PA now has seven sports books

[dante1]

Bonuses terrible Nj and pa

I am no longer a large player and I have received over 200 at Parx already. almost every other time I log in a see a bonus. and the good thing is they are a one time roll. I am beginning to think JJ you are a BS artist. I am not even sure you have accounts in all 8. I have no problem with these guys so far. when you are a small to medium player 110 is not bad.


however, I am thinkin about stepping up on a Penn State game, maybe tonight. So if you are thinking about playing PS you might want to reconsider. BTW, Fan Duel tonight is giving a bonus of I believe $3 for every point if you select the money line winner in that game, to be clear it is $3 for every point your team wins by. It is like a no lose contest if you play the other side somewhere else on the money line.

BetAmerica is giving a first free time bet of $1000, I believe right now it is only in NJ. and if you lose the roll is 3 times, not 20 like many of offshore

these PA places are infants give them time and the lines will become better--I guarantee it. 8 shops must compete for a limited amount of players. only makes sense.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

I've never paid anything close to 4% in fees when buying bitcoin or selling. Not even half of that. I can also usually buy at discount as I have lots of poker friends constantly swapping. Obviously bonuses have rollovers. But if you know what you are doing rollovers are meaningless.

I've placed live wagers in NY and NJ. You had to go to the counter to place $500 bets or more. When I was in NJ they didn't even have kiosks to bet at in Ballys.

Kiosks up and running at Ballys

[Biff41]

Like Penn St today if u can get decent spread vs Illini.

[im over here now]

Even Coinbase only charges 2,49% each way for full service, or way less on Coinbase Pro.

But you can only say it costs X% if you are actually buying bitcoin for every bet and selling it again after every win.

If you want to play like that, and pay 8% to avoid legal responsibilities, how can you point fingers at the system as the problem?

Not pointing fingers, just pointing out when one claims fees of 1% wanted to know where.. 5% from coinbase is still steep when one is touting -112 vs-108.. And disagree with your cost x.. if fee is 5% no matter is you buy a 1 dollar or 100 dollars your losing 5%... This site is a .com, which means registration is in USA, kind of ironic you calling me out, when SBR helps American players skirts banking and gambling laws ... Just saying..

[jjgold]

USA books have a purpose of course for many players but any serious player cannot play USA that is trying to win money

[Crusherrr]

USA books have a purpose of course for many players but any serious player cannot play USA that is trying to win money

Some just can't comprehend it. If I was a regular punter then I'd be fine betting into garbage lines. The promo stuff they also restrict you if you don't bet enough other things. PointsBet sends very nice emails telling you what percentage of promotional lines/offers they are willing to let you bet into.

[PittsburghPlayer]

ok dante1dude, you convinced me
leaving the shit-hole NYS and moving to PA

calling you and your friends when I need help moving my bedroom and living room furniture into my next joint

[jjgold]

They understand juice and it’s importance

Some just can't comprehend it. If I was a regular punter then I'd be fine betting into garbage lines. The promo stuff they also restrict you if you don't bet enough other things. PointsBet sends very nice emails telling you what percentage of promotional lines/offers they are willing to let you bet into.

[Believe_EMT]

Mt Airy (Fox Bet) is putting up some real nice lines. seeing 105 is refreshing for a PA book.

this stupid fukkin state is taxing the shate out them though, so i can understand why local books without national backing of a Draftkings or Fanduel have to deal crap lines in an effort to avoid going broke.

at the same time, i need uneducated folks to keep those books viable so i can pick off their occasionally off market numbers.

ultra competitive atmosphere and they are giving money away to lure in bettors. lack of reload bonuses sucks, but once you're up and running, you really shouldn't need them.

but if i can't find a single good source for mlb lines in PA i will be forced to go back to 5Dimes. jerks.

