Why do people hate the Yankees?????

Casperwaits · 08-11-09, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by CashMoney

So the consensus is that people hate the Yankees because they play within the system and spend the most money????

Originally posted by themajormt

You people are retarded... You say IF the Card's had that payroll, IF the Reds had that payroll. The Yankees HAVE that payroll because they have such a huge fan base and their fans actually PAY to see them. You cant blame the Yankees for the city that they are in that allows them to charge what they charge for games. The Yankees actually invest in their team and arent afraid to take risks. If the Card's had a bigger fan base they would spend the money to KEEP those fans too! Yankees dont have a choice but to spend money, if they dont the fans wont pay $250 to sit in the nose bleeds...

Originally posted by themajormt

Caspy the Red Sox TRIED to spend the money the Yanks did but got shut out!!! Their payroll would be a shit load higher if they got the guys they wanted to get instead of taking low risk gambles like they were FORCED to...

Originally posted by themajormt

I have been to 3 games this year and I live 7 hours away... Reagrdless the team is still profitable WITH empty seats that is the point I was trying to make. Reds arent profitable with empty seats now are they?? The league NEEDS the Yankees... Whenever they come into town teams sell more tickets than they have to any other games!!! Look at what NY does for Toronto...

The tax revenue the Yankees GENERATE for the city far outweighs the cost over the long term...

I wasnt being LITERAL when I said $250 jesus...

The team is profitable not by their stadium but by their huge television contract with YES. The tax revenue over the long term MOST DEFINATELY NOT outweigh the costs over the long term. As someone that grew up right there and understands the taxes associated with the Yankees-New York situation, in the long term, you have to expect a MAJOR spike in tourism just to break even. Granted the lawmakers will justify the spending as part of being a New Yorker, and that is fine, but to say that MLB NEEDS the Yankees is absurd. FYI, Cincinnatti is not a losing $$ orginization. They just do not generate the revenue of a major city team. It comes down to what the city can afford.

themajormt · 08-11-09, 10:48 AM

They can spend just to spend because they have the money!!! Youre trying to tell me if the Red Sox had the revenue that the Yankees do they wouldnt spend it???? John Smoltz hello?????

Casperwaits · 08-11-09, 10:49 AM

John Smoltz..one season. 5.1 million WITH incentives (which he did not hit). Major, please quit on the argument about spending. Honestly.

themajormt · 08-11-09, 10:49 AM

Are you really trying to say that if the Yankees just dissolved right now the MLB wouldnt suffer??????

themajormt · 08-11-09, 10:50 AM

Right, they took a RISK... Just like the Yankees have done, you were saying the Red Sox dont spend just to spend. Well Smoltz was definitelty a case of that, that is all I was saying...

Casperwaits · 08-11-09, 10:58 AM

Obviously ANY MLB team from a major city dissolving would cause a loss in revenue. To make it seem that the Yankees are what keeps MLB afloat is a bold statement. Risks are part of the game. The Yankees spent more on one free agent than what the Red Sox spent on their free agents combined. Major, their is no debate that the Yankees have overspent the last 8 years. It is also no debate that when they were good, it was complementary players and farm system that made them so. As a Yankee fan, I do not know if you are old enough to remember the Yanks in the Mattingly years when they overspent much like they are now on aging players and me-first players, but I was and let me tell you, if the Yankees want to get back to the dynasty they created in the 90's, they need to build their young players and focus on the complementary players again.

SBR_John · 08-11-09, 11:13 AM

Baseball would be a much better sport if the playing field was a little more level....not perfectly level but MORE level.

Imagine if every year in the NFL we knew or could expect the NY Giants make the Superbowl. They would just suck guys like Peyton Manning up and all the other NFL teams would be their personal farm system. Thats what baseball basically is now and its the worse for it imo.

themajormt · 08-11-09, 11:18 AM

I agree that the current MLB system is flawed and its bubble will burst eventually, but the only point I am trying to make is that you cannot BLAME the Yankees for doing what is within their rights as an organization to do.

I do remember those years Casp and I agree and am the first one to say that I love Melky and Cano more than A Rod because I have watched them mature, but at the same time if the Yankees dont go and get CC or AJ their competitors would have... That is just bad business...

jjgold · 08-11-09, 11:26 AM

Yanks buy wins

they would be in last place without Burnett and Sabathia

rickdee · 08-11-09, 12:28 PM

Because you have players like Arod who bang nasty hoes like Madonna which makes you clowns easy pickins....All you have to do is say jeter sucks and you have a riot on your hands!

