One thing that sucks about Matchy now!

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  • bettilimbroke999
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-04-08
    • 13254

    #1
    One thing that sucks about Matchy now!
    Yes I agree matchy is great but here's what I dislike about the new commission format

    Offers made well before gametime almost never get matched, there's like a frozen period, now eventually that line moves and all the odds on that side of the move are of course accepted but the other side is completely unmatched

    Give ya an example of recent game and why I dont like this:

    Odds available were -117/+115 on tomorrow's NFL preseason game so I stick in a bet (wisely I thought) at -116 on Buf +3 since there was clearly a gap to enter and be the first one in at those odds, now my bet just sat there all yesterday, I placed it in the afternoon and went to bed with it still up there, STILL FUKIN UNMATCHED!!! Now I check the lines now and see it was completely matched but fuk the lines moved down to -112/+111 by now so the only reason it was matched was bc -116 was 4 cents worse than the current line

    So what's the point in offering rather than accepting well ahead of gametime, bc theres no chance of you getting matched unless the odds move against you then the comm u saved by offering is just blown and then some on the worse odds you got than the current line

    In short my problem with the current matchy system is that there is almost no reason for a person to ACCEPT a bet well before gametime (when they have to either accept it or not have a bet) UNLESS the odds are moving then they just take the good offers (at least the good ones that weren't being watched constantly and taken down the moment the line started to move) and leave the bad ones

    What's the point in offering a one cent line and not getting 1 dollar matched for 12 hours then getting screwed when you go to bed that night and wake up to a line that's moved 5 cents?

    Offering a couple bets at matchy a day or two before gametime has convinced me that the vast majority of bets must be placed within like 1 to 2 hours before the game, I'm talkin like 90%+, offering and getting in at a good number early on at matchy is basically impossible
  • JoshW
    SBR MVP
    • 08-10-05
    • 3431

    #2
    I agree. It has always been a problem to put up an offer and leave it up when you are gone. It has gotten much worse now as it is highly unlikley to be matched unless the line moves against you, because everyone wants to post an offer first and only then only take if they really need the bet.

    I think it will reach a point, where only very few post offers and most just have to be happy to take them. I wish it would go back to 2% of win.
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    • bettilimbroke999
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-04-08
      • 13254

      #3
      I agree with you on going back to the 2% win model leading up to gameday at least, I know that sounds a little ridiculous and complicated but its just a fact that this last bet was just a joke, I offered 1 CENT less than the current offer (my wager was 200 and there was like 3000 1 cent above and below my offer) and couldnt even get a dollar matched all day and that's on the first and only Sunday night NFL game in 6 month (yea I know its preseason but c'mon we all know we'll be watching it) then as soon as the line moves the other way where its costing me money of course it was all matched

      This wasn't a HUGE bet or anything, but I bet 200 and that's a big enough bet for me and I'll lose an extra 8 bucks if it loses now when I could've waited til now to bet and gotten it at -112, bc if the line moved the other way I wasn't going to get matched anyway

      It's fine the current system shortly before gametime bc there's lots of bettors looking to make offers or accept bets but the current system eliminates any advantage you get by offering bets early on
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      • bookie
        SBR MVP
        • 08-10-05
        • 2112

        #4
        This is a problem...but why in the world would you think that going back to 2% would address that problem?

        Since all the betting is done at the bell anyway I the thing I would have matchbook do is have two trading sessions for each major sport. The first would be right after the lines came out, and for a couple of hours those who wanted to play chicken with each other about which way the line might drift could have at it. And the second one would begin two hours before kickoff, tipoff, or first pitch. That would result in people coming to their computers to bet instead of hanging around all day looking to pick off a line move. Wouldn't hurt their volume, I don't think, and would put all the buyers and sellers in the room together ready to do business.
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        • Nicky Santoro
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 04-08-08
          • 16103

          #5
          bettor,

          it took you this long to figure this out?? of course that always happens.. these guys at matchy are pros.. they are vultures.. of course they'll eat up your price when there's a move and not touch it all day when there's nothing.. whatever you do, do NOT try this with NBA or you will get eaten alive.. if you put up a Lakers -11.5 all day, and Kobe is announced out at 4 pm, your -11.5 will get eaten up fast, and then line will be Lakers -6.5 and you will be stuck with -11.5.. or any type of good player out, you will get fukked..

          these guys are heartless at matchy.. you better be on your toes or you will get eaten alive there.. the only advice i can give you is to just play into the price offered and swallow the commission. it's still a great deal and much better than pinny on every game, but at least you won't get hammered by the pros.. half will go for you. half will go against you..
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          • bettilimbroke999
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 02-04-08
            • 13254

            #6
            Yea Nicky that's good advice, I guess I got a little greedy, I figured I could save a couple bucks on the odds and save a couple bucks on the commission by simply offering the middle number and of course couldnt get shit matched then the vultures ate me while I slept, I dont normally make bets before gameday so still learning
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            • Nicky Santoro
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-08-08
              • 16103