[jjgold]

No pa books dealing 10 cent baseball lines

Not enough volume

[mdkpicks]

I live in NJ outside of Philly and I'm by no means a large better so I'm not worried about leaving a money trail. The books are regulated so I don't have to worry about not getting paid. And paypal is blazing fast with no surcharges. Also my credit card treats deposits as purchases, so no interest and 1.5% cash back.

Ironically, I first tried to join draftkings but their app froze on my android phone. I belong to Playsugarhouse and fanduel only. Sugarhouse is one of the few books that actually gives you a match on deposits. $250 on my first $250 deposit. And they had a superbowl 25% match that maxed out at $100, so I maxed that out. One times play through is extremely reasonable. I think Sugarhouse uses the same odds making software as Draftkings. Their live odds is better than FanDuel (except for NFL where Fanduel is better). Overall, pre-game, Fanduel's odds are almost always better than Sugarhouse.

As for Fanduel, I can't imagine a better book for a fairly casual gambler. For relatively small bets their promos and odds boosts are legitimate improvements over the lines (whereas Sugarhouse's odds boosts are a total joke...I get better regular odds at FanDuel). There have been numerous times where I could book an odds boost on fanduel and hedge on sugarhouse and guarantee at least a small win before a game (or games...as many of their odds boosts are three and four money lines) has even started, if I wanted to go that route....again small bets.

One other distinction between FanDuel and the other books that doesn't get talked about enough is the concept of credit vs. free bet. Sugarhouse and Draftkings and most other books have promos where they offer you a free bet for something (ex: $50 super bowl prop bet gets you a free xfl or nhl $10 bet). When you use the free bets, if you win, you keep your winnings only. They take back the free bet.

Fanduel pays most of their promos in site credit, which is much better (one time playthrough, but you have to bet it within 7 days typically). In the case of the site credit, if you win your bet(s) you keep both the original credit and the winnings, which is far better than the free bet concept.
I'm basically up around the amount of the sugarhouse matches and all of the fanduel site credits; without them, I've lost money. I expect the promos to slow down as the market growth slows, and the books consolidate. But for the time being, for the casual better, these online sports books are the way to go for convenience, and for the casual better, better odds than the offshore books taking promos and fees into account. They don't give you better than -110. I don't think they allow bitcoin, and their limits are much lower than the offshore books. So they're not for the professional betters.
Anyway...just my two cents.

And casual or professional, there's no better place for information and generally helpful discussion than this forum.

[Optional]

Nice first post Mdkpicks

[jjgold]

Bonuses much much bigger offshore

Throw our free sign up that’s one time

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Great post MDK

[jjgold]

I have a video
On payouts

It will explain the non sense thinker

[Believe_EMT]

Free $45 at Fanduel today if you are in PA

every 1,000 bettors that back Phi vs Mil, FD adds a point to the line.

currently is Phi +29.5, last time i checked. sure some will complain about the $50 max, but it is free money.

not to dispute anything MDK stated, but i found draftkings to be a fantastic sign up bonus, at least for PA. got a 20% bonus on deposit and they did a risk free $500 first bet. win or lose, they credit you up to $500. it truly is a risk free bet. this is handy when you are bonus whoring your way to a bankroll made solely from house money. that first bet wins, you get the $454 and the $500. playing those off of rivers, sugarhouse and Parx, easy way to build up over a $1K BR and remove your original deposit. straight house money from that point forward.

Unibet was great, but stop doing their daily 50% profit bonus on a single bet up to $50 max. was able to Arb that daily and add $200 to the BR monthly. these small wins add up. hurts seeing a risk free $2,500 yearly disappear.