MJFtheGenius · 08-11-09, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Casperwaits

1. Yankee fans DO NOT pay to see them...lol. MANY seats are empty this year. How many games have YOU been to this year?
2. Tax payers BUILT their stadium..many of them not Yankee fans.
3. As far as being retarded, you may want to think twice about paying $250 for your Yankee nose bleeds

I have been to 3 games this year but I live near Philly it's pain in the ass to get there....

the yankees average more fans per game then anyone http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

However I believe they have only sold out the house 3 times...mainly because the expensive seats around home plate are not affordable.

but still avg the most fans per game...so get your facts straight

BarkingToad · 08-11-09, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by themajormt

You people are retarded... You say IF the Card's had that payroll,

Let me get this straight, you travel 7 hours 3x for regular season games to Yankee stadium, paying for travel, expensive tickets, food and lodging, and I'm the one retarded. Even a career loser like Joe Torre could win 4 world titles when you throw enough money at the problem. I really hope Cards and Yanks play in World Series, I'll take my chance with a rotation of Carpenter, wainwright, and Pineiro vs Burnett, Sabathia, and Pettite. Maybe A-Roid can find the drugs where he can perform well in late innings to help.

You must really love traveling to the Bwwonx, not exactly on my wish list. Maybe the next billion Yankees spend they can get a world title. Nice job making fun of retarded people by the way.

themajormt · 08-11-09, 03:19 PM

I am sorry you took offense, if you ride the short bus it isnt my fault pal. Blame your parents for not using birth control....

fiveteamer · 08-11-09, 03:31 PM

Not Yankees, Yankee fans.

ryanspeer2001 · 08-11-09, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by The General

Me either unless it is success.

I believe The General hit it on the head here. The vast majority of people despise other peoples success, as it makes them feel less worthy. For fans of the 29 MLB teams who historically do not win as often (and for some far less often) it can be easy to boo the Yank's because of their amazing success over a long period of time.

DrStale · 08-11-09, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by themajormt

I agree that the current MLB system is flawed and its bubble will burst eventually, but the only point I am trying to make is that you cannot BLAME the Yankees for doing what is within their rights as an organization to do.

I do remember those years Casp and I agree and am the first one to say that I love Melky and Cano more than A Rod because I have watched them mature, but at the same time if the Yankees dont go and get CC or AJ their competitors would have... That is just bad business...

Yeah you can't blame them you have to blame the system.

However you can hate them because hate is just strong desire and it doesn't have to be rational. Just as being a devoted fan to a team that happens to be the closest to your house really isn't rational it is probly less rational to hate the team that is the next closest, yet this is the case for many sports fans.

Does make the game fun though.

CashMoney · 08-11-09, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Casperwaits

I think there is a certain resentment amongst Americans that the Yankees are considered an elitist team that spends the $$, but doesn't "earn" the accolades. Considering that this country was built on blood, sweat, and tears the Yankees are essentially the antithesis of that. The best Yankees teams WERE built on the American mantra, but lately, they have diverted from this approach and have fielded subpar teams (for the $$ spent). If the Yankees win this season, the hatred for them will increase. It's not like their of season was spent "working" with their farm system or scouting. It was all about spending. With Obama throwing $$ around and the Town Hall debates causing violence, the Yankees approach to baseball has become symbolic in USA circa 2009. Hell, Boston spends quite a bit of $$ as well, but they have an EXCELLENT farm system and their off season signings were not nearly as expensive and explosive as the Yankees. That gives them A LITTLE leeway in regards too the public perception. Mid level teams will always get love in the Midwest, and that is fine. When all is said and done, people hate the Yankees and Yankee fans couldn't be any happier.

The Yankees signed 3 free agents during the off season. It just so hapened that they were the three biggest free agents of the off season. What many fail to realize is that the current Yankees roster is comprised of many players that were aquired through the draft or great scouting. There is a grand total of 8 players on the active 25 man roster that were aquired through free agency. Of those 8 players 2 of the players had never played in MLB.

Yes, we all know that the Yankees spend the most money. However, it's because they also generate the most revenue. So the Yanks are hated on because the spend the most money due to the fact that they make the most money?

