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  • raiders72001
    Senior Member
    • 08-10-05
    • 11065

    #561
    Yield Farming


    Broadly, yield farming is any effort to put crypto assets to work and generate the most returns possible on those assets.

    At the simplest level, a yield farmer might move assets around within Compound, constantly chasing whichever pool is offering the best APY from week to week. This might mean moving into riskier pools from time to time, but a yield farmer can handle risk.

    “Farming opens up new price arbs [arbitrage] that can spill over to other protocols whose tokens are in the pool,” said Maya Zehavi, a blockchain consultant.

    Because these positions are tokenized, though, they can go further.


    This was a brand-new kind of yield on a deposit. In fact, it was a way to earn a yield on a loan. Who has ever heard of a borrower earning a return on a debt from their lender?

    In a simple example, a yield farmer might put 100,000 USDT into Compound. They will get a token back for that stake, called cUSDT. Let’s say they get 100,000 cUSDT back (the formula on Compound is crazy so it’s not 1:1 like that but it doesn’t matter for our purposes here).

    They can then take that cUSDT and put it into a liquidity pool that takes cUSDT on Balancer, an AMM that allows users to set up self-rebalancing crypto index funds. In normal times, this could earn a small amount more in transaction fees. This is the basic idea of yield farming. The user looks for edge cases in the system to eke out as much yield as they can across as many products as it will work on.

    Right now, however, things are not normal, and they probably won’t be for a while.

    Why is yield farming so hot right now?


    Because of liquidity mining. Liquidity mining supercharges yield farming.

    Liquidity mining is when a yield farmer gets a new token as well as the usual return (that’s the “mining” part) in exchange for the farmer’s liquidity.

    “The idea is that stimulating usage of the platform increases the value of the token, thereby creating a positive usage loop to attract users,” said Richard Ma of smart-contract auditor Quantstamp.

    The yield farming examples above are only farming yield off the normal operations of different platforms. Supply liquidity to Compound or Uniswap and get a little cut of the business that runs over the protocols – very vanilla.

    But Compound announced earlier this year it wanted to truly decentralize the product and it wanted to give a good amount of ownership to the people who made it popular by using it. That ownership would take the form of the COMP token.

    Lest this sound too altruistic, keep in mind that the people who created it (the team and the investors) owned more than half of the equity. By giving away a healthy proportion to users, that was very likely to make it a much more popular place for lending. In turn, that would make everyone’s stake worth much more.

    So, Compound announced this four-year period where the protocol would give out COMP tokens to users, a fixed amount every day until it was gone. These COMP tokens control the protocol, just as shareholders ultimately control publicly traded companies.

    Every day, the Compound protocol looks at everyone who had lent money to the application and who had borrowed from it and gives them COMP proportional to their share of the day’s total business.

    The results were very surprising, even to Compound’s biggest promoters.


    COMP’s value will likely go down, and that’s why some investors are rushing to earn as much of it as they can right now.

    This was a brand-new kind of yield on a deposit into Compound. In fact, it was a way to earn a yield on a loan, as well, which is very weird: Who has ever heard of a borrower earning a return on a debt from their lender?

    COMP’s value has consistently been well over $200 since it started distributing on June 15. We did the math elsewhere but long story short: investors with fairly deep pockets can make a strong gain maximizing their daily returns in COMP. It is, in a way, free money.

    It’s possible to lend to Compound, borrow from it, deposit what you borrowed and so on. This can be done multiple times and DeFi startup Instadapp even built a tool to make it as capital-efficient as possible.

    “Yield farmers are extremely creative. They find ways to ‘stack’ yields and even earn multiple governance tokens at once,” said Spencer Noon of DTC Capital.

    COMP’s value spike is a temporary situation. The COMP distribution will only last four years and then there won’t be any more. Further, most people agree that the high price now is driven by the low float (that is, how much COMP is actually free to trade on the market – it will never be this low again). So the value will probably gradually go down, and that’s why savvy investors are trying to earn as much as they can now.

    Appealing to the speculative instincts of diehard crypto traders has proven to be a great way to increase liquidity on Compound. This fattens some pockets but also improves the user experience for all kinds of Compound users, including those who would use it whether they were going to earn COMP or not.