[jjgold]

Books can not afford giving perks in USA all the time

Offshore has very little cost to run

USA it’s massive

[dante1]

Books can not afford giving perks in USA all the time

Offshore has very little cost to run

USA it’s massive

right now, I am getting 32.5 points on the 76er's at FanDuel. These Pa book are falling all over each other to gain customers. Yeah, it is only a $50 limit but if this type of promotion lasts it is almost like giving away money. What a middle, I will wager the max 50 on the 76'ers and at least 100 on the bucks at a different book. So I will either win approximately 150, 50 or lose 50. I will take that every day.


and oh btw the line will continue increasing for every, I believe 1000 player wagers, so it might go off a 40, who knows we will see. Parx, if you have a balance rewards you with free money all the time. Bonus money is a one time roll. Fox is good also. Easy wd and deposit. when the lines improve betting in state is a no brainer.

and for the casual player it is already a no brainer. perks out the ass, no problem with communication.



sorry Draftkings not Parx.

[thomorino]

Free $45 at Fanduel today if you are in PA

every 1,000 bettors that back Phi vs Mil, FD adds a point to the line.

currently is Phi +29.5, last time i checked. sure some will complain about the $50 max, but it is free money.

not to dispute anything MDK stated, but i found draftkings to be a fantastic sign up bonus, at least for PA. got a 20% bonus on deposit and they did a risk free $500 first bet. win or lose, they credit you up to $500. it truly is a risk free bet. this is handy when you are bonus whoring your way to a bankroll made solely from house money. that first bet wins, you get the $454 and the $500. playing those off of rivers, sugarhouse and Parx, easy way to build up over a $1K BR and remove your original deposit. straight house money from that point forward.

Unibet was great, but stop doing their daily 50% profit bonus on a single bet up to $50 max. was able to Arb that daily and add $200 to the BR monthly. these small wins add up. hurts seeing a risk free $2,500 yearly disappear.

Yeah it seems like unibet stopped the 50% boosts, will be interesting to see if that is temporary.

[jjgold]

You will eventually get chucked if just betting boosts and I would do same thing

[dante1]

You will eventually get chucked if just betting boosts and I would do same thing

state run can't "chuck" players without a legitimate cause (cheating) or some other offense. these are regulated with rules JJ, it isn't the wild wild west when you are dealing with state regulated stores. tossing out a winner will not happen, tossing out a player who takes advantage (legally) of bonus offers will not happen.


think, think a little before printing.

[dante1]

Free $45 at Fanduel today if you are in PA

every 1,000 bettors that back Phi vs Mil, FD adds a point to the line.

currently is Phi +29.5, last time i checked. sure some will complain about the $50 max, but it is free money.

not to dispute anything MDK stated, but i found draftkings to be a fantastic sign up bonus, at least for PA. got a 20% bonus on deposit and they did a risk free $500 first bet. win or lose, they credit you up to $500. it truly is a risk free bet. this is handy when you are bonus whoring your way to a bankroll made solely from house money. that first bet wins, you get the $454 and the $500. playing those off of rivers, sugarhouse and Parx, easy way to build up over a $1K BR and remove your original deposit. straight house money from that point forward.

Unibet was great, but stop doing their daily 50% profit bonus on a single bet up to $50 max. was able to Arb that daily and add $200 to the BR monthly. these small wins add up. hurts seeing a risk free $2,500 yearly disappear.

35.5 right now WoW


these PA books are experimenting, attempting to rob customers from the other PA books. Competition, fierce competition is producing exactly what the econ books tell us it will produce, a better product. these next two or three years should be a golden opportunity for state players because they will continue to compete.

however, they cannot offer bonuses that will constantly lose and lose big. a book might do that for a little while but it won't be forever. It is much like the pricing wars of the past. low bid and give great deals (sometimes losing deals) until you smash the competition. that is supposed to be illegal, right?

the point is you can't do better than PA books at this point in time. My god this line might go up past 40, it is almost ridiculous. Can they lose? Of course but what are the mathematical odds of the 76ers losing with that line. It is giving away money. these deals will continue for the next few years which I think means sooner or later one or two of these books will get an epiphany and lower the vig. they are probably already discussing it.

