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  • Tanko
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-19-09
    • 5143

    #106
    Thanks Banker... Good insight on La Tech.
    Appreciate the information.
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    • 2daBank
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 01-26-09
      • 88966

      #107
      Originally posted by Capybara
      Good job, Banker. I was so tempted to do the exact same thing with that ML, but I pussied out. As everyone knew, it was either a La Tech win or easy Miami cover. Naturally Canes don’t bother at all and you got the sweet W.

      I wanna play Pitt, but since I missed my winner I’m afraid I’ll now get on a loser. Lol.
      Thanks bud., not exactly the way I expected it to go but I’ll take it. Seemed pretty straight forward, all canes players sitting usually a pretty big tell and like I said didn’t no kids go to Miami for the chance to play la tech in some shit lawn chair bowl, lol. Getting more than 2 to 1 when I didn’t think there was even a 50% chance Miami was gonna show up seemed like the way to go. More than one time when la tech wasn’t scoring shit I was thinking it might burn me and being greedy would backfire.

      The bitch of it is I did that teaser for “insurance” and I cash the tech ml but gonna lose the teaser cause of Pitt. I was little afraid Pitt wouldn’t be motivated but didn’t think emu would be able to score against that front 7.,, honestly I leaned under initially but the more I capped it the more I backed off. Hopefully Pitt can manage to win this by a td! Lol
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      • 2daBank
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-26-09
        • 88966

        #108
        Originally posted by Tanko
        Thanks Banker... Good insight on La Tech.
        Appreciate the information.
        No problem brother. Glad I didn’t steer you wrong. Lol. Who you end up taking for the pick 6?
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        • Capybara
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-17-08
          • 11803

          #109
          Interesting game... what do you boys think about 2h here? I'm all over the place with it... debating maybe EMU TT over 10, or even EMU +7... or maybe over 27?

          Prob should just keep watching, haha.
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          • 2daBank
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 01-26-09
            • 88966

            #110
            Originally posted by Capybara
            Interesting game... what do you boys think about 2h here? I'm all over the place with it... debating maybe EMU TT over 10, or even EMU +7... or maybe over 27?

            Prob should just keep watching, haha.
            I’m over at a friends and we ain’t been watching so I can’t really say. I still feel like pit front 7 should be dominating this game but that obviously hasn’t been the case. Lol., just gonna hold out hope I can cash the teaser with panthers-6.5
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            • Capybara
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 08-17-08
              • 11803

              #111
              Originally posted by 2daBank
              I’m over at a friends and we ain’t been watching so I can’t really say. I still feel like pit front 7 should be dominating this game but that obviously hasn’t been the case. Lol., just gonna hold out hope I can cash the teaser with panthers-6.5
              I did a live EMU +4.5 actually. Pitt may win, but I'm seeing a really plucky Eagles team... their o-line are playing sound and holding off that tough defensive front. Now they may tire and fold and you may cash your teaser... but I feel like it's 50-50 right now who even wins this game, so I liked grabbing some points. Hope at least one of us hits, lol.
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              • 2daBank
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 01-26-09
                • 88966

                #112
                Originally posted by Capybara
                I did a live EMU +4.5 actually. Pitt may win, but I'm seeing a really plucky Eagles team... their o-line are playing sound and holding off that tough defensive front. Now they may tire and fold and you may cash your teaser... but I feel like it's 50-50 right now who even wins this game, so I liked grabbing some points. Hope at least one of us hits, lol.
                Looks like the defense showed up in second but panthers remembered how bad they suck at offense. Lol. Almost glad they only got 3 off that pick. Still leaves the slight possibility they win by 7. Lol
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                • 2daBank
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 01-26-09
                  • 88966

                  #113
                  Originally posted by 2daBank
                  Looks like the defense showed up in second but panthers remembered how bad they suck at offense. Lol. Almost glad they only got 3 off that pick. Still leaves the slight possibility they win by 7. Lol
                  Well so much for that. Unreal how easily it appears emu moving it., at least you should cash capy. La tech pretty much made my day, just a bummer I gave some back thinking it was “insurance”, lol.
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388179

                    #114
                    You guys are funny the last hundred years underdogs in bowl games are very very strong, the long Layoffs and neutral locations take any handicapping of the Equation.
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                    • 2daBank
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 01-26-09
                      • 88966

                      #115
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      You guys are funny the last hundred years underdogs in bowl games are very very strong, the long Layoffs and neutral locations take any handicapping of the Equation.
                      Show me numbers where blindly betting dogs in every bowl is profitable the last 20 years then we can talk. Until then you just spewing nonsense and I’ll continue playing them on case by case basis. I think early in bowl season they tend to do well but overall no different than flipping a coin.

                      I love unc -4.5 2marro, think it -6 now but whatever. You blindly playing temple?

