Question for JJ and BUDDYBEAR

[MBENZ]

I am trying to plan for the future so which is going to happen first,we are all going to jail for gambling,or all the books are going out of business.Just trying to prepare for the end.Don't know whether to pull my money out for bail or make one more bet so I will have more bail money.Very confused on this.

[compaqDikk]

I will answer on behalf of JJ

when NCCAF kicks off in late august, there will not be a single book taking action

find a new hobby mercedez and do something productive with your life

[Jay Edgar]

Nice try MBenz, but I think you'll find that this part of the forum is an irony-free zone.

Sorry.

[jjgold]

Books will close up to Americans, we are ok as bettors but no place to play unless you find a way to get money to UK books.

[MBENZ]

Sorry guys,just trying to put a little humor in all the doomsday post.Did'nt mean to step on any toes.

[Jay Edgar]

I thought it was funny and that the first response you got was from the clueless.

That's why I posted what I did.

I have JJ Gold on ignore, but he probably wrote something smart. lucid, and witty --

[SBR_John]

I am trying to plan for the future so which is going to happen first,we are all going to jail for gambling,or all the books are going out of business.Just trying to prepare for the end.Don't know whether to pull my money out for bail or make one more bet so I will have more bail money.Very confused on this.

funny stuff!! ...and thats if the sky doesn't hit you first!

[MBENZ]

funny stuff!! ...and thats if the sky doesn't hit you first!

Thanks John,glad to see somebody else picked up on the"chicken little syndrome".

[BuddyBear]

I am trying to plan for the future so which is going to happen first,we are all going to jail for gambling,or all the books are going out of business.Just trying to prepare for the end.Don't know whether to pull my money out for bail or make one more bet so I will have more bail money.Very confused on this.

Thanks Mbenz...I'll assume the role of the SBR staff since they weren't able to see this coming whereas I was even though I don't consider myself an industry expert although I still have a few contacts who are deep in the inside of what is going on.

As of now, the number of books who are willing to accept American players is dwindling fast. Although lucrative as it may be for the books to have a strong and sustainable American clientale, the risks outweigh the rewards for many of these books. As a result, many books will slowly withdraw from the American market when the risks become greater than the reward. For Pinnacle, it was an easy call on my part, since they have an ever increasing iternational clientale they could afford to drop their American customers and focus on their non-American players. So the theme is easy to discern. Books that make an effort to capture the international market are most likely to close shop (i.e. Pinnacle, Bet365, Bowman's, Canbet, etc...). Books that are dependent on American players as their primary source of revenue (i.e. can't relistically function without them) will be the least likely to close shop. So right now, as books make a more concerted effort to attract players from across the globe specifically in Western Europe and in Australia we'll see more and more books drop out of the U.S. market because the risks no longer outweigh the rewards. All these books know the U.S. government in serious as I noted in my previous threads on this topic. Some books are still holding out and I can assure you those books are having some sleepless nights about what to do.

Right now the pattern is clear. The U.S. goverment is warning players subtly. First they attacked the payment processors (i.e. paypal, credit cards, Neteller). Now the Sportsbooks are next on the list. I think it will be a while before the player is targetted so spending time in jail is not realistic I think but the U.S. government is dying to make an example out of someone. Remember when they were getting people for downloading music on the Internet with Napstar and stuff. Well there were millions who were doing it yet only a handful got busted. They were paraded on the news and on commericials and in the media as examples of how far the U.S. governement will go. I have a feeling in the next few years we may see something similar to that. Trust me, if you have a family, if you've built up some money, if you have a reputable job or are seeking one...do you really want to have to put on an application that you were convicted of a crime? Do you want the public humiliation of going through a trial? Of paying exorbiant fines? You think and Bill and John are your friends on here who will go to bat for you...you think BigBoyDan is a good friend who you can count on for info....trust me bro, they'll bail out on you faster than tacomax says yes to the little boy in his avitar ...they've already put safeguards for themselves on here and so should you.

Right now, my recommendation is to be very very careful. This is not the U.S. government you learned about in 3rd grade with all that checks and balance bullshit. This is a government who is made up of religious fanatics who take orders from Pat Robertson, who advocate torture, start illegal wars, who wiretap without warrants, who are wisking people in the middle of the night and taking them to detention centers and not charging them, who are opening up your mail without a warrant, who are slowly taking away all your civil liberties till you have none, etc...In short, this is not the U.S. governement your parents grew up with.