[jjgold]

FanDuel FYI is losing. Lot of money because
Of all the marketing

[mdkpicks]

I'm really disapponted that Fanduel didn't offer that insane Sixers spread boost to NJ customers. But I think they've made much better inroads in NJ so far than they have in PA (and to JJGold's point I'm sure it has come at a high cost). Very much agree with your point, Dante, about the next few years being a golden opportunity for state players. It won't be long before those of us playing the state books will wistfully say...."remember when..." talking about the odds boosts and promos. I do question that they will lower the vig though because I'm not sure the state run books want to attract the sharp players. The odds boost and many of the promos are limited to $50 bets which sharps will laugh at.

Actually, after I originally posted this I remembered that Pointsbet (which I don't think is in PA yet) and is a big NBA book, offers -105 on NBA bets. So it has happened. And thinking about the promo costs, we may start to see more of that, Dante. Although points bet may avoid PA because they tax the books heavier than other states.

Believe_EMT. I didn't know that Draft Kings was offering a risk free promo where you get credit win or lose. Although the promos shift like the wind. I actually joined fanduel because I had a chance to win $500 with a Monday night win in one of my pools, so I used the risk free bet for $300 to ensure I got something and couldn't have been more pleased when I lost the fanduel bet. If I hadn't lost it, I know I wouldn't have gotten anything more back.

To add to my original post, I tested Sugarhouse on a partial payout with paypal (I had already done so with Fanduel with no problems). I was a little miffed when Sugarhouse asked for a copy of my driver's license (which I gave them to start the account) and credit card which I had funded the account with but uploaded them and started a chat explaining my feelings to the agent. He gave me the line about state regs and protecting the customer. I said I understood, but hoped I wouldn't get stopped with this whenever i asked for a withdrawal. He said something like that wouldn't happen any time (time will confirm or refute that). I also said I was disappointed that the document request took over 1 business day to get to me and I hoped I wouldn't wait more than another business day for them to approve my uploads. To my pleasant surprise he had their payments team verify both uploads during the chat and approve them and my money was in paypal within 30 minutes.

[dante1]

I'm really disapponted that Fanduel didn't offer that insane Sixers spread boost to NJ customers. But I think they've made much better inroads in NJ so far than they have in PA (and to JJGold's point I'm sure it has come at a high cost). Very much agree with your point, Dante, about the next few years being a golden opportunity for state players. It won't be long before those of us playing the state books will wistfully say...."remember when..." talking about the odds boosts and promos. I do question that they will lower the vig though because I'm not sure the state run books want to attract the sharp players. The odds boost and many of the promos are limited to $50 bets which sharps will laugh at.

Actually, after I originally posted this I remembered that Pointsbet (which I don't think is in PA yet) and is a big NBA book, offers -105 on NBA bets. So it has happened. And thinking about the promo costs, we may start to see more of that, Dante.
Believe_EMT. I didn't know that Draft Kings was offering a risk free promo where you get credit win or lose. Although the promos shift like the wind. I actually joined fanduel because I had a chance to win $500 with a Monday night win in one of my pools, so I used the risk free bet for $300 to ensure I got something and couldn't have been more pleased when I lost the fanduel bet. If I hadn't lost it, I know I wouldn't have gotten anything more back.

To add to my original post, I tested Sugarhouse on a partial payout with paypal (I had already done so with Fanduel with no problems). I was a little miffed when Sugarhouse asked for a copy of my driver's license (which I gave them to start the account) and credit card which I had funded the account with but uploaded them and started a chat explaining my feelings to the agent. He gave me the line about state regs and protecting the customer. I said I understood, but hoped I wouldn't get stopped with this whenever i asked for a withdrawal. He said something like that wouldn't happen any time (time will confirm or refute that). I also said I was disappointed that the document request took over 1 business day to get to me and I hoped I wouldn't wait more than another business day for them to approve my uploads. To my pleasant surprise he had their payments team verify both uploads during the chat and approve them and my money was in paypal within 30 minutes.

