Bill and John, we could use your help when it comes to withdrawing from betcris...

[pags11]

dark horse,

funny stuff...love that Pulp Fiction...

aces,

excellent work...I'm glad that's on the drawing board...CRIS should come through...

tacomax,

pipe down, this thread is for people that actually have money in sportsbooks that actually place wagers...that's probably just one of your he-she ghosts anyway...

lvherbie,

same boat for me...had about $500 left to meet on my BTP winnings and was going to cash out via neteller this Friday some too...

buddy,

hope that you are correct here...definitely a way (along with other improvements) that can win them over a lot of the former pinny clientel...

as I stated before, I'm afraid we're headed back to cashier's checks and fed ex...

[pags11]

aces,

CRIS doesn't charge for myatm withdrawals and myatm charges you like 3% on withdrawals...is that correct?...

[Aces]

Yes but myatm is history Pags they went out today.

[pags11]

crap aces...that sucks...we are really handcuffed...really would like John and Bill's input on this...

[pags11]

anyone with any update on this?...

[4FUN.AND$$]

I am at sportsbook.com and they are doing bank to bank transfers for me(withdrawals). I ordered an ACH on Tuesday and my money was in my US bank account this morning. I posted a question on this site asking if that was normal for these times we are in but didn't get any feedback. I noticed some odd emails during the process and figured out how I THINK they are doing it but I am not for sure and don't want to speculate. I was using ******* and over the past few weeks have used the ACH which is free.... FYI I don't do any withdrawals other than in January so I am not means someone who has experience moving money all year. PM me if you want any details or if this helps. Maybe a transfer there and then into your account. I don't know what they offer in book to book transfers.

[pags11]

good thoughts 4 fun...will see about betcris doing a book to book transfer to WSEX or something...

[imgv94]

Hey any news yet?

[Bill Dozer]

anybody with any updates on this, please post them...

bill and john,

if you guys have any say at all, I'd highly recommend they implement something, because this will cause them to lose a lot of business...I'm sure they're probably aware of this and will most likely change their policies, but it wouldn't hurt for you guys to speak for the players...

Of course CRIS doesn't want to lose smaller players to competition but most books are in the same position right now. Everyone is trying to get something done. The payment processors are abandoning the books faster than the books can change their web pages and policies. Allow them some time for the dust to settle and to see what becomes available. We will see what they can do as well. The good news is your money is in a top book that has everyone's cash.

[imgv94]

How long do you think it will take?

[pags11]

Bill,

appreciate the response...respectfully though, I don't think the size of the player has anything to do with one considering $60 a reasonable cashout fee...yeah, maybe a guy betting a dime a game would say it's just $60, but today's gamblers are very savy and focus greatly on profit margins, regardless of their unit size...I'd pay $10 to $15 for a regularly mailed cashier's check, don't need the money tomorrow, but $60 is a rip (sorry to say), even if I get the money the next day...

we will definitely wait it out and your comment is true...better to have our money "stuck" (for lack of a better word) in CRIS than somewhere else...please keep us updated...thanks again for chiming in...

[knicknut]

Here's the letter I sent to CSD. I suggest you do too!

Hello,

I have been a dedicated player at your site for over a year and have wagered a very large amount.

I'm sure things are hectic there and you all are in a tough situation. To customers, cutting check limits in half (with the same EXCESSIVE fees) and reduced frequency looks like CRIS is dragging its heels and taking an extra cut to punish those who want to withdraw, and it's not reassuring for the many customers who might want to redeposit after this blows over and it is safe to play again. Other methods have even greater fees.

I urge you to reconsider your fee structure so that you do not lose future customers, including me. Other sportsbooks are offering free or cheap withdrawals to keep customers happy in this turbulent time. Charging me $240 over a month to receive my entire balance will probably cause me to not come back.

Regards,

me

[Wassymac]

Just wanted to comment. I pulled out an amount in the low 4 figures and to this point haven't been charged the $60 for the Cashier's Check fee. I'll keep ya posted.