              #7
              bettor,

              in my early days at matchy, that used to happen alot to me.. it was frustrating as hell when all my games matched closed 20 cents off the closing line.. i get Knicks +6.5 even matched.. i am happy.. i look at line 4 min after, it's +8 +105..

              another thing you can do is put in all your bets 5-10 min before game time and they will all be matched and you don't have to worry about any major moves..
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              • bettilimbroke999
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-04-08
                • 13254

                #8
                Thanks Nicky, the lines looked so tight I thought a 200 bet would be matched fast but a couple days before gameday there just aint much normal action, just pros and they're not doing any accepting unless the lines moving early on
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                • Igetp2s
                  SBR MVP
                  • 05-21-07
                  • 1046

                  #9
                  I commented on this problem when they switched commission models, but didn't get much discussion about it. The prior structure of 2% of win gave no incentive to posting offers, so posting anything was a huge risk. With this current model, they went too far in the other direction, and made accepting offers much worse than posting offers, so nobody wants to accept if they can post an offer instead for 1 cent better.

                  They need to narrow the spread between posting and accepting offers (currently 1.2%) for football, while still giving some benefit to posting offers to compensate for the added risk.

                  They'd be better off and get more volume with 0% commission for posting offers, and .8% for accepting, compared to what they have now, instead of -.2% and 1%.
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                  • Nicky Santoro
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 04-08-08
                    • 16103

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Igetp2s
                    I commented on this problem when they switched commission models, but didn't get much discussion about it. The prior structure of 2% of win gave no incentive to posting offers, so posting anything was a huge risk. With this current model, they went too far in the other direction, and made accepting offers much worse than posting offers, so nobody wants to accept if they can post an offer instead for 1 cent better.

                    They need to narrow the spread between posting and accepting offers (currently 1.2%) for football, while still giving some benefit to posting offers to compensate for the added risk.

                    They'd be better off and get more volume with 0% commission for posting offers, and .8% for accepting, compared to what they have now, instead of -.2% and 1%.
                    you're right.. my fukkin volume of bets will drop for other sports if they don't change it.. now it's ok at 0.6% each way.. but when NFL, NBA, and NHL start, it will be 1% each way, or really now close to 2% in reality.. wtf is this 2%? this is a joke.. you are right, the diff is day and night.. if someone accepts offer, you get 0.2%.. if not, you pay 2%.. the swing is too big..

                    you know what, players are going to be playing now cat and mouse and each will be waiting for the other guy to accept it.. no one will bet it now.. matchy has to change this rule.. it's a 2.2% swing now in accepting or taking an offer.. no one will budge anymore..

                    matchy, pls change this system and lower the %.. we dont like it..
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                    • Igetp2s
                      SBR MVP
                      • 05-21-07
                      • 1046

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                      you're right.. my fukkin volume of bets will drop for other sports if they don't change it.. now it's ok at 0.6% each way.. but when NFL, NBA, and NHL start, it will be 1% each way, or really now close to 2% in reality.. wtf is this 2%? this is a joke.. you are right, the diff is day and night.. if someone accepts offer, you get 0.2%.. if not, you pay 2%.. the swing is too big..

                      you know what, players are going to be playing now cat and mouse and each will be waiting for the other guy to accept it.. no one will bet it now.. matchy has to change this rule.. it's a 2.2% swing now in accepting or taking an offer.. no one will budge anymore..

                      matchy, pls change this system and lower the %.. we dont like it..
                      Not sure what you mean by "you pay 2%." You don't, you pay 1% win or lose. It's a 1.2% swing, not 2.2%. I think you're a bit confused.
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                      • Fishhead
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 08-11-05
                        • 40179

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Igetp2s
                        I commented on this problem when they switched commission models, but didn't get much discussion about it. The prior structure of 2% of win gave no incentive to posting offers, so posting anything was a huge risk. With this current model, they went too far in the other direction, and made accepting offers much worse than posting offers, so nobody wants to accept if they can post an offer instead for 1 cent better.

                        They need to narrow the spread between posting and accepting offers (currently 1.2%) for football, while still giving some benefit to posting offers to compensate for the added risk.

                        They'd be better off and get more volume with 0% commission for posting offers, and .8% for accepting, compared to what they have now, instead of -.2% and 1%.

                        EXCELLENT POST

                        I THINK YOU WILL EVENTUALLY SEE THIS BECOME A REALITY.


                        fh
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                        • MonkeyF0cker
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 06-12-07
                          • 12144

                          #13
                          I doubt it. The liquidity will be huge now. The average bettor is not gonna stick a $50 or $100 offer into a line that has $175k in front of it on an NFL Sunday and hope it eventually gets matched. They're just gonna accept an offer.
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