I am assuming you are a NJ resident. Some of my family live in NJ so I can utilize both state's bonuses and do it legally. I am going to also assume that you know about the $1000 risk free bet available to you in NJ via bet America. If you don't you will now be a very happy camper.


check it out.

I think that line is now 43.5 lol, wonder if they will cover.

[mdkpicks]

Appreciate that Dante. I do live in NJ near PA.

I just checked out Betamerica and noticed they have a 3x rollover requirement within 7 days so I may wait to join:

1. Qualifying bets can be single straight bets with odds not more favorable than -250 or parlays of four legs or greater, with odds not more favorable than -200.
2. Bonus amount will be based on the bet amount of the first qualifying real money sports wager settled, up to $1,000.
3. Bonus amount will be credited instantly as the first qualifying real money sports wager is settled if a loser.
4. Once issued, the bonus funds will be made available for wagering immediately and viewable as bonus funds in the player’s wallet.
5. Bonus funds will be eligible to be used on sports wagers only. Not eligible to be used in casino.
6. There is a wagering requirement before players are permitted to withdraw any bonus funds or bonus winnings from their account.
7. This wagering requirement will be 3x the amount of the bonus before a withdrawal of the funds can be initiated, i.e. if a player receives $1,000 in bonus funds, they must then place settled wagers to the value of $3,000 ($1,000 x 3) before being able to withdraw any bonus funds or bonus winnings.
8. The wagering requirement can be single straight bets with odds not more favorable than -250 or parlays of four legs or greater, with odds not more favorable than -200
9. Players will have seven days to complete the wagering requirement or the bonus will be canceled and any remaining bonus funds or bonus winnings will be forfeited and deducted from the player’s account.

[dante1]

Appreciate that Dante. I do live in NJ near PA.

I just checked out Betamerica and noticed they have a 3x rollover requirement within 7 days so I may wait to join:

1. Qualifying bets can be single straight bets with odds not more favorable than -250 or parlays of four legs or greater, with odds not more favorable than -200.
2. Bonus amount will be based on the bet amount of the first qualifying real money sports wager settled, up to $1,000.
3. Bonus amount will be credited instantly as the first qualifying real money sports wager is settled if a loser.
4. Once issued, the bonus funds will be made available for wagering immediately and viewable as bonus funds in the player’s wallet.
5. Bonus funds will be eligible to be used on sports wagers only. Not eligible to be used in casino.
6. There is a wagering requirement before players are permitted to withdraw any bonus funds or bonus winnings from their account.
7. This wagering requirement will be 3x the amount of the bonus before a withdrawal of the funds can be initiated, i.e. if a player receives $1,000 in bonus funds, they must then place settled wagers to the value of $3,000 ($1,000 x 3) before being able to withdraw any bonus funds or bonus winnings.
8. The wagering requirement can be single straight bets with odds not more favorable than -250 or parlays of four legs or greater, with odds not more favorable than -200
9. Players will have seven days to complete the wagering requirement or the bonus will be canceled and any remaining bonus funds or bonus winnings will be forfeited and deducted from the player’s account.

good, so you didn't know about it. Well, this is my opinion only, I would make the $1000 wager with BA and then play a $500 wager on the other side and hopefully find a point or at least a half point difference with a small chance for a middle. This way if you lose your BA bet you win $500 and get back your $1000.


BTW JJ in answer to your post 93 FanDuel is crushing all the other PA sports books at this time, in fact they are number one in with the next five totals only equaliying FD. Meaning they are not losing money, not by a long shot.


Check out your opinions before you print them, this is at least the 3rd time I had to correct your BS. WTF, you are like a jr high kid with comments that are not credible.

[mdkpicks]

Also thanks to the user who gave me post points for my original post. I tried to message you but I can't do that until I've reached 40 posts. I didn't list your name here, but as I put in my original message to you, I do hope Gruden gets treatment for his man crush on geriatric QB's

[mdkpicks]

I debated posting this here or starting a new thread, but since it's about PA/NJ I'll leave it here. Does anyone know a legal PA (or NJ) sportsbook that lets you combine your funds for racebook and sportsbook as they do for the casino. It doesn't seem like any of them do, and both Fanduel (TVG) and betAmerica would be naturals for this given their horseracing footprint. If not, do you know if it's a regulatory or software issue?

