Love Va Tech +5 Sept 5: Outright

Money · 08-24-09, 09:11 PM

VT has a strong redshirt freshmen running back who has been claiming he can handle the running load since he committed to the hokies as a senior in high school. I believe this game will be a struggle for him and VT will be blown out similar to the game a few years back against LSU. Tyrod Taylor, the Hokies QB, will not be able to use his legs quite as much against this fast LSU defense and his passing is always incosisent. I look for a big blowout by the LSU Tigers. However look for VT to steam roll the ACC this year and make it back to a BCS bowl for the third year in a row.

firedawg · 08-24-09, 09:13 PM

bama rolls

bama 28 vt 10

Sam Odom · 08-28-09, 08:41 AM

The big books are off the 7, too much pressure.

jjgold · 09-05-09, 10:03 PM

Why am I broke?

SlickFazzer · 09-05-09, 10:06 PM

v tech offense struggles

Sam Odom · 09-05-09, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Why am I broke?

Originally posted by SlickFazzer

v tech offense struggles

As I said.

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Alabama wins! Two reasons, Saban & defense.

diogee · 09-05-09, 10:57 PM

Damn missed this thread.

yisman · 09-05-09, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

The problem is that you are not posting the results of every top 25 team they played. If you don't know how or where to find final rankings then you shouldn't discuss CFB. Who cares where a team starts because preseason polls are garbage. Case in point, you list GT a couple of times but they were unranked at the end of the season. How and why they were even ranked preseason is beyond me. To use any of the teams you used means nothing because they were all poor teams. I'm still asking you to show me 1 quality win that VT has had? Even better, show me a win over a top 10 team??? They don't have any... The best you will find is the 04 win over Miami who was ranked #11...

I have nothing against VT and they are a quality team. They are consistent at winning 10 games a year BUT I can't find any signature wins, anywhere. Anytime they play a top 10 team they lose. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not sure where the SEC came into this discussion because I could care less about the SEC. I'm a Florida fan but that doesn't mean I'm an SEC fan. UF has had many signature wins in the same time span but I'm not getting into a comparison contest. I said and I still stand by what I said and I quote "When is the last time VT has had a signature win (don't say Cinci last year). VT hasn't beaten a quality team since they were in the Big East "

The only fair way is to use ranking at the time of the game. The reason all of the teams which lost to VT had lower final rankings was because they lost to VT.

It's like saying a top team played a weak schedule because the teams they played finished the season with a combined record of under .500, ignoring the fact that the top team beating those teams helped those teams have a bad combined record.

head_strong · 09-06-09, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by head_strong

Not smart, please do not put the SEC and ACC in the same sentence. VT would struggle to finish above .500 in the SEC. Alabama-5, I'll probably buy 2 and load up on Bama-3.

VT off to slow starts the past 2 seasons....
2008
Week 1 vs East Carolina 22-27 L Charlotte, NC
Week 2 vs Furman 24-7 W (score was 3-0 @ halftime) Home Game
2007
Week 1 vs East Carolina 17-7 W (if is wasn't for our starting QB (Pinkney) getting hurt right before the half and Brett Clay coming in and immediately throwing a pick 6 who knows what could have happened) Home Game
Week 2 @ LSU 7-48 L

jjgold · 09-06-09, 06:21 AM

VA Tech gave them the game

Bama is pretty good though better than I thought

Sam Odom · 09-06-09, 09:09 AM

Just one game and its over, time to move on.

jjgold · 09-06-09, 09:39 AM

Good call Sammy

you warned me

Mac4Lyfe · 09-06-09, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by yisman

The only fair way is to use ranking at the time of the game. The reason all of the teams which lost to VT had lower final rankings was because they lost to VT.

It's like saying a top team played a weak schedule because the teams they played finished the season with a combined record of under .500, ignoring the fact that the top team beating those teams helped those teams have a bad combined record.

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in a while. What does it matter if a team loses to VT? They can still bounce back during the year. If a team loses they still can be in the top 5 (look at USC last year). Hell look at Florida last year and 2006. The bigger question is "can VT beat a top 5 team"?? The answer is no because they've never done it.

