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Not sure we were duped. I think the initial intentions were sincere. The issue being, additional data has been pouring in and now instead of wanting to uniformly adapt and adjust, it's being politicized.2017-18 flu season had 45 million illnesses and 80,000 deaths in the US
does this chart look familiar to 2019-2020 flu/coronavirus season? we've all been duped
https://gilad.online/writings/2020/4...om-of-covid-19
No guarantee of a vaccine. Mention the economy and people jump to "You want to kill grandmas and grandpa across America." No rational discussions being had.Comment -
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That's a fair question.Originally Posted by milwaukee mike
and then what do we do next year when there's another virus? and 2022/2023/etc?
I don't have all the answers, though I do a lot of reading.
But *IF* that becomes the case -- with a whole new virus, not merely another wave of this one -- then IF IT IS PROVEN TO BE AS DEADLY AS THIS ONE IS it seems logical we (and all around the world) would be revisiting this same situation again....albeit, hopefully with a smarter Federal government in place that will not only be fully prepared but also willing to recommend strong/immediate action by all states much earlier than occured this time. I am hopeful we learn from our mistakes, myself included. That alone would significantly reduce the deaths, the hospital problems and the time the economy would be put on hold (temporarily)...let alone a LOT of grief and stress.
Still, getting a new and VERY DEADLY virus every year is not only a worst case scenario but highly implausible. So before we get ahead of ourselves with doom & gloom about what disease scenarios might come annually,
lets review our North American history of pandemics for clues:
Prior to this year, the last MAJOR health concern was the 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu pandemic.
Estmated 60 MILLION in USA were infected, many got sick, but not hospitalized.
Despite the astonishing widespread infection, only 12,469 died -- which is about
33% of the seasonal influenza deaths. It wasn't deemed particularly deadly.
As a result, mitigation measures to suppress the spread were not implimented.
Ebola in 2014, while very dangerous, only infected 11 Americans.
It was easily contained here. No need to panic.
In 2003 the SARS-CoV-1 only infected 8 people in USA.
It was easily contained here. No need to panic.
And not to be forgotten is HIV/Aids, beginning during the 80's and up to today
which claimed 600,000 Americans over the past 40 years.
However this too did not require tough mitigation measures because that virus
is not communicable in the usual sense. Those people NOT engaging in certain risky
behaviors including sharing needles with an infected person had very little to worry about.
1968 Hong Kong flu killed about 34,000 Americans that year (into 1969)
but returned in 3 other waves killing about 100,000 spread over 3.5 years
Actually considered a mild pandemic. No mitigation measures required.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
Ya, we got through those but none of those were deemed dangerous enoughwe already had sars, h1n1, ebola, etc etc just recently... guess what we got through it, and nobody in the usa got a vaccine for ebola
to require tough state-wide and nation-wide measures to suppress the virus activity.
This one is!!! 40,000 deaths in just the first 3 weeks of April!
And in our lifetime, to date, this is the only one.
Once a vaccine is produced (antibodies to the rescue)
and many people build antibodies of their own via being infected and surviving (we hope!) then we can hope that future waves of this same virus will be far less widespread and unlikely to require mitigation measures. In effect, once we have a vaccine it seems logical COVID-19 can be treated like the seasonal influenza.
And for all we know there may not be another (different) serious viral pandemic again
for another 30 or 50 years....by then we'll all be underwater from global warming anyway.
Remember, the last time mitigation measures were needed was the 1918 Spanish flu.
100 years ago!
Unfortunate, but true.viruses come and go, it's no big deal, old sick people die (shocker!),
I just don't like to see old or sick people DIE 10 or 15 years prematurely.
Mind you, this particular virus appears to be particularly aggressive to the upper respiratory system, which means ASTHMA sufferers *OF ALL AGES* - even athletes - become vulnerable.
While the seasonal influenza is a concern to asthmatics, it's not as deadly as this strain.
Hence the obvious concern, since 25 MILLION Americans are asthmatic...
Also at increased risk among what we may consider otherwise healthy people are "diabetics"
There are a lot of healthy active, athletic people who are diabetic!
And there are estimated 30 MILLION diabetics in America. Sure some are older and some
are also suffering from morbid obesity, but certainly not all. A 20 year old coed cheerleader
who needs to take insulin everyday is at much higher risk than you or me from COVID-19.
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I will say, that while I disagree that certain networks are deliberately stoking fear for some hidden agenda, (as a centrist I am trying to be objective) I DO think there is simply waaaay too much wall-to-wall coverage of this. And I'm getting "sick" of it....Last edited by mezmurized2; 04-22-20, 12:28 PM.Comment -
What interests me is that these studies were done at Stanford and USC, the two major PRIVATE Universities in California. They can basically do what they want and tell the Governor and the other Liberal Lawmakers to shove it. If USC decides to play football, they can host their games in Las Vegas. Only games against UCLA and Cal would be affected. Is Newsome intentionally shutting up all of the other State University Hospitals and Medical Schools just to get his way?Comment -
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger in life.. Corona especially.. Get it and beat it, the second go around you will beat it much easier or you may even become immune to getting Corona then after..