Right now, there are about 8-10 books I recommend that you play with and do not deviate from this list:

BetJamica
Bet Cris/Diamond
Olympic
WSEX
5Dimes
Legendz
The Pig
Matchbook

Be very careful with VIP right now....rumor is they are next to jump ship.

Let me know if you need anything else....

[MBENZ]

Thanks Mbenz...I'll assume the role of the SBR staff since they weren't able to see this coming whereas I was even though I don't consider myself an industry expert although I still have a few contacts who are deep in the inside of what is going on.

As of now, the number of books who are willing to accept American players is dwindling fast. Although lucrative as it may be for the books to have a strong and sustainable American clientale, the risks outweigh the rewards for many of these books. As a result, many books will slowly withdraw from the American market when the risks become greater than the reward. For Pinnacle, it was an easy call on my part, since they have an ever increasing iternational clientale they could afford to drop their American customers and focus on their non-American players. So the theme is easy to discern. Books that make an effort to capture the international market are most likely to close shop (i.e. Pinnacle, Bet365, Bowman's, Canbet, etc...). Books that are dependent on American players as their primary source of revenue (i.e. can't relistically function without them) will be the least likely to close shop. So right now, as books make a more concerted effort to attract players from across the globe specifically in Western Europe and in Australia we'll see more and more books drop out of the U.S. market because the risks no longer outweigh the rewards. All these books know the U.S. government in serious as I noted in my previous threads on this topic. Some books are still holding out and I can assure you those books are having some sleepless nights about what to do.

Right now the pattern is clear. The U.S. goverment is warning players subtly. First they attacked the payment processors (i.e. paypal, credit cards, Neteller). Now the Sportsbooks are next on the list. I think it will be a while before the player is targetted so spending time in jail is not realistic I think but the U.S. government is dying to make an example out of someone. Remember when they were getting people for downloading music on the Internet with Napstar and stuff. Well there were millions who were doing it yet only a handful got busted. They were paraded on the news and on commericials and in the media as examples of how far the U.S. governement will go. I have a feeling in the next few years we may see something similar to that. Trust me, if you have a family, if you've built up some money, if you have a reputable job or are seeking one...do you really want to have to put on an application that you were convicted of a crime? Do you want the public humiliation of going through a trial? Of paying exorbiant fines? You think and Bill and John are your friends on here who will go to bat for you...you think BigBoyDan is a good friend who you can count on for info....trust me bro, they'll bail out on you faster than a ...they've already put safeguards for themselves on here and so should you.

Right now, my recommendation is to be very very careful. This is not the U.S. government you learned about in 3rd grade with all that checks and balance bullshit. This is a government who is made up of religious fanatics who take orders from Pat Robertson, who advocate torture, start illegal wars, who wiretap without warrants, who are wisking people in the middle of the night and taking them to detention centers and not charging them, who are opening up your mail without a warrant, who are slowly taking away all your civil liberties till you have none, etc...In short, this is not the U.S. governement your parents grew up with.

Right now, there are about 8-10 books I recommend that you play with and do not deviate from this list:

BetJamica
Bet Cris/Diamond
Olympic
WSEX
5Dimes
Legendz
The Pig
Matchbook

Be very careful with VIP right now....rumor is they are next to jump ship.

Let me know if you need anything else....

I can't quite get a read on you Buddy.I'm not sure if you are with us or using this as a platform for some radical independent party views.The comparisons you use don't make any sense.If the government want's to parade me down the street as an example of the evils of gambling,I guess maybe they really are running out of things to do.The only reason the government is pissed is because they are not in on the action.So why don't they get in the action and leave us the **** alone.I would much rather donate here than on the islands.Shit,now you have me writing books like you,but I am old and I won't fall into the "paranoia will destroy you"catagory.

[tacomax]

[bigboydan]

you think BigBoyDan is a good friend who you can count on for info....trust me bro, they'll bail out on you faster than a ...they've already put safeguards for themselves on here and so should you.

Double B, I have been warning people for the past 3 years now. So, don't even drag me into your theories please.

[MBENZ]

EXPLAIN THAT!!

[BuddyBear]

Double B, I have been warning people for the past 3 years now. So, don't even drag me into your theories please.

all I said BBD is that when push comes to shove, as nice and helpful as the SBR staff is, they won't be there in court for you or paying your legal bills.