    As usual in crypto, when entrepreneurs see something successful, they imitate it. Balancer was the next protocol to start distributing a governance token, BAL, to liquidity providers. Flash loan provider bZx has announced a plan. Ren, Curve and Synthetixalso teamed up to promote a liquidity pool on Curve.

    It is a fair bet many of the more well-known DeFi projects will announce some kind of coin that can be mined by providing liquidity.

    The case to watch here is Uniswap versus Balancer. Balancer can do the same thing Uniswap does, but most users who want to do a quick token trade through their wallet use Uniswap. It will be interesting to see if Balancer’s BAL token convinces Uniswap’s liquidity providers to defect.

    So far, though, more liquidity has gone into Uniswap since the BAL announcement, according to its data site. That said, even more has gone into Balancer.

    Did liquidity mining start with COMP?


    No, but it was the most-used protocol with the most carefully designed liquidity mining scheme.

    This point is debated but the origins of liquidity mining probably date back to Fcoin, a Chinese exchange that created a token in 2018 that rewarded people for making trades. You won’t believe what happened next! Just kidding, you will: People just started running bots to do pointless trades with themselves to earn the token.

    Similarly, EOS is a blockchain where transactions are basically free, but since nothing is really free the absence of friction was an invitation for spam. Some malicious hacker who didn’t like EOS created a token called EIDOS on the network in late 2019. It rewarded people for tons of pointless transactions and somehow got an exchange listing.

    These initiatives illustrated how quickly crypto users respond to incentives.

    Read more: Compound Changes COMP Distribution Rules Following ‘Yield Farming’ Frenzy

    Fcoin aside, liquidity mining as we now know it first showed up on Ethereum when the marketplace for synthetic tokens, Synthetix, announced in July 2019 an award in its SNX token for users who helped add liquidity to the sETH/ETH pool on Uniswap. By October, that was one of Uniswap’s biggest pools.

    When Compound Labs, the company that launched the Compound protocol, decided to create COMP, the governance token, the firm took months designing just what kind of behavior it wanted and how to incentivize it. Even still, Compound Labs was surprised by the response. It led to unintended consequences such as crowding into a previously unpopular market (lending and borrowing BAT) in order to mine as much COMP as possible.

    Just last week, 115 different COMP wallet addresses – senators in Compound’s ever-changing legislature – voted to change the distribution mechanism in hopes of spreading liquidity out across the markets again.

    Is there DeFi for bitcoin?


    Yes, on Ethereum.

    Nothing has beaten bitcoin over time for returns, but there’s one thing bitcoin can’t do on its own: create more bitcoin.

    A smart trader can get in and out of bitcoin and dollars in a way that will earn them more bitcoin, but this is tedious and risky. It takes a certain kind of person.

    DeFi, however, offers ways to grow one’s bitcoin holdings – though somewhat indirectly.


    A long HODLer is happy to gain fresh BTC off their counterparty’s short-term win. That’s the game.

    For example, a user can create a simulated bitcoin on Ethereum using BitGo’s WBTC system. They put BTC in and get the same amount back out in freshly minted WBTC. WBTC can be traded back for BTC at any time, so it tends to be worth the same as BTC.

    Then the user can take that WBTC, stake it on Compound and earn a few percent each year in yield on their BTC. Odds are, the people who borrow that WBTC are probably doing it to short BTC (that is, they will sell it immediately, buy it back when the price goes down, close the loan and keep the difference).

    A long HODLer is happy to gain fresh BTC off their counterparty’s short-term win. That’s the game.

    How risky is it?


    Enough.

    “DeFi, with the combination of an assortment of digital funds, automation of key processes, and more complex incentive structures that work across protocols – each with their own rapidly changing tech and governance practices – make for new types of security risks,” said Liz Steininger of Least Authority, a crypto security auditor. “Yet, despite these risks, the high yields are undeniably attractive to draw more users.”

    We’ve seen big failures in DeFi products. MakerDAO had one so bad this year it’s called “Black Thursday.” There was also the exploit against flash loan provider bZx. These things do break and when they do money gets taken.


    As this sector gets more robust, we could see token holders greenlighting more ways for investors to profit from DeFi niches.

    Right now, the deal is too good for certain funds to resist, so they are moving a lot of money into these protocols to liquidity mine all the new governance tokens they can. But the funds – entities that pool the resources of typically well-to-do crypto investors – are also hedging. Nexus Mutual, a DeFi insurance provider of sorts, told CoinDesk it has maxed out its available coverage on these liquidity applications. Opyn, the trustless derivatives maker, created a way to short COMP, just in case this game comes to naught.

