Was Brady always a product of Belichick?

[Unrivaled]

Belichick's team looking pretty decent with a washed up QB who everyone said was done and half their defense sitting the season scared of Covid. Offense looking pretty good and this crap QB suddenly looks great.

Meanwhile in Tampa, Brady throwing ducks and almost losing the game today with that momentum turning pick. We know how bad he played last week too.

Would Brady be the "goat" without Belichick? I say no.

[johnnyvegas13]

Agree but who cares

[Kermit]

Brady never took a huge payday to play because he wanted to win. That is why he was successful. Cam is just lucky to be there.

[Yulia74]

yes

tommy is the greatest dink and dunk passer of all time

[lakerboy]

Belichick is the greatest coach ever to live.

[Hot Jerry]

YES , u have to be if u want to have a job with Belichick or any coach for that matter !!

[ChiLLx]

They both are great and both complimented each other. Both of these things can be true you know

[trobin31]

Brady’s first year in one of most complex offenses created...calm down

[Wrongside]

Not an open and shut case by any means, but interesting questions for thought.

Funny because the Bucs are considered strong SB contenders (I don't necessarily disagree)

However, given that one could argue based off performances by Cam that he is the better QB right now...

So...then one has to ask the question whether or not we would we be saying the Bucs were such serious SB contenders if they had signed Cam?

[Kermit]

Jesus Christ, Brady is 43 years old now. Go look at his stats from when he was in his prime. Prime Brady could take any team to the Superbowl.

[pologq]

they both fit together like PB and J

[Mac4Lyfe]

Belichick's team looking pretty decent with a washed up QB who everyone said was done and half their defense sitting the season scared of Covid. Offense looking pretty good and this crap QB suddenly looks great.

Meanwhile in Tampa, Brady throwing ducks and almost losing the game today with that momentum turning pick. We know how bad he played last week too.

Would Brady be the "goat" without Belichick? I say no.

Do you really think an average QB would have 9 Super Bowl appearances and 6 SB wins? If Brady isn’t the goat than who is?

Youre trying to compare an aging Brady, who is still kicking ass to a Brady in his prime? Come on man. You don’t have to put down Brady to elevate Belicheck or vice versa. They both are the best in the biz. I just hate that my Browns use to have BB as a head coach.

[DOM-Ganador]

OP, that would be a no.
BB is irreplaceable in the dynasty. Undisputed. Case closed.
BUT, TB was a great, HOF QB.
For his entire career, Brady took less than market value for his services.
That helped the team sign better players.

Are there other QB`s who would have been comparable to Brady during the run. Yes.
We saw one last night in Russell Wilson.
Would he have signed all those undervalued contracts? Don`t think so.

[adila1401]

obviously not, both excelled due to partnership

everyone gets old, happens to be Brady's turn to acknowledge father time

[Mac4Lyfe]

OP, that would be a no.
BB is irreplaceable in the dynasty. Undisputed. Case closed.
BUT, TB was a great, HOF QB.
For his entire career, Brady took less than market value for his services.
That helped the team sign better players.

Are there other QB`s who would have been comparable to Brady during the run. Yes.
We saw one last night in Russell Wilson.
Would he have signed all those undervalued contracts? Don`t think so.

I agree with most of your post. TB took less money to help the team and played many years without many playmakers.

but Russell Wilson has also taken pay cuts. He took one in 2015 then he restructured his contract in 2017 to help sign more players. MANY players in the league have taken discounts to help their teams not just TB. A lot of times players are forced to take pay cuts. Brady converted a lot of his salary into guaranteed money which helped the Pats but it also helped him too. Players are philanthropic but they still want to get paid.

[swordsandtequila]

Last year in this offense Winston threw for 5100 yds and 33 tds. I think Brady will be ok.

[RavensFan2k3]

Agree but who cares

This is basically the only answer lol

[marcoloco]

I always thought yes, was never a big Brady fan. I always said it was the system. But he is on new team, new system, new coach, early in the season and he is old. I think it was foolish for everyone expecting him to come out dominating. Especially since he did not look great last year.

[EmpireMaker]

Cam's shoulder was still injured last year and now it is very strong and Bellichick has taught him to make his throws much better form wise. So it is a mix of both Newton physically feeling and playing better and Bellichick improving Cam's game.

[blankoblanco]

Jesus Christ, Brady is 43 years old now. Go look at his stats from when he was in his prime. Prime Brady could take any team to the Superbowl.

This. Lol, wtf is this thread

I guess Jordan's not the GOAT because he wasn't that amazing on the Wizards...

[BigdaddyQH]

The two were great togerther. Now that they are apart, not so much. Everyone is ranting and raving about BB, but didn't he LOSE last night? Two teams at 1-1. That is about right.

[mjsuax13]

The two were great togerther. Now that they are apart, not so much. Everyone is ranting and raving about BB, but didn't he LOSE last night? Two teams at 1-1. That is about right.

Hey coward, you are 0-2 against me cockroach. What’s that say about you?

[stevenash]

Belichick is the greatest coach ever to live.

Remember though it was Parcells who gave him a second chance in coaching 25 years ago.