[Bill Dozer]

Bill,

appreciate the response...respectfully though, I don't think the size of the player has anything to do with one considering $60 a reasonable cashout fee...yeah, maybe a guy betting a dime a game would say it's just $60, but today's gamblers are very savy and focus greatly on profit margins, regardless of their unit size...I'd pay $10 to $15 for a regularly mailed cashier's check, don't need the money tomorrow, but $60 is a rip (sorry to say), even if I get the money the next day...

we will definitely wait it out and your comment is true...better to have our money "stuck" (for lack of a better word) in CRIS than somewhere else...please keep us updated...thanks again for chiming in...

The small players are the ones they stand to lose... just the way it works out. Small players have more betting options and are paying a higher % to move $. If you are a big player or a sharp player you will use CRIS.

No one wants to pay even the $30 WSEX charges for checks but that's what we have available at the moment. We'll see what's cooking tomorrow.

[imgv94]

I just asked them how much it costs to transfer funds to another book and they said $50? WTF??????? That should be free..

Just read this on their site though

BetCRIS has a 20-year record of prompt payouts
With the sudden loss of popular processors Neteller and Citadel,
we are asking customers to limit payout requests to one request every 7 days,
and to please expect 7-10 days business for all payout requests to be processed.
Be assured that this is a short-term, temporary policy, and
we will have new payout methods available very soon.

[knicknut]

I just asked them how much it costs to transfer funds to another book and they said $50? WTF??????? That should be free..

Just read this on their site though

BetCRIS has a 20-year record of prompt payouts
With the sudden loss of popular processors Neteller and Citadel,
we are asking customers to limit payout requests to one request every 7 days,
and to please expect 7-10 days business for all payout requests to be processed.
Be assured that this is a short-term, temporary policy, and
we will have new payout methods available very soon.

I was just about to ask about the cross transfer.

I asked about what new methods they were looking at and when they'd be available. He gave me no useful information.

For an "A" book, CRIS has BY FAR the worst withdrawal policies and fees of any top book, even before NT. Who charges $60 to print a check for $4900?

[louis]

CRIS did me a click 2 pay for free

They paid me a Click 2 Pay and did not charge any fees. The amount was about $5K. I then requested a check from Click 2Pay and they did not charge any fees.

[knicknut]

Wassymac, have you been charged $60 yet?

Maybe they only do it when they issue it, or maybe they're being nice to their more valued customers.

[Wassymac]

The $$ is gone from my account but no check yet. Still haven't been charged the $60.

[moses millsap]

CRIS should double their charges if it will improve their CS.

[imgv94]

If CRIS didn't have early lines they would be a real shit book.

[pags11]

unfortunately Bill, it's more than just small players that stand to lose...it's medium players, big players and CRIS that stands to lose...with books like matchbook offering free payouts, sharp players will seek out books such as them where they are getting not only reduced juice but no payout fees...

don't get me wrong, I'm a huge CRIS fan and am very appreciative of their generosity in sponsoring the Beat the Prick contest...that is not in dispute, I think they are one of the top 2 books out there (due to their track record, the early lines, pretty good software, good bonus policy, etc.)...

I talk to a lot of players and there many players that are very concerned about this single, highly-costly payout method...

I can understand the payouts once every 7-10 days, that I can live with...a $60 payout fee for a fedex check (that 7 years ago sportsbook.com used to send me at no charge) I can't live with...

[pags11]

by the way, there's a huge difference between a $30 payout fee and a $60 payout fee (and then a $91 payout fee for that matter)...$30 is high but not absurd...$60 is ridiculous...

[knicknut]

especially when the limits were recently cut in half. That effectively doubles the charge for large balances.

[imgv94]

I might pay $30 to withdrawl.

But I refuse to pay $60 that is just nuts..

Bill JOHN are you guys working on this?