    And weird things have arisen. For example, there’s currently more DAI on Compound than have been minted in the world. This makes sense once unpacked but it still feels dicey to everyone.

    That said, distributing governance tokens might make things a lot less risky for startups, at least with regard to the money cops.

    “Protocols distributing their tokens to the public, meaning that there’s a new secondary listing for SAFT tokens, [gives] plausible deniability from any security accusation,” Zehavi wrote. (The Simple Agreement for Future Tokens was a legal structure favored by many token issuers during the ICO craze.)

    Whether a cryptocurrency is adequately decentralized has been a key feature of ICO settlements with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

    What’s next for yield farming? (A prediction)


    COMP turned out to be a bit of a surprise to the DeFi world, in technical ways and others. It has inspired a wave of new thinking.

    “Other projects are working on similar things,” said Nexus Mutual founder Hugh Karp. In fact, informed sources tell CoinDesk brand-new projects will launch with these models.

    We might soon see more prosaic yield farming applications. For example, forms of profit-sharing that reward certain kinds of behavior.

    Imagine if COMP holders decided, for example, that the protocol needed more people to put money in and leave it there longer. The community could create a proposal that shaved off a little of each token’s yield and paid that portion out only to the tokens that were older than six months. It probably wouldn’t be much, but an investor with the right time horizon and risk profile might take it into consideration before making a withdrawal.

    (There are precedents for this in traditional finance: A 10-year Treasury bond normally yields more than a one-month T-bill even though they’re both backed by the full faith and credit of Uncle Sam, a 12-month certificate of deposit pays higher interest than a checking account at the same bank, and so on.)

    As this sector gets more robust, its architects will come up with ever more robust ways to optimize liquidity incentives in increasingly refined ways. We could see token holders greenlighting more ways for investors to profit from DeFi niches.

    Questions abound for this nascent industry: What will MakerDAO do to restore its spot as the king of DeFi? Will Uniswap join the liquidity mining trend? Will anyone stick all these governance tokens into a decentralized autonomous organization (DAO)? Or would that be a yield farmers co-op?

    Whatever happens, crypto’s yield farmers will keep moving fast. Some fresh fields may open and some may soon bear much less luscious fruit.

    But that’s the nice thing about farming in DeFi: It is very easy to switch fields.



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    • Optional
      Administrator
      • 06-10-10
      • 60929

      #562
      Originally posted by raiders72001
      They use the money for yield farming.
      Sounds like the sort of term you would hear from a HYIP ponzi operator.

      Not much legal demand for investment funds at the levels needed to pay 12% as a passive investment.
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      • raiders72001
        Senior Member
        • 08-10-05
        • 11065

        #563
        Originally posted by Optional
        Sounds like the sort of term you would hear from a HYIP ponzi operator.

        Not much legal demand for investment funds at the levels needed to pay 12% as a passive investment.
        lol. Some things are worrisome. Whales farm and receive free coins. Then they dump these coins. Too much fast easy money is being made.
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        • hotcross
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 08-04-17
          • 7934

          #564
          Originally posted by Sam Odom
          10,455

          Who's buying at <10,000
          Originally posted by Optional
          I'll start my weekly buy again if it slips under 10k and looks like it is holding a floor somewhere.
          if you haven't bought yet as the price touched 10k, you've likely missed out at this price
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          • Optional
            Administrator
            • 06-10-10
            • 60929

            #565
            Originally posted by hotcross
            if you haven't bought yet as the price touched 10k, you've likely missed out at this price
            I started buying a few hundred worth weekly in March at about 7200 and stopped as soon as it topped 10000.

            I would not mind a chance to add a bit more in that range.
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            • Sam Odom
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 10-30-05
              • 58063

              #566
              Originally posted by Sam Odom


              10,455

              Who's buying at <10,000

              dipped below...
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              • StackinGreen
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 10-09-10
                • 12140

                #567
                Originally posted by hotcross
                if you haven't bought yet as the price touched 10k, you've likely missed out at this price
                It doesn't matter. By 2023 it is in the 50-100k range. Anything around 10k is just fine, pretty much anything below 12.

