I reported a bad line to 5Dimes they had posted earlier this morning.......

[MiDNiTe]

Yeah, Australian books pretty much always pay out on errors. But they do not have to, they can cancel errors under their NT licenses.

But they will limit you to peanuts afterward a lot of the time too.

Yeah that's why I just pretty much only bet tab these days their odds will be nearly always shitter and their live betting is terrible but u can pretty much bet as much as u want, collect anytime u want as u can collect at pokies after hrs until 5am these days ( if u bet big sometimes u have to bet lots of 1500 - 2k on smaller events but haven't seen odds change) and they can't really limit u if your not signed up

[milwaukee mike]

nobody is really gonna give out free plays for bad lines any more... if you look hard enough you could find at least a couple bad lines at 5dimes every day, so they would be essentially paying you for a daily scavenger hunt

[Stumpage]

nobody is really gonna give out free plays for bad lines any more... if you look hard enough you could find at least a couple bad lines at 5dimes every day, so they would be essentially paying you for a daily scavenger hunt

Very true...Greek especially was notorious for a few a day. Used to let them know until one time the guy on the other end of the line was completely adamant that the line was correct; To the point of giving me attitude. Was an 18 point college football underdog (Can't recall the team) who were a 4 1/2 point favorite for the first quarter. Basically told me to play it and stop bothering the Greek; Seriously...So I did and cleaned up.

There was a lot more to it after that, but basically Scotty at the Greek let me keep me the winnings after contacting me post game (And hinting that some employee at his company was "in for a change")

[SnakesPicks]

Okay, well in my experience (this happened over Thanksgiving) the Borgata left the FSU vs Tennessee line up as the original line (FSU -2 I believe) for the first 10 mins of the game when it was truest 12-2 FSU. I unloaded on FSU and bet Tennessee live on another book. They didn’t pay me until I called later that night but they paid me out everything
It’s the books problem

Jesus dude, a brick and mortar book isn't anything like an offshore book.

[deeppckts]

They do it on purpose to take shots. You're not helping them by pointing it out to them.

[WvGambler]

Bad lines is such a bullshit concept and should be a red flag that its a shit book. If they post a line, it should be honored.

[RudyRuetigger]

Bad lines is such a bullshit concept and should be a red flag that its a shit book. If they post a line, it should be honored.

i covered this for many years as the players advocate

[deeppckts]

i covered this for many years as the players advocate

What did you do exactly?

[RudyRuetigger]

What did you do exactly?

MODS

are you going to handle this or what?

[SnakesPicks]

What did you do exactly?

Got drunk and blew his own horn.

[Roscoe_Word]

IMHO, and this is naivety, a book should back the odds they list.

I haven't yet heard of a USA book free rollin or not honoring a deviant line yet.

Could be wrong.

[deeppckts]

Offshore books can do what they want. The posted rules don't mean much since there is nowhere to take them to court. They should be allowed to cancel obvious errors like a total of 20 instead of 200. Some books take advantage. Greek used to cancel my NBA 2H bets all the time when they would open 100 and I'd hit them on the over, then Bookmaker/BOL would open 103.

At the end of the day, all a book has is its reputation and 5D has a well known reputation for taking shots at bettors who hit obvious as well as not-so-obvious line errors.

[RudyRuetigger]

Got drunk and blew his own horn.

this guy loves me now

hes so mad that he cashed out $1200 for free

now attacking others because he isnt a pro

sad

[ace7550]

So 5D takes shots with bad lines and they free roll their customers on bitcoin deposits. A+ book for sure

[Optional]

Offshore books can do what they want. The posted rules don't mean much since there is nowhere to take them to court. They should be allowed to cancel obvious errors like a total of 20 instead of 200. Some books take advantage. Greek used to cancel my NBA 2H bets all the time when they would open 100 and I'd hit them on the over, then Bookmaker/BOL would open 103.

At the end of the day, all a book has is its reputation and 5D has a well known reputation for taking shots at bettors who hit obvious as well as not-so-obvious line errors.

So 5D takes shots with bad lines and they free roll their customers on bitcoin deposits. A+ book for sure

Can either of you explain the math or logic of how it advantages a sportsbook to intentionally post bad lines?

Unless you think they make make money tricking people into betting the losing side with wrong odds on purpose, It seems to me that errors can only be a negative for the book.

Claiming the book is "taking shots", in the words of you two, requires them gaining some profit from the plan surely? Where do you see the profits coming from here?

[ArunSh]

Can either of you explain the math or logic of how it advantages a sportsbook to intentionally post bad lines?

Unless you think they make make money tricking people into betting the losing side with wrong odds on purpose, It seems to me that errors can only be a negative for the book.

Claiming the book is "taking shots", in the words of you two, requires them gaining some profit from the plan surely? Where do you see the profits coming from here?

Well in theory a book COULD do this no? That is, post bad lines hoping people bet the "good" side of these bad lines (even if people bet the "bad" side, surely way more people will bet the good side). Then, if the good side wins, they can cancel all the bets saying it was an obvious bad line. Whereas if the bad side wins, they can let the bets stand (since they will of course have taken more action on the good side), or they can still say it was a bad line but confiscate the wagers of those who bet the good side, claiming that those bettors were taking a shot at them.

Does this happen with books? Surely it probably has with some less than ethical books.

Do I think this is what is happening with 5 Dimes? Absolutely not. Again, even if in theory an unethical book could do this, to think 5 Dimes is doing this seems pretty ridiculous for many reasons - mainly because the amount of $ such a "scam" would bring in would be pretty minor compared to their general bottom line. And especially also considering the damage their reputation would take as if every time they pulled off such a "stunt", you better believe people would be howling to the moon about it. And their generally good reputation would not stay good for very long.