If I get it then I say Bring it!!!! Can't live in fear and or in isolation for months or years like we are doing now as a society.. Shitty way to live, can't make money doing that either...Comment -
I don't wanna get it, I keep my distance for now and wear a mask as everyone should, but the economy and livelihoods should not be shut down and taken away completely like they are now.. We the people have learned social distancing, wearing masks, etc.. Time to re-open and bring back jobs NOW in all States!!!!
Keep spacing but open all stores now..Comment -
not any more!
here's another interesting "study" done by unc-chapel hill back in 2015
"Generating infectious clones of bat SARS-like CoVs"
"SARS-like CoVs were ...obtained from United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases"
what a coincidence that the us army just so happened to be cloning coronaviruses!
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
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I think we are thinking more in sync then at first glance. My whole take is to get start doing things May 1st slowly and basically roll it out through summer. The absolute worst part about all of this is the fear mongering media. This narrative has crushed us and will continue to unless we speak up about the need to not be afraid and start getting back to normalcy. We talk back and forth while the media irresponsibly creates one sided headlines that can only be read. The internet going down for 2 months probably would have been the best "cure" to the virus.Comment -
Enough with ten media pinata. It's about the science and data. The Trump Administration actually put out a pretty decent plan. Real question is whether states will actually follow it and whether Trump will encourage them to follow it. He said the right thing today vis a vis Georgia, but we'll see how long that lasts. Get all the testing online and let the data decide.Comment -
We all die eventually as we get old, WE ALL KNOW THIS.. Clock is ticking..
Find GOD and it eases that fear of death. Spirit will leave your body when you die.. I'D BET ON THAT!!! What's next for you IDK????
Live a good life fellas and help others is your best bet.
Don't live a double life as GOD IS WATCHING!!
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Wow!!
That's almost akin to saying anyone is FREE to take their guns and walk around the streets shooting wantonly as they please -- and those who don't want to risk getting shot should stay home.
In a free society, we have the right to do with our own bodies as we wish...
...but we do NOT have the right to engage in behaviors that put other people's health/life at risk.
Driving down the wrong side of a highway at high speed comes to mind.
THAT caveat is absolutely paramount and necessarily must superseed anyone's alleged "rights" to do whatever one chooses.
It has been proven that with COVID-19 many may contract the virus but never know it (Asymptomatic)
During that time they are infectious and thus a risk to other's directly OR more likely by leaving contaminants on public surfaces which can survive for days - potentially infecting hundreds - who may not be as lucky as you!
If tested - and that right now is a HUGE *IF* - and the result is you HAVE the virus, will you self-quarantine for 14 days?? Most would do the responsible thing, yes. Most. But not all, unfortunately, and therin lies two problems: testing, and a means to force all those who have it to be quarantined.
25 MILLION Americans of all ages have ASTHMA and are at elevated risk to COVID-19
30 MILLION Americans of all ages have Diabetes and are at elevated risk to COVID-19
103 MILLION Americans adults have high BP and are at elevated risk to COVID-19
53 MILLION Americans are seniors aged 65+ and are at elevated risk to COVID-19
?? MILLION Americans under 65 have other preconditions and are at elevated risk to COVID-19
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Exactly. I get the feeling some on this site want to stay in their homes, on unemployment for the next 18 months while a vaccine is worked on (which again only helps 0.2% of people that have it, since 99.8% would recover on their own anyway).
Yeah, it sucks old sick people die. But they will die eventually of something, whether it’s Covid or the regular flu, or cancer. Shutting down the world to protect this population is asinine.Comment -
--------I think we should at least Follow President Trump's Criteria in the Guidelines for reopening...
CASES
Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day periodORDownward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period (flat or increasing volume of tests)Here's where we stand on just that criteria as of now
StateDays of Decreasing Cases
NY6
VT3
ND3
MO3
WV2
TN2
OH2
NC2
MS2
MN2
IN2
HI2
DE2
WI1
UT1
NE1
MD1
LA1
KY1
KS1
CT1
WY0
WA0
VA0
TX0
SD0
SC0
RI0
PA0
OR0
OK0
NV0
NM0
NJ0
NH0
MT0
MI0
ME0
MA0
IL0
ID0
IA0
GA0
FL0
DC0
CO0
CA0
AZ0
AR0
AL0
AK0
Last Updated: 04/21/20 21:00:24 CT
I agree. We should follow Trump's Criteria in the Guidelines for reopening...
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/
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The "actual statistics" from covid are not remotely close to accurate, this thing is much more contagious and much more deadly than any of these other things you mentioned. There are massive numbers of infected people right now, these numbers aren't being reported because people can't even get tested, the number of tests available is woefully inadequate and Trump is trying to understate the numbers because he is trying to paint the best possible picture for his re-election efforts. We NEED to be doing 700,000 to 800,000 tests a day, that is the only way we are going to get this thing under control. Reopening things too early (like in the next week or two) is irresponsible and will cause another big spike in cases.Comment
