how to get good at poker?

[Golden fleece]

Guys, looking for some input/advice on how to get really good at poker. im talking really good like as in going to drop 10k on wsop main event good.... not beating the crap out of your buddies in garage good. i can already do that....

any books or YouTube videos to recommend me?

thanks

[johnnyvegas13]

Unlike sports betting there r good poker books

I feel like high stakes poker is played out tho

Not like it was 10 yrs ago

[Golden fleece]

what do you mean played out?

like everyone knows the same math now?

[johnnyvegas13]

what do you mean played out?

like everyone knows the same math now?

Ya

Anyone who still plays is good imo

Not like 10+ yrs ago half the players were terrible

[Golden fleece]

Ya

Anyone who still plays is good imo

Not like 10+ yrs ago half the players were terrible

yeah ive noticed from watching that everyone is kind of predictable with the hand they get in their position.....

i always liked watching tom dwan in cash games back in the day.....

he seemed to always get guys twisted... he'd have guys thinkin he had the nuts when he had garbage and vise versa..... he had a really good yin and yang thing goin for him

[johnnyvegas13]

yeah ive noticed from watching that everyone is kind of predictable with the hand they get in their position.....

i always liked watching tom dwan in cash games back in the day.....

he seemed to always get guys twisted... he'd have guys thinkin he had the nuts when he had garbage and vise versa..... he had a really good yin and yang thing goin for him

Durrrr my fav player as well

But even his style got played out

He mainly plays overseas no

[Golden fleece]

Durrrr my fav player as well

But even his style got played out

He mainly plays overseas no

wow so literally just a crap shoot amongst good ones now huh....

i haven't paid that much attention lately but some guys have made themselves a good name from it

[hawkeye 16]

Maybe you have already read them, but you still can't beat Brunson and Sklansky (Sklansky especially for math/limit poker). One of my favorite books is a book by Bill Burton. I can't remember the name, but the book was green.

I'm sure their is a lot of more advanced stuff out there now.

Once everybody does ABC poker though, you might as well just pass the rake around the table. You have to mix it up and read players.

Know the math and play by your gut. Also, tourney play is different than cash play. The value of chips changes based on the blinds, chip stacks, etc.

Finally, throw out any book written (probably ghost written) by Hellmuth. I read one chapter once and threw it in the garbage.

[cincinnatikid513]

play alot of hands

[RudyRuetigger]

quit now

not worth your time

[Golden fleece]

quit now

not worth your time

gun to head

sports better option?

[pilebuck13]

I quickly realized I have no patience for this game anymore maybe with friends family for fun but making money to slow for me

[RudyRuetigger]

gun to head

sports better option?

sports

fantasy

poker

in that order, not even close

unless you just want to grind $30 a month

then poker, sports, fantasy

but noone grinds for $30/month

[hawkeye 16]

Guys, looking for some input/advice on how to get really good at poker. im talking really good like as in going to drop 10k on wsop main event good.... not beating the crap out of your buddies in garage good. i can already do that....

any books or YouTube videos to recommend me?

thanks

quit now

not worth your time

I would listen to Rudy. It's a a hard way to make money. Especially with the increased rake that is charged (casinos, NA now).

I don't really trust online poker.

There are easier ways to make money. Keep it as a hobby.

[stevenash]

Guys, looking for some input/advice on how to get really good at poker. im talking really good like as in going to drop 10k on wsop main event good.... not beating the crap out of your buddies in garage good. i can already do that....

any books or YouTube videos to recommend me?

thanks

Read, read, read.
It's just as important as live play, maybe more important.
Read about pot odds, implied odds, read about the math involved.
Read about the things you won't learn playing live that you will learn in books.
There's tons of great poker references out there.

Read!

[pilebuck13]

Yes for fun. Any stakes that would excite me I would be in way over my head. I have data on sports opponents online I have zero data on who I’m up against live I can gather some info after a hour or so......online tough

[Golden fleece]

yeah i guess you guys are making sense

kinda thought the same thing a few years ago too.....

but some people seem to do really well in it as apposed to sports.... no one seems to be the "doyle brunson" of sports out there

[RudyRuetigger]

Read, read, read.
It's just as important as live play, maybe more important.
Read about pot odds, implied odds, read about the math involved.
Read about the things you won't learn playing live that you will learn in books.
There's tons of great poker references out there.

