Bachelor Contestant Won 1mil in DFS Contest. Accused of Collusion

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Is the advantage coming from the fact the prize structure is so top-heavy? What am I missing here, if they pay for it they can lose - so why do people have a problem with them winning? It must be how much they stand to win and the math isn't clear to me. Can anyone explain this in laymans terms plz

Well, they make a limit to try and make it possible for everyone to compete, as a sales tool. (ethically questionable for this sort of contest when they cannot police a syndicate like this circumventing that limit easily)

In a week like this there was far less high % chance lineups than usual, so if there were unlimited entries maybe a lot of people would have shared first prize.

So a syndicate working as one effective entry has an extra large unfair advantage over people following the published rules in this NFL week.



One question that still comes to mind though... if fantasy is so corrupt and "everyone cheats" using syndicate entries like this, then why did they win the first prize alone?

[RudyRuetigger]

fantasy is so corrupt and "everyone cheats" using syndicate entries like this, then why did they win the first prize alone?

everyone doesnt cheat

but im sure most of those 150 max entries have atleast 1 or 2 friends in it with max entries


they are suffocating the fish worse than bots at poker collecting VPPs at stars

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everyone doesnt cheat

but im sure most of those 150 max entries have atleast 1 or 2 friends in it with max entries


they are suffocating the fish worse than bots at poker collecting VPPs at stars

It would be interesting to know how many 150 max entries they had.

[dlowilly]

He didn't gain an advantage

The problem is other players were disadvantaged

For example if there was a poker tournament with 1000 entries and a guaranteed prize pool, a pro entering 100 clones of himself instead of 1 entry would reduce his variance but decrease his ROI in the long run. Meanwhile it had nothing but negative effects on other players because those 100 pro clones took spots that could have gone to some amateurs or less skilled players.

[RudyRuetigger]

its basic stats they aren't submitting so many entries that their grand prize is diluted.

their ROI is still super high compared whether they have 150,300, or 1000 entries

you are also forgettiing that its not just the main prize

you can submit 300 entries and win cash with multiple entries, which is likely if you are wheeling around high leverage picks that pan out (like D.K metcalf or Derrick Henry.

So you could have 152 of your 300 entries win cash

still no advantage?

this is the main point and its all computer generated and entered

your time is not wasted and each individual lineup is still +EV if you are that smart











































theyll need to get rid of it like some poker sites got rid of sharscope/hud

noone sits there and enters 150 (or in this case was it 294 various lineups)

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this is the main point and its all computer generated and entered

your time is not wasted and each individual lineup is still +EV if you are that smart

If it is as simple of using some analysis software and clicking a button, again, why is there only one first prize winner?


I'm not arguing, I don't know fantasy at all, just saying that it doesn't make sense.

[dlowilly]

its basic stats they aren't submitting so many entries that their grand prize is diluted.

their ROI is still super high compared whether they have 150,300, or 1000 entries

you are also forgettiing that its not just the main prize

you can submit 300 entries and win cash with multiple entries, which is likely if you are wheeling around high leverage picks that pan out (like D.K metcalf or Derrick Henry.

So you could have 152 of your 300 entries win cash

still no advantage?

NO advantage per entry

They are just getting more money in play and if they are a winning player the fact they are getting more in play would be the advantage, but it doesn't increase their ROI per entry

Also, like you said if most of those entries have similar core picks you're going to have a lot of similar scores competing for and splitting the same prizes. For example if he is fortunate enough to be in the top 20 of a millionaire tourney with a couple of entries the lower of the 2 is drastically affected by his other one being higher because the price jumps are so significant when you place so high.

[RudyRuetigger]

If it is as simple of using some analysis software and clicking a button, again, why is there only one first prize winner?


I'm not arguing, I don't know fantasy at all, just saying that it doesn't make sense.

i dont follow fantasy football and have never actually risked money on it unless it was a freeplay or something

but take golf, 144 player field and lets say i think 30 guys are +EV at their price per point i expect them to get

its impossible to know how many combinations there are since we dont know the prices but im sure its way more than 300

same response for dlow

[RudyRuetigger]

and you have to think of it like this:

ok we bet sports plays when we think 100% to win, its a lock

but you bet 55%, 54.9%, 53.6%, etc etc because the plays are still +EV

this is what happens with lineups



plus as someone said, the field payout is so top heavy

but you also make cash back with your min cashes

[RudyRuetigger]

lets say you find in the sportsbook

team A: +150 at +7.5

another book

team B: :+150 at -6.5


who knows which side has the most value?

both are +EV if we consider the current line at 7

so a sharp will say, oh yea i want that

and does that for 20-30 players

[Igor_1965]

So why allow 150 entries and not 15, per person? This is just a number they pulled out of their ass trying to strike a balance between being greedy for vig and making it look to the fish that they stand a chance.

[RudyRuetigger]

So why allow 150 entries and not 15, per person? This is just a number they pulled out of their ass trying to strike a balance between being greedy for vig and making it look to the fish that they stand a chance.

1 million dollar payout looks cool on the news though

[dlowilly]

It's very rare for those big first prizes to be shared because they usually include a couple of fuked up picks no one would think of

[Plaza23]

Does anyone here have access to optimizers? Are these programs that you buy or are they free? And is it really possible for these 2 people to not enter in 300 different lineups, but have a computer do it for you on the DraftKings website?

[RudyRuetigger]

Does anyone here have access to optimizers? Are these programs that you buy or are they free? And is it really possible for these 2 people to not enter in 300 different lineups, but have a computer do it for you on the DraftKings website?

yes its free with a new signup and deposit at draftkings through their links

no im not telling you where to do it


fukk all of those dumbasses

[hehfest]

We once called these "Tat Tramps" back in the day! I suppose things have changed.

[OTWinner]

From playboy centerfold to DraftKings millionaire. Nice

[dhristov211]

Does anyone here have access to optimizers? Are these programs that you buy or are they free? And is it really possible for these 2 people to not enter in 300 different lineups, but have a computer do it for you on the DraftKings website?

This is #1 problem. As family they should have 150 unique lineups not 300 or 298.

[ace7550]

Diggity this is the kind of research that will solve this case. Excellent work sir!

[johnnyvegas13]

I played in like 12-15 of these and never did better than getting $30 off of $10

[dlowilly]

I played in like 12-15 of these and never did better than getting $30 off of $10

The payout structures in these huge tourneys are very top heavy

For example in the upcoming fanduel million dollar tourney you would have to place 15th to win $1000 off a $9 entry. 132,275 entrants, so that's in the top .001%

[shari91]

Prize is being awarded to someone else. Done for cheating.

“Jade Roper is stripped of $1M winnings amid cheating allegations”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7929551/Jade-Roper-stripped-1M-winnings-fantasy-football-league-amid-cheating-allegations.html

[RudyRuetigger]

Prize is being awarded to someone else. Done for cheating.

“Jade Roper is stripped of $1M winnings amid cheating allegations”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...legations.html

great news