[BuddyBear]

I can't quite get a read on you Buddy.I'm not sure if you are with us or using this as a platform for some radical independent party views.The comparisons you use don't make any sense.If the government want's to parade me down the street as an example of the evils of gambling,I guess maybe they really are running out of things to do.The only reason the government is pissed is because they are not in on the action.So why don't they get in the action and leave us the **** alone.I would much rather donate here than on the islands.Shit,now you have me writing books like you,but I am old and I won't fall into the "paranoia will destroy you"catagory.

The comparisons are there. I think the downloading music thing is very fair. Both are relatively new phenomenons, both are on the Internet, both are ambiguous legally, both attract millions of people. Sure they may result in different outcomes....but you don't think the government is dying to make an example of someone out here? You don't think the government would like to have a front page story on the New York Times with a picture of a man in handcuffs that says "Orlando man to be the first charged with violating online gaming act" You don't understand politics like I do. The government is framing this as a national security issue...a terrorism issue....even though this has nothing to do with either. Right now, lay low for a while MBENZ. You sound like you are a bit older. You may have some money saved up, may have a family, may own some things, probably have a nice job and you probably drive a nice car judging by your name. You really want to go on trial? You really want to see your name in the paper? You really want to go to work and ask for every Tuesday for the next 3 years off so you can report to your probation officer? You really want to pay a fine that will set you back a few months?

Look, there are people right now in this country who are sitting in the harhshest prisons in this country for smoking marijuana who are serving life sentances. Think about it for a moment...marijuana is effectivly a harmless drug compared to more serious substances like alcohol. The government would love to get their hands on someone and parade him through the media...and they won't hesitate to do so. Within the next few years they will go on the attack just like they are doing with payment processors and sportsbooks. This government is beyond absurd. All I am saying when you get in trouble...don't look for help from SBR...their assess are covered. You see all the legal steps they've taken to cover themselves...even doing things way beyond conventional. They know this shit is serious. Even though they know the end is near they are not going to let on b/c the books business is thier bu$ine$$. SBR could care less about you...for SBR you are a number. SBR is interested in signing people up...not about their legal situation.

Look, i know I am saying may not make much sense now but it will in a few months. You may think that nostradumus is posting here after a few months. What I encourage you to do is to look over the thread I started about Neteller (the one that says "the end is near"). Go thorugh it post by post and see what everyone said and then determine who was most accurate in their predictions. Should be pretty obvious given the recent developments. I am here to talk to you about the truth as painful as it may be to hear. And soon as we get our message out to the masses, victory will be all ours whether we can persuade people or we have to do it by force...we'll reclaim what rightfully belongs to us.

[MBENZ]

BB,this started out as a little joke,but now it is becoming hilarious.I don't think I'm putting alot of credence of SBR's attornys defending me on at most a misdemeaner charge(feel safe John&Dan).As a matter of fact,it is not illegal to place a bet in my state.You keep comparing a dope smoker to a gambler,my only question is....what are you smoking and if it was a few years ago ,I'd ask you for a toke!

[MBENZ]

BB,this started out as a little joke,but now it is becoming hilarious.I don't think I'm putting alot of credence of SBR's attornys defending me on at most a misdemeaner charge(feel safe John&Dan).As a matter of fact,it is not illegal to place a bet in my state.You keep comparing a dope smoker to a gambler,my only question is....what are you smoking and if it was a few years ago ,I'd ask you for a toke!

[SBR_John]

uh.... ok.

Thanks for taking the time to get that all out BB. Two posts and both are very good reads.

I don't disagree with a lot of it. Obviously BB makes an extreme jump from the two laws on the books, wire act 1961 and the Safe Port Act 2006 to arresting players. No law has even been proposed that would make betting illegal for the players. What does BB think they will be charged with? Littering? Maybe jaywalking?

I assume BB thinks a law to criminalize betting is in secret committee or Pat Robertson has sent out a secret edict. With the current congress I don’t think any new gaming laws will even be considered.

Bottomline is BB makes some good industry points but then digresses helplessly into a conspiracy theory of arresting players when no such law exists or is even in the formative stage.

[pags11]

buddy,

excellent posts...you called this shit before anyone...

tacomax shouldn't care anyway, because he probably doesn't even have any funded accounts anyway...

[SBR_John]

In this industry be it at the local level up to the offshores, the show will always go on.

[nosuzieno]

In this industry be it at the local level up to the offshores, the show will always go on.

Back exclusively to the locals for me, of course I was there before PC's existed...