Read!

when have you ever talked about poker

now you are a savant because you told the guy to read about math?

sorry chief, everyone knows that now

even at the 10 cent tables


table selection and basic knowledge, COMBINED is the best thing

[jjgold]

Rudy a wise
Man

quit now

not worth your time

[RudyRuetigger]

when have you ever talked about poker

now you are a savant because you told the guy to read about math?

sorry chief, everyone knows that now

even at the 10 cent tables


table selection and basic knowledge, COMBINED is the best thing

i mean 2nd best thing

besides not playing


you go ahead and deposit...... check back in 12 months though

[RudyRuetigger]

Rudy a wise
Man

actually i changed my gender

"prefer not to say"

thats now a gender and i fukkin love it

[gauchojake]

JJ WAS A POKER PRO YOU SHOULD ASK HIM

[cincinnatikid513]

watch carseller play

do the opposite

[stevenash]

yeah ive noticed from watching that everyone is kind of predictable with the hand they get in their position.....

i always liked watching tom dwan in cash games back in the day.....

he seemed to always get guys twisted... he'd have guys thinkin he had the nuts when he had garbage and vise versa..... he had a really good yin and yang thing goin for him

You want twisted, my guy is the "Unibomber" Phil Laak.
Laak will play anything.
Like in this video he plays K7 off suit.
Watch what happens here, watch how Laak floats after the turn card.
Must see video!

[stevenash]

when have you ever talked about poker

now you are a savant because you told the guy to read about math?

sorry chief, everyone knows that now

even at the 10 cent tables


table selection and basic knowledge, COMBINED is the best thing

I'm not a poker savant by no means, (I'm a baseball savant, just ask me, I'll tell you lol) what I am is a very good recreational player.
And I got better when I started reading up on poker.

[gauchojake]

Has anyone written a nlhe tournament book better than Harrington’s?

[stevenash]

Has anyone written a nlhe tournament book better than Harrington’s?

I don't think so.
I have two excellent books on Omaha and Omaha hi/low.
I laugh at these people who play O8 and have A 2 10 K for instance and they think the A 2 is the nuts preflop.
I learned the true odds of making the low with that A 2 preflop.


Key Omaha Hi-Lo Probability Concept #3: While making a low on a 2 low-card flop can have a high probability, it is important to understand that this is only to make ‘a low’, this is not necessarily the ‘nut low’.
Probability of Making A Low By The River With 1 Low-Card Flop:
2 Low Card Hand (A-2-J-Q), probability of making a low = 16%
3 Low Card Hand (A-2-6-9), probability of making a low = 26%
4 Low Card Hand (3-4-6-7) probability of making a low = 24%
Probability Of Making A Low By The River With 2 Low-Card Flop:
2 Low Card Hand (A-2-J-Q), probability of making a low = 59%
3 Low Card Hand (A-2-6-9), probability of making a low = 72%
4 Low Card Hand (3-4-6-7) probability of making a low = 70%*

[hawkeye 16]

One thing I'd add is that low buy-in tourneys are not only a waste of time, but unbeatable. The buy in might be $50, but only like $30 goes into the prize pool. Plus dealer add-ons, etc. Even Brunson couldn't beat that game long term. They used to be more transparent about it, but now they are sneaky about the vig. They used to say $50 + $5, Now it is just $50 buy in. I even asked the poker room manager how much goes into the prize pool and was told "I don't know."

[Golden fleece]

One thing I'd add is that low buy-in tourneys are not only a waste of time, but unbeatable. The buy in might be $50, but only like $30 goes into the prize pool. Plus dealer add-ons, etc. Even Brunson couldn't beat that game long term. They used to be more transparent about it, but now they are sneaky about the vig. I even asked the poker room manager how much goes into the prize pool and was told "I don't know."

"i dont know"

no shit.....

[Golden fleece]

Has anyone written a nlhe tournament book better than Harrington’s?

I'll have to check it out

thanks!

[stevenash]

One thing I'd add is that low buy-in tourneys are not only a waste of time, but unbeatable. The buy in might be $50, but only like $30 goes into the prize pool. Plus dealer add-ons, etc. Even Brunson couldn't beat that game long term. They used to be more transparent about it, but now they are sneaky about the vig. They used to say $50 + $5, Now it is just $50 buy in. I even asked the poker room manager how much goes into the prize pool and was told "I don't know."

Guaranteed prize pools tournaments are the best option.

[JIBBBY]

Fold over and over again until you get a good starting hand then bet big with that hand and ride it to the big jackpot cash in win... Bluffing is for losers.. Be patient..

[stevenash]

Fold over and over again until you get a good starting hand then bet big

Passive/Agressive
I like that style, once you get pegged as a passive/aggressive player loosen up a lot.

[JoeCool20]

It is just a "Maybe you win a few times before you lose" type of thing to me. But what it really is to me is "Wait until you lose." Probably by some bad beat. Then that's about it. How many people do you know that are actually "up" money on poker, or ANY type of gambling? None? One? I had a friend who thought he was "good" at poker. So he quit his job and did the "rounders" thing for about a month, maybe two. Then one night he had a full house, and some other guy donked in 4 of a kind on the river. All of a sudden he didn't win, and he couldn't pay his bills or anything else. The guy lost his mind, his family, his car, and his house, and everything else. But hey what the hell, go for it! Try to get "real good" at poker, and try to beat a game of chance until you get tired of losing. Just don't quit your job or anything like that! LOL

[zam77]

Fleecer I may be mistaken but doesn’t take long to know a good player and I remember sitting here with you at a couple tables and knowing you were good. Just run with that confidence every time you sit and play the odds. 10k could easily turn into 20 or more