Kirk + Rodgers tied for playoff wins and Kirk w better record.

It's a team sport. Rodgers will go down as one of the best ever and Kirk will go down as the qb with worst prime time record of all time.

[MinnesotaFats]

It's a team sport. Rodgers will go down as one of the best ever and Kirk will go down as the qb with worst prime time record of all time.

It is a team game, Rodgers is arguably the best QB of all time, deservedly so....but his career is winding up as well.

The Vikings have a QB that starts every game, didn't take a 1st rounder and 3 years to train, and gives then 66%, 3750, 35/15 every fukking year...and will for the next 5 to 7 years.

Guy is leading the league in ypa, ypc...usually that results in 30+ ppg and that's where the Minny offense is. It's the defense that's the problem. Hunter & Baar out, Zimmer stuck in his ways. However, the team had enough talent to finish 9-7 and that's a playoff birth this year, then look out.. NOONE in the NFC is inbeatable.

[Unrivaled]

It is a team game, Rodgers is arguably the best QB of all time, deservedly so....but his career is winding up as well.

The Vikings have a QB that starts every game, didn't take a 1st rounder and 3 years to train, and gives then 66%, 3750, 35/15 every fukking year...and will for the next 5 to 7 years.

Guy is leading the league in ypa, ypc...usually that results in 30+ ppg and that's where the Minny offense is. It's the defense that's the problem. Hunter & Baar out, Zimmer stuck in his ways. However, the team had enough talent to finish 9-7 and that's a playoff birth this year, then look out.. NOONE in the NFC is inbeatable.

Let's be realistic here, Kirk isn't leading them to a bunch of playoff wins.

He is good for throwing lots of yards and lots of interceptions too.

You may be more delusional than Morino, truly impressive. I wish I had that much optimism about the bears.

[MinnesotaFats]

Let's be realistic here, Kirk isn't leading them to a bunch of playoff wins.

He is good for throwing lots of yards and lots of interceptions too.

You may be more delusional than Morino, truly impressive. I wish I had that much optimism about the bears.

We shall see

More playoff wins than Brees and Brady combined last year, same as Rodgers.

Guy is 1-2-1 vs Rodgers in career.

Career stats speak for themselves, can Zimmers defense hold its own going fwd in '20 and beyond. Again, no team wins if they give up 30+ per game....this year Zimmer gets s pass, let the chips fall where they may. But going fwd Zimm will fix it and the Vikes are right back to 10-6/ 11-5 till 2024

[BuckyOne]

The offense is not the problem. The defense needs to dominate at the line of scrimmage. In theory, plug in a healthy Donald and Hicks from the Rams into the Vikes and there would be a night and day difference.

It is there / they have some talent but cannot stop the other team on defense when they have to.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Christ even a hurt McCaffrey wants to play vs Minny. He's now listed as questionable. He would put up 300 yards against that D

[ace7550]

Let's put it this way. Kirk is the 3rd best qb in his own division (at best could be argued 4th when Foles is playing good).

And when did this narrative begin that Thielen is bad? He is definitely top 25, probably top 15 in the league.

Foles came off the bench and won the Eagles a superbowl. I'd take Foles over Cousins.

[ace7550]

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