[goldengoat]

i think you guys are definitely asking too much of bill or john

i think that fee is too high too but what are bill or john supposed to do about it?

i would wait til things settle or just eat it if i had a large balance i wanted out that bad

i also think it sucks people calling cris a sh\t book when they and sbr had the great beat the prick contest

don't bite the hand that feeds you

[knicknut]

i think you guys are definitely asking too much of bill or john

i think that fee is too high too but what are bill or john supposed to do about it?

i would wait til things settle or just eat it if i had a large balance i wanted out that bad

i also think it sucks people calling cris a sh\t book when they and sbr had the great beat the prick contest

don't bite the hand that feeds you

Well, when that hand is now slapping you in the face...

I agree, though. This isn't something Bill or John could do much about (although making them aware of a very common complaint would certainly be a good thing, but I don't know what their relationship is).

[pags11]

goldengoat and knicknut,

I think you guys doubt how powerful SBR (and both Bill and John) have become...I've watched this company grow and is highly respected among everyone in the industry (especially the good books)...these guys are the straw that stirs the drink between the player and the book...

Bill's made one phone call on a number of occasions for me and shit was handled immediately...I don't expect this to be the case here, as CRIS and other books are really just re-grouping right now...however, when guys like IMGV and myself come into this thread and express our opinion, I think that both John and Bill know this is a real issue...

my hope is that in their continued communications with not only CRIS, but other books, ultimately they will have some less expensive solution for us...all businesses evolve over the course of time, which CRIS has always done...

other than them rounding bets and the high payout fees (and maybe a little better CS), they really have no chinks in their armor...I'm confident they will come out of this time of adversity stronger than before...

please understand that IMGV, myself and others are really giving more feedback for Bill and John to pass along...I'm a big believer in "considering the source" and I think SBR and the top books are as well...I'm not looking to scam CRIS, I understand there are operating costs, but I really think another option (possibly a regularly mailed, or 5 day UPS mailed check) at a lower cost is a definite must when books like betjamaica (major competitor), WSEX (major competitor), matchbook (up and coming competitor) and even Bodog (yes I said bodog) are offering much cheaper (to no cost) withdrawal options...

we'll just keep taking it day by day, but at this point, we've saved $10 by CRIS acknowledging that they charge $50 for book to book transfers (ouch!), that ultimately can be withdrawn for free at other books (after giving those books a little action I'm sure)...still cheaper than a $60 cashier's check...

keep the faith guys, Bill and John are legit...

[knicknut]

Sure, pags. Didn't mean to imply they didn't have the power or resources.

I just meant that since they're usually called into action when a book has done something outrightly WRONG, they might have less priority/stake in this.

But I'm glad you have the clout to make shit happen

[goldengoat]

i do not doubt the pull bill or john have in fixing individual cases where players are stiffed or in influencing books away from shady tactics but this is more of a standard for all players at cris

no one is being singled out

that withdrawal fee is ridiculous

i think it will lose them some smaller customers

i also think it is short term cause of the panic going on to get your money out

it is kinda crappy to seize the moment to get more from their players but it is a double edged sword as well cause players will remember

i expect the withdrawal fees at cris to go down when the smoke clears a bit or also for another alternative

[slash]

How come they don't tell on their deposit page that they are in slow pay mode? I hate bs like that.

[Wassymac]

Update - Just got the check from BetCris today. Requested it last Friday and was never charged the $60 fee.

[pags11]

knicknut and goldengoat,

excellent thoughts guys...


slash,

it is unfortunate that this is the case right now, but I expect CRIS to get things back to normal soon...

wassymac,

good to hear bud...

[knicknut]

Asked about sportsbook transfers, and they were very cryptic.

"I won't tell you which we offer, you have to ask about specific ones."

I asked WSEX, Matchbook, Bodog and was told no each time. Asked Greek and he reluctantly said yes, but I don't know if the 1x rollover is worth it at a full juice book like that.

Apparently according to RX they're offering Loyalty Point payments for withdrawals. Wish I had some left...

[capitalist pig]

think longterm

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