                If Opti's guy Biden wins, it soars to 100k+ within a year.
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                • Sam Odom
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-30-05
                  • 58063

                  #568
                  Originally posted by StackinGreen



                  It doesn't matter. By 2023 it is in the 50-100k range.

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                  • Optional
                    Administrator
                    • 06-10-10
                    • 60929

                    #569
                    Originally posted by StackinGreen
                    It doesn't matter. By 2023 it is in the 50-100k range. Anything around 10k is just fine, pretty much anything below 12.

                    If Opti's guy Biden wins, it soars to 100k+ within a year.
                    I am thinking bitcoin does pretty much the same whoever wins. In the 2 years post election anyway. (and I think Biden is a horrible candidate for prez btw)

                    Basically because I am expecting a bit of a mini boom once the world feels safe from covid whatever happens in the US election. And I happen to think bitcoin will follow a strong market up. Rather than improve as a hedge against uncertainty as some think.
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                    • StackinGreen
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 10-09-10
                      • 12140

                      #570
                      Originally posted by Optional
                      I am thinking bitcoin does pretty much the same whoever wins. In the 2 years post election anyway. (and I think Biden is a horrible candidate for prez btw)

                      Basically because I am expecting a bit of a mini boom once the world feels safe from covid whatever happens in the US election. And I happen to think bitcoin will follow a strong market up. Rather than improve as a hedge against uncertainty as some think.
                      Don't worry, the false worry about covid will be replaced by another attempted coup when Trump wins the election, whether it is by fake ballots or the apparatchik. We have always had many more things to worry about then some flu - one that doesn't even affect children.
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                      • Optional
                        Administrator
                        • 06-10-10
                        • 60929

                        #571
                        Originally posted by StackinGreen
                        Don't worry, the false worry about covid will be replaced by another attempted coup when Trump wins the election, whether it is by fake ballots or the apparatchik. We have always had many more things to worry about then some flu - one that doesn't even affect children.
                        Berating people with your opinion won't change the fact too many do not agree with you right now for the economy to come back.

                        And if POTUS did not want the chaotic situation like we have, then he would use words to bring people together instead of fan the flames. So dont be complaining it's anyone elses fault until you see some attempt by the person in power to do what you say you want others to do.
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                        • Optional
                          Administrator
                          • 06-10-10
                          • 60929

                          #572
                          Can someone offer a laymans explainer about whats happening with ETH here?



                          1M Ether sell-off

                          The Ethereum price was at a two year high around A$666 last week, before crashing by a third in recent days. It's currently back around A$480 - although that's still significantly up on the pre-DeFi boom price of $325 in July. According to Santiment, the top 100 exchange addresses "decreased their tokens held from 16.92 million to 15.89 million over the past week." Santiment believes this was "almost certainly a sparkplug" to the price dump.

                          DeFi cripples Ethereum

                          The yield farming craze saw gas prices on the Ethereum network skyrocket this week, with some DeFi users paying $450 for a single transaction. Part of the problem was SushiSwap, a clone of the decentralised exchange Uniswap, offering eye wateringly high returns to encourage Uniswap liquidity providers to switch protocols. Other blockchains with lower fees are starting to make inroads into Ethereum's DeFi market with similar schemes, such as the Tron network's Pearl.

                          Markets swallow some bad Sushi

                          A contributing factor in the Ethereum price plunge appears to have been the anonymous founder of SushiSwap, Chef Nomi, cashing out $17.2 million worth of tokens - after repeatedly assuring the community that would never happen. Sushi fell by 53% as rumours of an 'exit scam' spread, however, Nomi later transferred control to FTX Founder Sam Bankman-Fried, who will hand it over to the community. Lawsuits are in the offing and speculation is swirling that Chef Nomi is actually one of the co-founders of Chainlink competitor: Band Protocol.

                          Quality DeFi projects?

                          It seems new unaudited, cloned, food-themed DeFi project pop up every day now and then just as quickly crash and burn. This week, Uniswap clone HotDog plunged from $4,000 to $1 in the space of 5 minutes, with Pizza and OnlyUp suffering similar fates. However, there are quality projects out there according to DeFiSafety's list of audited projects, with Synthetix, Compound, Uniswap, Maker DAO, Aave and Opyn Protection all scoring above 80% in audits that examine the quality of the code, testing and documentation.
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                          • StackinGreen
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 10-09-10
                            • 12140

                            #573
                            Originally posted by Optional
                            Berating people with your opinion won't change the fact too many do not agree with you right now for the economy to come back.