I do think 5 Dimes needs to become better at not putting up as many bad lines as they seem to - many bettors simply bet what they think is a "good" bet without researching it, and if it happens to be good because it was actually a bad line, well that could be completely innocent, particularly if it's a bet on an obscure market. And while mistakes do happen, the number of threads I seem to see on SBR complaining about this seems a bit too high - something which surely they ought to be able to improve if they make the necessary changes.

[ArunSh]

I really do wonder though about people who claim that a well known book is pulling off a "scam" like this, intentionally putting up bad lines, in order to profit - do they really believe that? Or is it more out of bitterness perhaps from having lost $ at that book or maybe some less than great experience they've had with the book (perhaps a chat in the old days with Tony, may he RIP).

I find it hard to believe that many people really think that to be true, probably just some anger over some other issue causing them to lash out. That said, when I see people (and there have been several) claiming that SBR poker is rigged in this or that way, I kind of have the same reaction "my god do they really believe such nonsense". So I guess not everyone sees things the same way!

[Plaza23]

Tony banned me from there for taking shots. I wonder if whoever is running it now will simply honor the line put out. That’s what they should do. I wouldn’t give anything to players that spot advantages, other to honor their bets if they beat the lines makers

[ace7550]

Well in theory a book COULD do this no? That is, post bad lines hoping people bet the "good" side of these bad lines (even if people bet the "bad" side, surely way more people will bet the good side). Then, if the good side wins, they can cancel all the bets saying it was an obvious bad line. Whereas if the bad side wins, they can let the bets stand (since they will of course have taken more action on the good side), or they can still say it was a bad line but confiscate the wagers of those who bet the good side, claiming that those bettors were taking a shot at them.

Does this happen with books? Surely it probably has with some less than ethical books.

Do I think this is what is happening with 5 Dimes? Absolutely not. Again, even if in theory an unethical book could do this, to think 5 Dimes is doing this seems pretty ridiculous for many reasons - mainly because the amount of $ such a "scam" would bring in would be pretty minor compared to their general bottom line. And especially also considering the damage their reputation would take as if every time they pulled off such a "stunt", you better believe people would be howling to the moon about it. And their generally good reputation would not stay good for very long.

I do think 5 Dimes needs to become better at not putting up as many bad lines as they seem to - many bettors simply bet what they think is a "good" bet without researching it, and if it happens to be good because it was actually a bad line, well that could be completely innocent, particularly if it's a bet on an obscure market. And while mistakes do happen, the number of threads I seem to see on SBR complaining about this seems a bit too high - something which surely they ought to be able to improve if they make the necessary changes.

Agree with everything you said. I don't know if they are taking shots or they are incompetent or their software just sucks. I don't see this complaint about other books very often though. Speaking of ethics, do you think it's ethical for 5D to be freerolling their BTC depositors?

[ArunSh]

Agree with everything you said. I don't know if they are taking shots or they are incompetent or their software just sucks. I don't see this complaint about other books very often though. Speaking of ethics, do you think it's ethical for 5D to be freerolling their BTC depositors?

I don't have any first hand information about that so can't really comment on that particular issue.

[deeppckts]

Can either of you explain the math or logic of how it advantages a sportsbook to intentionally post bad lines?

Unless you think they make make money tricking people into betting the losing side with wrong odds on purpose, It seems to me that errors can only be a negative for the book.

Claiming the book is "taking shots", in the words of you two, requires them gaining some profit from the plan surely? Where do you see the profits coming from here?

If they set a total of 20 instead of 200 on an NBA game, then it doesn't benefit them since it'll never go under. But for marginal line "errors" like where they put the favorite as +2 when they meant -2, they profit by taking a shot at anyone jumping on the +2. Let's say 40% of the time the favorite doesn't even cover +2 and then they 'honor' those bets and keep the winnings. If the favorite covers the +2, then they find all those wagers and cancel them citing line error.

I don't think they do that this often intentionally, but they're in no hurry to correct them. And if their opener is not an error but just sucks, they can not only cover their mistake this way but even profit by the above scheme: imagine if they thought the 'favorite' really should have been +2, so that it was not a mistake, but then everyone else opens -2. Oops, "error".

[deeppckts]

5D are masters at taking shots. On 'errors' and on BTC deposits. Take the upside but never a downside.

[BigJay]

I got banned there for life for questioning tony about Something. Wasn’t a shot take or anything. I literally think it was about a bet I felt was misgraded but honestly can’t remember for certain.

Still, even 15 years later because of the notes he put in about our little argument and with him gone, they won’t let me open my account back up.

Strange book that seems to be getting worse and worse.

[Plaza23]

If they set a total of 20 instead of 200 on an NBA game, then it doesn't benefit them since it'll never go under. But for marginal line "errors" like where they put the favorite as +2 when they meant -2, they profit by taking a shot at anyone jumping on the +2. Let's say 40% of the time the favorite doesn't even cover +2 and then they 'honor' those bets and keep the winnings. If the favorite covers the +2, then they find all those wagers and cancel them citing line error.

I don't think they do that this often intentionally, but they're in no hurry to correct them. And if their opener is not an error but just sucks, they can not only cover their mistake this way but even profit by the above scheme: imagine if they thought the 'favorite' really should have been +2, so that it was not a mistake, but then everyone else opens -2. Oops, "error".

Most of their line errors would be live betting, where a line is posted for 20 seconds during a commercial break. Sometimes the line wouldn't have updated from the prior break, and you could for instance bet on Indiana at -300 (instead of -700). This happened to me once where they posted a wrong line in the 1st half. I jumped on it. Then they didn't cancel my bet till an hour later in the 2nd half when it was clear Indiana was going to win. You think they cancelled all the losers that bet the other side of the wrong line? Hell no