[Fred The Hammer]

They both are great and both complimented each other. Both of these things can be true you know

Theres the answer. For one thing the wind was howling in Tampa yesterday. I had the Over big and never checked the weather. I got lucky as hell when Fournette broke one off after an onside kick in the end (and the xp) to win by .5 point

Brady (and Bridgewater) couldn't do shit into the wind because their arms are so weak. Tampa had a perfect flea flicker but the WR had to wait on Brady's weak ass pass and couldn't score. Should've been a jog in TD. Brady had another guy wide open for a TD down the left sideline and threw a duck. He still hit McCoy in the hands in the end zone. He's still deadly, but he can't overcome a strong wind. This is 43 yr old Brady though? Banging supermodels and eating grass might help, but nobody beats Father time.

[moses millsap]

Joe Montana is the GOAT

[swordsandtequila]

Theres the answer. For one thing the wind was howling in Tampa yesterday. I had the Over big and never checked the weather. I got lucky as hell when Fournette broke one off after an onside kick in the end (and the xp) to win by .5 point

Brady (and Bridgewater) couldn't do shit into the wind because their arms are so weak. Tampa had a perfect flea flicker but the WR had to wait on Brady's weak ass pass and couldn't score. Should've been a jog in TD. Brady had another guy wide open for a TD down the left sideline and threw a duck. He still hit McCoy in the hands in the end zone. He's still deadly, but he can't overcome a strong wind. This is 43 yr old Brady though? Banging supermodels and eating grass might help, but nobody beats Father time.

In fairness to Brady, the flea flicker duck had nothing to do with the wind or his arm. He never got the laces (timing was a little off on the pitch back, plus some pressure). Watch the replay, basically threw the ball with laces up. Add heat and sweat, I'm just happy he got it there at all. And the sideline pass hit Grayson in the fukn' noggin'. He's a practice player call up, speedster trying to learn wr. A legit wr would have walked into the endzone.

[stevenash]

Joe Montana is the GOAT

I still believe this too.
You want to tell me Brady and Montana equally, OK. but Montana in my book by a slight edge.
One think Joe Cool had that Brady didn't though was Mr. Rice.

[sackdud]

did you guys know that randy moss has never won a suberbowl

[thomorino]

Brady benefitted from the system hut was still great, he’s 43 now and it’s only week 2.

[thomorino]

I still believe this too.
You want to tell me Brady and Montana equally, OK. but Montana in my book by a slight edge.
One think Joe Cool had that Brady didn't though was Mr. Rice.

Marino in his prime was better than both.

[DOM-Ganador]

I agree with most of your post. TB took less money to help the team and played many years without many playmakers.

but Russell Wilson has also taken pay cuts. He took one in 2015 then he restructured his contract in 2017 to help sign more players. MANY players in the league have taken discounts to help their teams not just TB. A lot of times players are forced to take pay cuts. Brady converted a lot of his salary into guaranteed money which helped the Pats but it also helped him too. Players are philanthropic but they still want to get paid.

Mac, isn`t Russ making about 40 now?? I am fairly certain that Brady was never in the top 5 QBs against the cap during the entire run.
Yes, he married Gis who is worth more than him ( WTF is wrong in this world?) so he has generational wealth and will probably end up a billionaire.

I could google some stats, but I think he was outside top 10 for a SB or two.

[DOM-Ganador]

I still believe this too.
You want to tell me Brady and Montana equally, OK. but Montana in my book by a slight edge.
One think Joe Cool had that Brady didn't though was Mr. Rice.

Nash, I am pretty old and wasn`t into NFL that much until after Montana retired.
The one thing that always stuck out about him is how cool he was under pressure.
During a SB or at least a playoff game in crunch time, Joe goes back to the huddle.
Everyone is nervous a shit. He lifts his head up, points to the stands:
"Hey, isn`t that John Candy over there? I love that guy"

I maybe have some details wrong, but nobody else in the history of the game would pull that off.

[stevenash]

Marino in his prime was better than both.

Marino was not better than both prime or no prime.

He was a top ten all time QB but nowhere near Montana or Brady.
(or Brees, or Favre, or......)

When it's all said and done both Ben and Rivers will have more career passing yards than Marino.

Marino was an 8 and 10 playoff QB
Marino threw three picks in his last playoff game in a 62-7 loss to Jax.
All time GOAT caliber QB's don't throw 24 picks in 18 playoff games.

Marino threw so much because in the 17 seasons he played for the Dolphins 16 of those seasons Miami did not have a 1000 yard running back.
16 out of 17 years Miami had virtually no run game.
The only year Marino had a 1000 yard rusher in his backfield was in 1996 when Abdul-Jabar ran for a little over 1100.
Here's the link, I'll save you the trouble of doing the research. (that's my job)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/1996.htm

Get out of here with your Marino as GOAT.
Marino was a compiler.

[stevenash]

Nash, I am pretty old and wasn`t into NFL that much until after Montana retired.
The one thing that always stuck out about him is how cool he was under pressure.
During a SB or at least a playoff game in crunch time, Joe goes back to the huddle.
Everyone is nervous a shit. He lifts his head up, points to the stands:
"Hey, isn`t that John Candy over there? I love that guy"

I maybe have some details wrong, but nobody else in the history of the game would pull that off.

I was a like 14 years old or so when Montana was in his prime.
To this date he remains the calmest and most clutch pro athlete I've ever seen.
Him and Michael.

[Unrivaled]

Brady stinks, product of Belichick.

Has the most weapons of any offense in the league too.