                            And if POTUS did not want the chaotic situation like we have, then he would use words to bring people together instead of fan the flames. So dont be complaining it's anyone elses fault until you see some attempt by the person in power to do what you say you want others to do.
                            As much as a patriot as the President is, he is just a breather. America was lost quite a few decades ago. I'm just warning others as to what's really going on.
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                            • hotcross
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 08-04-17
                              • 7934

                              #574
                              Originally posted by Optional
                              Part of the problem was SushiSwap, a clone of the decentralised exchange Uniswap, offering eye wateringly high returns to encourage Uniswap liquidity providers to switch protocols.

                              Other blockchains with lower fees are starting to make inroads into Ethereum's DeFi market with similar schemes, such as the Tron network's Pearl.

                              that's the key point, competition against Ethereum
                              I don't know details about all the other drama described

                              As always with crypto, you have to be careful or at least put into perspective the amount you want to speculate on these emerging markets and instruments, which are sometimes sketchy

                              (I'm not saying directly to you, Optional. Applies to anyone)
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                              • raiders72001
                                Senior Member
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 11065

                                #575
                                Originally posted by Optional
                                Can someone offer a laymans explainer about whats happening with ETH here?



                                1M Ether sell-off

                                The Ethereum price was at a two year high around A$666 last week, before crashing by a third in recent days. It's currently back around A$480 - although that's still significantly up on the pre-DeFi boom price of $325 in July. According to Santiment, the top 100 exchange addresses "decreased their tokens held from 16.92 million to 15.89 million over the past week." Santiment believes this was "almost certainly a sparkplug" to the price dump.

                                DeFi cripples Ethereum

                                The yield farming craze saw gas prices on the Ethereum network skyrocket this week, with some DeFi users paying $450 for a single transaction. Part of the problem was SushiSwap, a clone of the decentralised exchange Uniswap, offering eye wateringly high returns to encourage Uniswap liquidity providers to switch protocols. Other blockchains with lower fees are starting to make inroads into Ethereum's DeFi market with similar schemes, such as the Tron network's Pearl.

                                Markets swallow some bad Sushi

                                A contributing factor in the Ethereum price plunge appears to have been the anonymous founder of SushiSwap, Chef Nomi, cashing out $17.2 million worth of tokens - after repeatedly assuring the community that would never happen. Sushi fell by 53% as rumours of an 'exit scam' spread, however, Nomi later transferred control to FTX Founder Sam Bankman-Fried, who will hand it over to the community. Lawsuits are in the offing and speculation is swirling that Chef Nomi is actually one of the co-founders of Chainlink competitor: Band Protocol.

                                Quality DeFi projects?

                                It seems new unaudited, cloned, food-themed DeFi project pop up every day now and then just as quickly crash and burn. This week, Uniswap clone HotDog plunged from $4,000 to $1 in the space of 5 minutes, with Pizza and OnlyUp suffering similar fates. However, there are quality projects out there according to DeFiSafety's list of audited projects, with Synthetix, Compound, Uniswap, Maker DAO, Aave and Opyn Protection all scoring above 80% in audits that examine the quality of the code, testing and documentation.
                                Quick notes, will post more later:

                                Uniswap is a site where you swap (trade) ETH and ERC-20 tokens (coins on the ETH blockchain). Sushiswap and Hotdog are Uniswap copycats. The creator of Sushiswap goes by Chef Nomi. Chef Nomi pulled a fast one and dumped all of his Sushi (Sushiswap tokens) and the price crashed.

                                When you swap coins on Uniswap you have to pay a gas fee. The ETH order goes by who pays the highest gas fee. When you try to swap coins, the transaction can be seen. People are front running others to get coins by paying more gas.

                                There are many DeFi projects. Some are clones and others are much different. Polkadot is similar to Ethereum. AAVE is DeFi lending.
                                Last edited by raiders72001; 09-08-20, 11:04 PM.
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                                • raiders72001
                                  Senior Member
                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 11065

                                  #576
                                  If you are going to do this, the easiest way is to use Metamask. It's included in the Brave browser or you can download it. Metamask is a ERC-20 token wallet. Link it to Uniswap and you can swap tokens. A lot of the new ERC-20 tokens aren't on the exchanges yet.
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                                  • Optional
                                    Administrator
                                    • 06-10-10
                                    • 60929

                                    #577
                                    Sounds more fun than gambling on casino games... with almost as much action.

