dual lines

[bigboydan]

which books have you found that do this.

[Max Levine]

I haven't seen it personally. Not winning big enough. But I read that Bowman's is one that's doing it.

Max

[tacomax]

You mean books which give different lines to different people? If that's the case, then Bodog do it. In fact they advertise the fact.

[bigboydan]

i remember reading about bodog doing this type of stuff a while back.

[tacomax]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/050523/23casino_5.htm

Something that isn't obvious to many customers is the way some online casinos set the odds. Calvin Ayre, founder of Bodog.com, one of the world's biggest sports books, says that computers at his Costa Rican site identify each bettor and then personalize the odds. Such player profiling cannot occur in the legal sports books in Las Vegas because those casinos publish their lines in newspapers. Ayre says the individual odds are nothing more than a high-tech version of the traditional bookie's practice of taking advantage of, say, a Philadelphian's emotional tendency to bet on the Eagles. "They have the choice to take our offer or the other side," or to go to another site, Ayre says.

[Max Levine]

"They have the choice to take our offer or the other side," or to go to another site, Ayre says.

I guess that's one way to get rid of winners.

[JoshW]

Almost easier to name those that don't do this.

Of the featured books up top:

Bodog
Bowmans
VIP (and all the VIP owned books)

Others:
VO Group (BeverlyHillsBookie.com, MVPSportsbook.com, etc)
Tradeswinds
Betmaker
First Fidelity
Royal (although not sure about currently)
BetUS
Oasis
Nine/MyBookie/GrandCentral

[Pedro]

This may be a little off topic but:

"in the legal sports books in Las Vegas because those casinos publish their lines in newspapers. "

Does this mean that once the odds are published (in the newspaper), the casino cannot change them till game time? Wouldn't this lead to a lot of arbitrage opportunities once the line starts moving one way?

Pedro

[JoshW]

This may be a little off topic but:

"in the legal sports books in Las Vegas because those casinos publish their lines in newspapers. "

Does this mean that once the odds are published (in the newspaper), the casino cannot change them till game time? Wouldn't this lead to a lot of arbitrage opportunities once the line starts moving one way?

Pedro

It means Ayre was misquoted or he isn't too informed. Whether odds are published in newspapers or not, does not mean that they won't change based on action. More likely he means that odds for most of the bigger events are usually posted on a board, generally electronic, so is tougher to profile as everyone can see the odds.

I am not that experienced betting in Vegas, have only had couple trips, but it is not uncommon for them to profile by offering very low limits to some players and not others. I don't know if they are allowed to profile the lines based on players when they ask for lines or not, they certainly manipulate limits.

But you are right to pick up that the newspaper comment makes no sense.

[Pedro]

It means Ayre was misquoted or he isn't too informed. Whether odds are published in newspapers or not, does not mean that they won't change based on action. More likely he means that odds for most of the bigger events are usually posted on a board, generally electronic, so is tougher to profile as everyone can see the odds.

I am not that experienced betting in Vegas, have only had couple trips, but it is not uncommon for them to profile by offering very low limits to some players and not others. I don't know if they are allowed to profile the lines based on players when they ask for lines or not, they certainly manipulate limits.

But you are right to pick up that the newspaper comment makes no sense.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Damn, I was already packing my bags and getting that airplane ticket to Vegas

Pedro

[JoshW]

LMAO, agree. We could all be rich if that was the case.

[onlooker]

I wish that was true myself Pedro.

[OldeTymePlaya]

Bowmans and VIP

[pags11]

so do they give you one set of lines when you first start playing and then another set if you start winning...or is it based on more against what you play...

[Senator7]

I will go out of my way to avoid books that give dual lines and books that are notorious for cutting limits. You couldn't pay me to play at Bodog. Stick with CRIS, Pinnacle, and Olympic and you'll never go wrong!

Senator 7

[raiders72001]

o do they give you one set of lines when you first start playing and then another set if you start winning...or is it based on more against what you play...

Some people get sharp lines day one as they have been profiled and the book has a record on them. Others will get sharp lines on their betting habits. If a player bets lots of steam and is beating the book to the number the player will get sharp lines and may have his limits cut or get booted.

[aceking]

Bowmans has different lines before and after login

[paul022112]

yea

[slacker00]

Good info, guys. It almost seems like this would be an advantage for a sharp, who doesn't mindlessly bet on his hometown favorite every single week. Maybe the book will personalize the line towards the wrong direction, you'll get an added bonus. Otherwise you can just not take the line.

[bigboydan]

i know one of my locals last baseball season started feeding my dual line at one point. i wasn't too happy about it either. but, he was taking big hits from me left and right on a weekly basis at the time. so, i guess i can understand why he did it.

[JoshW]

Good info, guys. It almost seems like this would be an advantage for a sharp, who doesn't mindlessly bet on his hometown favorite every single week. Maybe the book will personalize the line towards the wrong direction, you'll get an added bonus. Otherwise you can just not take the line.

In terms of Internet dual lines is usually only two lines offered. One of the lines usually has very expensive prices on the favorites and good prices on the dogs. They are essentially using it to get a little more off of the square players who play favorites (will lay -7.5, when they could lay -7 or even -6.5 elsewhere). Wouldn't be such a big deal, but if you start betting +7.5 and taking advantage of the good dog lines they will put you on the regular line were you get 7 for example. This is not to say that you sometimes can find a good line on a regular line, but in general, you are getting the same boring numbers everyone else gets that you could get even if you had just a couple other books.

I don't like the practice and it screws the squares while not giving regular bettors a shot at the same lines. With that said I will take a dual line any day over being kicked out of a book or having my limits cut to very low amounts. So books like bodog and bowmans are ok with me, while Nine and VIP are somewhat a joke in my opinion.

[Brick Tamland]

I give my guys different lines. I dont see anything wrong with it. Its not like the odds they get arnet honored and I dont price gouge them. When I was getting all the patriots action I was adding an extra half point on but if they wanted the dog they got the half in their favor. Its not like i gave them -120 on both sides.

[pags11]

I like bodog 'cause I bet a lot of dogs late...how do you tell if you get a different sit of lines...

[tacomax]

I like bodog 'cause I bet a lot of dogs late...how do you tell if you get a different sit of lines...

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