[dante1]

I debated posting this here or starting a new thread, but since it's about PA/NJ I'll leave it here. Does anyone know a legal PA (or NJ) sportsbook that lets you combine your funds for racebook and sportsbook as they do for the casino. It doesn't seem like any of them do, and both Fanduel (TVG) and betAmerica would be naturals for this given their horseracing footprint. If not, do you know if it's a regulatory or software issue?

I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. I seldom play horses, only the big races and just for fun. I learned my lesson. (lol) you will need to speak to a rep from all 8 of them. or message them.

[Crusherrr]

state run can't "chuck" players without a legitimate cause (cheating) or some other offense. these are regulated with rules JJ, it isn't the wild wild west when you are dealing with state regulated stores. tossing out a winner will not happen, tossing out a player who takes advantage (legally) of bonus offers will not happen.


think, think a little before printing.

You are absolutely wrong on this. Maybe they haven't in PA yet because it hasn't been around for long but many players have been limited to peanuts and also asked to stop only betting promotional lines or boosts in NJ. In my eyes players being limited to several dollars per wager is the same as being thrown out. It shows that they don't want that persons action.

The fact that you think because it's legal means they can't protect their bottom line is laughable.

[dante1]

You are absolutely wrong on this. Maybe they haven't in PA yet because it hasn't been around for long but many players have been limited to peanuts and also asked to stop only betting promotional lines or boosts in NJ. In my eyes players being limited to several dollars per wager is the same as being thrown out. It shows that they don't want that persons action.

The fact that you think because it's legal means they can't protect their bottom line is laughable.

that surprises me, show me the link.

[dante1]

New Jersey is one of the only states in which gaming operators are not allowed to refuse to take bets from players who are simply using skill, a protocol backed by a 1982 decision from the Supreme Court of New Jersey.


the above quote is taking from the "one and done" google it.

so obviously the info you got from "friends", or acquaintances is BS. at least in NJ, I will research PA when I find the time.

[Crusherrr]

that surprises me, show me the link.

I won't link you to another forum but many of the NJ books have been kicking players, without warning, for "abusing" bonuses,boosts, promotional lines.

One example is Pointsbet as I mentioned above. This was an email sent to lots of players. Keep in mind that they have had the most positive response to players. Books like Draftkings will limit or remove promotional offerings without telling you and also limit your betting activity without telling you ahead of time. At least Pointsbet has updated their T&C to let players know what they expect of them

We noticed that the majority of your betting activity with PointsBet Sportsbook of late has been on promotional and booster odds markets.

PointsBets Sportsbook products and promotions are intended to encourage members to bet on different sports and markets not primarily to exploit promotions. If the majority of your betting activity continues to be on promotional markets your eligibility for these promotions may be removed. We suggest keeping your nightly action on promo markets to around 20%.*

This is just a warning and you are still able to bet on promotional markets, but please try and limit your activity on them to a reasonable amount.

For more information on the conditions for using your PointsBet Sportsbook account, see:*https://pointsbet.com/terms-and-conditions

[Crusherrr]

New Jersey is one of the only states in which gaming operators are not allowed to refuse to take bets from players who are simply using skill, a protocol backed by a 1982 decision from the Supreme Court of New Jersey.


the above quote is taking from the "one and done" google it.

so obviously the info you got from "friends", or acquaintances is BS. at least in NJ, I will research PA when I find the time.

Again, they may not "ban" or "refuse to take bets" but they will cut action so low that nobody would continue betting there. It's pathetic when a $30 wager needs to be sent for approval. If you think being limited to $5 isn't the same as refusing their action then I'm not sure what to tell you.