                                    Thanks. Almost wish I had time to catch up and learn about all this alt action.
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                                    • StackinGreen
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-09-10
                                      • 12140

                                      #578
                                      What percentage of y'all's portfolio (investment) is crypto?

                                      10%? 25%? More?
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                                      • Sam Odom
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 10-30-05
                                        • 58063

                                        #579
                                        <5%
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                                        • Bsims
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 02-03-09
                                          • 827

                                          #580
                                          3% of my liquid assets
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                                          • raiders72001
                                            Senior Member
                                            • 08-10-05
                                            • 11065

                                            #581
                                            Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                            What percentage of y'all's portfolio (investment) is crypto?

                                            10%? 25%? More?
                                            More
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                                            • ace7550
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-08-15
                                              • 3729

                                              #582
                                              Around 5%
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                                              • Arky
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-09-11
                                                • 1095

                                                #583
                                                I took a sizable portion of my 401K and turn it into crypto. A rather large bet, some would say.

                                                I'm a buyer/hodler so I've watched my crypto portfolio go down 60% (2018) and recently go up 25%. Up about 10% right now.....
                                                Last edited by Arky; 09-09-20, 07:52 PM.
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                                                • StackinGreen
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 10-09-10
                                                  • 12140

                                                  #584
                                                  I'm 25-30%
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                                                  • Sam Odom
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 10-30-05
                                                    • 58063

                                                    #585
                                                    $10,430
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                                                    • Sam Odom
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 10-30-05
                                                      • 58063

                                                      #586
                                                      Nice little Up Tick
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                                                      • Sam Odom
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 10-30-05
                                                        • 58063

                                                        #587
                                                        Originally posted by Sam Odom


                                                        10,455

                                                        Who's buying at <10,000


                                                        Originally posted by Sam Odom


                                                        dipped below...

                                                        11075
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                                                        • Sam Odom
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-30-05
                                                          • 58063

                                                          #588
                                                          10670

                                                          Down 7% last 30 days
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                                                          • BeatTheJerk
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 08-19-07
                                                            • 31794

                                                            #589
                                                            Originally posted by Arky
                                                            I took a sizable portion of my 401K and turn it into crypto. A rather large bet, some would say.

                                                            I'm a buyer/hodler so I've watched my crypto portfolio go down 60% (2018) and recently go up 25%. Up about 10% right now.....
                                                            You’re fuckin’ crazy for doing that being that the stock market is so steady.
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                                                            • nickfolker23
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 09-27-20
                                                              • 547

                                                              #590
                                                              Originally posted by Arky
                                                              I took a sizable portion of my 401K and turn it into crypto. A rather large bet, some would say.

                                                              I'm a buyer/hodler so I've watched my crypto portfolio go down 60% (2018) and recently go up 25%. Up about 10% right now.....
                                                              Gambling at its best
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                                                              • Sam Odom
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 10-30-05
                                                                • 58063

                                                                #591
                                                                10670

                                                                Up 4% last 30 days
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                                                                • Sam Odom
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-30-05
                                                                  • 58063

                                                                  #592
                                                                  11070

                                                                  Up 8.3% last 30 days
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                                                                  • Arky
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-09-11
                                                                    • 1095

                                                                    #593
                                                                    Originally posted by BeatTheJerk
                                                                    You’re fuckin’ crazy for doing that being that the stock market is so steady.
                                                                    The clock is ticking on the stock market. :-)

                                                                    -------------------------------------

                                                                    Bitcoin @ 11,383.82 @ 9:28pm CST
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                                                                    • BeatTheJerk
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 08-19-07
                                                                      • 31794

                                                                      #594
                                                                      Originally posted by Arky
                                                                      The clock is ticking on the stock market. :-)

                                                                      -------------------------------------

                                                                      Bitcoin @ 11,383.82 @ 9:28pm CST
                                                                      Nice climb for you today sir, I really hope it’s sustainable for people like you who HODL.
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                                                                      • billax
                                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                                        • 10-08-20
                                                                        • 60

                                                                        #595
                                                                        hello guys

                                                                        anyone that could explain me how bitcoin works? please
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