Casperwaits · 08-11-09, 09:36 PM

MJF, my facts are straight. very much so. I never said the Yankees didn't fill seats, they have quite a few EMPTY ones. Secondly cash Money, through "great scouting" they acquired many of their players? I will try to make my point AGAIN. The Yankees spend a lot of $$ with the end result being NO RINGS. When the Yankees were WINNING, they were doing it for a lot less and with MORE HOMEGROWN TALENT and BETTER FREE AGENT SIGINGS FOR THE DOLLAR!! There is absolutely no question on that. The Yankees "just so happen" to sign the 3 biggest free agent contracts this summer is not by accident. If they felt the need to overpay for Sabathia & Burnett, than more power to them. if you believe that they got fair market value for those two pitchers, God bless you. My stance stays true and factual. My opinion is an opinion based on fact and not emotion.

CashMoney · 08-12-09, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Casperwaits

MJF, my facts are straight. very much so. I never said the Yankees didn't fill seats, they have quite a few EMPTY ones. Secondly cash Money, through "great scouting" they acquired many of their players? I will try to make my point AGAIN. The Yankees spend a lot of $$ with the end result being NO RINGS. When the Yankees were WINNING, they were doing it for a lot less and with MORE HOMEGROWN TALENT and BETTER FREE AGENT SIGINGS FOR THE DOLLAR!! There is absolutely no question on that. The Yankees "just so happen" to sign the 3 biggest free agent contracts this summer is not by accident. If they felt the need to overpay for Sabathia & Burnett, than more power to them. if you believe that they got fair market value for those two pitchers, God bless you. My stance stays true and factual. My opinion is an opinion based on fact and not emotion.

Scouting
Jeter
Posada
Rivera
Melky
Gardner
Hughes
Chamberlin
Robertson
Melancon
Pettitte (Free Agent Signing as well)
Cano
Pena
Coke
Aceves

I can name a ton more but you can see where I'm going with this. The Yanks did get away from "home grown talent" for a while but when Cash renewed he made it a priority to get younger. The Yankees team of today is much like the Dyansty Yankees. They are using homegrown talent and adding free agent to build a winner.

I 100% agree that they overpaid for both Sabathia and Burnett but the team isn't comprised totally of overpaid free agents. Yes, the patroll is high but a lot of it has to do with overpaying their own players. Rivera, Posada, Jeter, etc.....

So we have a team that's comprised of seven free agents, 12 (13 including Pettitte who I included on the free agents) players from the farm system, with the other 6 players aquired via trade, yet the only reason they win is because the just spend? This would have been true even 3 years ago but not today in 2009. This is not based on emotion but fact.

themajormt · 08-12-09, 09:38 AM

I concur Cash... Caspy is just upset that he grew up in the NY area and for some reason decided to like the scum bag Red Sox...

lakerboy · 08-12-09, 09:55 AM

Hey caspy didn't I tell you my yanks would sweep your boys last weekend. No offence bro but ur sox won 2 world series titles and you act like they are baseballs greatest franchise. Sure they won those but that's cause they copied the yanks model and how much did u guys pay for daisuke. Like I have said the sox were finished when manny left he was the glue of that team and he knew it was time to get going. Better luck next decade cause the yanks will do this year what they did at the beginning of the decade and close up the year with another title.

MJFtheGenius · 08-12-09, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Casperwaits

MJF, my facts are straight. very much so. I never said the Yankees didn't fill seats, they have quite a few EMPTY ones. Secondly cash Money, through "great scouting" they acquired many of their players? I will try to make my point AGAIN. The Yankees spend a lot of $$ with the end result being NO RINGS. When the Yankees were WINNING, they were doing it for a lot less and with MORE HOMEGROWN TALENT and BETTER FREE AGENT SIGINGS FOR THE DOLLAR!! There is absolutely no question on that. The Yankees "just so happen" to sign the 3 biggest free agent contracts this summer is not by accident. If they felt the need to overpay for Sabathia & Burnett, than more power to them. if you believe that they got fair market value for those two pitchers, God bless you. My stance stays true and factual. My opinion is an opinion based on fact and not emotion.

Yea I agree those 96-2000 teams they did not buy them, most of it was homegrown with some key free agent signings.

The Yankees use to stockpile their farm system but with the new luxiury tax rules they no longer can do that.

They overpaid on some bad players over the past several years no question about it, but this year if Tex, CC, AJ result in a ring then that is what I want. I just want the results. what ever it takes I do not care I want the Yanks back in the series.