Do you really believe in these ridiculous preseason rankings? In season rankings are horsechit. Let's see how these teams play out at the end of the year. VT has routinely beaten average teams BUT they are 1-19 against top 10 teams. What does that tell you? They are OVERRATED. Good team, always good for 10 wins but they pile up these wins over average mediocre ACC teams. Put them in any other conference and they would be lucky to win 8 games a year. I don't mean to sound like I'm putting them down but I don't know how so many people like to vault them into an elite team when they clearly have not been.

Mac4Lyfe · 09-06-09, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Good call Sammy

you warned me

I think many people warned you on this one...

yisman · 09-06-09, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in a while. What does it matter if a team loses to VT? They can still bounce back during the year. If a team loses they still can be in the top 5 (look at USC last year). Hell look at Florida last year and 2006. The bigger question is "can VT beat a top 5 team"?? The answer is no because they've never done it.

Do you really believe in these ridiculous preseason rankings? In season rankings are horsechit. Let's see how these teams play out at the end of the year. VT has routinely beaten average teams BUT they are 1-19 against top 10 teams. What does that tell you? They are OVERRATED. Good team, always good for 10 wins but they pile up these wins over average mediocre ACC teams. Put them in any other conference and they would be lucky to win 8 games a year. I don't mean to sound like I'm putting them down but I don't know how so many people like to vault them into an elite team when they clearly have not been.

1)I'm saying the ranking at the time of the game is the only thing you can possibly look at.

2)Yes, if a team loses to Virginia Tech, their rankings to finish the season will be lower. You cannot take into the equation the loss to Virginia Tech in evaluating the quality of the team, and looking at end of the season rankings does exactly that.

Hint: None of the teams that lost to Virginia Tech were going to finish in the top 5 at the end of the season, and for a very good reason.

Mac4Lyfe · 09-06-09, 11:10 AM

Yisman - If any team loses, there ranking is going to take a hit. What does that have to do with them having a signature win???

My question still stands that I'm still trying to figure out when was the last time they had a signature win.

Jimmydafreak · 09-06-09, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in a while. What does it matter if a team loses to VT? They can still bounce back during the year. If a team loses they still can be in the top 5 (look at USC last year). Hell look at Florida last year and 2006. The bigger question is "can VT beat a top 5 team"?? The answer is no because they've never done it.

Do you really believe in these ridiculous preseason rankings? In season rankings are horsechit. Let's see how these teams play out at the end of the year. VT has routinely beaten average teams BUT they are 1-19 against top 10 teams. What does that tell you? They are OVERRATED. Good team, always good for 10 wins but they pile up these wins over average mediocre ACC teams. Put them in any other conference and they would be lucky to win 8 games a year. I don't mean to sound like I'm putting them down but I don't know how so many people like to vault them into an elite team when they clearly have not been.

I explained in my writeup why VT cannot compete with the top teams in the country. The reason is that they don't RECRUIT with the top teams in the country, and recruiting is the lifeblood of any program. VT's last 5 recruiting classes ranked as follows: 23, 18, 29, 32 & 14. By comparison Bama's recruiting classes ranked 1, 1, 10, 11, & 18. This is a huge disparity in overall talent.

The only teams to have competed for a national title in the last 6 years are Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, USC & Ohio State. ALL of these teams have top 10 recruiting classes EVERY year, and usually top 5 classes. That is one of the primary reasons these teams are playing for national championships and VT is not. Bama has quickly joined the the ranks of these other 6 teams with their last 3 recruiting classes. And because Saban is one of the best recruiters in the country, don't expect their recruiting to fall off anytime soon.

Beamer does an outstanding job of developing and coaching the talent he has, but when they have to play a team with superior talent like they did last night, the will fall short almost every trip of the train. And level of TALENT is the reason why.

yisman · 09-10-09, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Yisman - If any team loses, there ranking is going to take a hit. What does that have to do with them having a signature win???

My question still stands that I'm still trying to figure out when was the last time they had a signature win.

Your definition of "signature win" appears to hinge upon season-ending rankings. As I said, almost no team will have a signature win if you go by the opposition's season-ending ranking.

If you want to use rankings, you have to use the rankings at the time of the game. They beat teams ranked at #6 and #9 in 2004. Few teams did that.