                      Let’s clear this up, so your card 2marro is temple, wake, okie state, usc (like usc a lot), and wazzu? That what you saying? You on every dog? So far you might be 1 or 2 Games over .500. Care to bet whether dogs finish bowl season above 52%?
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                      • Art Vandelay
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-11-06
                        • 6693

                        #116
                        Originally posted by 2daBank
                        I honestly think la tech wins if canes don’t show up ready., the fact they close to home def helps. Teams playing close to home in bowl games is a historically good angle. Kinda surprises me but I guess you less likely to have kids treating it like a vacation if they from the area.,
                        Nice call on the ML Banks! Canes with their typical bowl game no-show - They've now lost 9 of 10 and probably had more talent in each one. Should have ML'd it but did some damage taking the TD!
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                        • 2daBank
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-26-09
                          • 88966

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Art Vandelay
                          Nice call on the ML Banks! Canes with their typical bowl game no-show - They've now lost 9 of 10 and probably had more talent in each one. Should have ML'd it but did some damage taking the TD!
                          The fact they didn’t score a point on la tech is insane. I’ll take it tho. Wasn’t hard to imagine them no showing since they have done it multiple times this year already.
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                          • cincinnatikid513
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 11-23-17
                            • 45360

                            #118
                            dogs are crushing it whats record so far dogs ats
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                            • 2daBank
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-26-09
                              • 88966

                              #119
                              Friday.

                              Unc -4.5 ., this was one I played early and has just went up recently but I don’t think a big difference between -4.5 and -6,, anything less than -7 good imo. Temple strength is the pass rush but heels young qb has faced some very good pass rushes and put up big numbers vs them. Look at the teams owls achieved their passing defensive numbers against. The few good passing attacks they have seen (smu and memphis) torched them for 360 and over 450!!

                              The freshman Howell a star in the making and now has 15 more practices under his belt. I think he lights up this owls d and just don’t think their pedestrian offense can keep up. Mac brown has a good bowl history and he has this unc team heading in right direction, think they excited to be here and will handle business vs a temple team who really isn’t all that special.
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                              • 2daBank
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 01-26-09
                                • 88966

                                #120
                                Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                                dogs are crushing it whats record so far dogs ats
                                They were only a game or 2 up (depending if you say there was a real dog in fiu/ark st) before yesterday. Dunno any past numbers but think jj full of shit acting like blindly betting Bowl dogs is some magic formula. By end of this bowl season my guess it be within a few games of 50-50 either way.

                                There a handful of dogs I like going forward. Think I have more favs tho. Only dog I like 2marro is usc. Not much opinion on the am/okie lite game or sparty/wake (far as side, think I like the over 50)..
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                                • 2daBank
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 01-26-09
                                  • 88966

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by 2daBank
                                  Friday.

                                  Unc -4.5 ., Temple strength is the pass rush but heels young qb has faced some very good pass rushes and put up big numbers vs them. Look at the teams owls achieved their passing defensive numbers against. The few good passing attacks they have seen (smu and memphis) torched them for 360 and over 450!!

                                  The freshman Howell a star in the making and now has 15 more practices under his belt. I think he lights up this owls d and just don’t think their pedestrian offense can keep up. Mac brown has a good bowl history and he has this unc team heading in right direction, think they excited to be here and will handle business vs a temple team who really isn’t all that special.
                                  Usc ml +120., I think Trojans the better team here. They have skill position guys and a passing game iowa rarely sees the likes of in the big 10. Only 2 teams you could argue Iowa faced with comparable passing games were minny and Purdue and while they won both those games at home both teams threw for well over 300 yards on them. I think a case can be made the Trojans qb and wrs are more talented than those squads.

                                  I don’t know if it was wise for usc to retain Helton long term but I do think these kids love him and will play their asses off for him in this game after all the bad press he getting since being extended.

                                  Iowa a tough out in bowls but getting plus money with the talent Trojans have in that passing game too good to pass up imo.
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #122
                                    This does not prove my theory but a little tidbit

                                    Banker best of luck today

                                    In bowl games, betting against ranked teams has gone 178-168-3 (51.4%) against the spread (ATS) since 2005 according to
                                    It has been more profitable to fade ranked team when they face an unranked opponent: 52-42-1 (55.3%) ATS.
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                                    • 2daBank
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 01-26-09
                                      • 88966

                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                      This does not prove my theory but a little tidbit

                                      Banker best of luck today

                                      In bowl games, betting against ranked teams has gone 178-168-3 (51.4%) against the spread (ATS) since 2005 according to
                                      It has been more profitable to fade ranked team when they face an unranked opponent: 52-42-1 (55.3%) ATS.
                                      Thus far there only been 2 ranked teams who have played , one of them was laying 17 and didn’t cover. The other was a dog and got waxed. Dunno how this holds up anymore but used to be a good angle to take the unranked favorite, this year there only 2 such meetings, Washington whipped ranked Boise st as 3.5 point favs and today we have unranked Texas a&m laying 6 to ranked okie state. So would you play the dog in those? Or the unranked fav which widely considered to be good plays ?? (Obviously im asking cause of your dog theory contradicting with the unranked vs ranked numbers. I believe the unranked fav a stronger angle than blindly taking dogs would you agree?)


                                      After that there only 4 more games w a ranked vs unranked. All 4 of those the ranked team is the favorite so you will have 5 games total with the chance to bet against the ranked team and also on the dog., Iowa st, Kansas st, Texas, Boston college the 4 left who dogs to ranked teams. So far you be 1-0 with uab staying inside 17 vs app st.

                                      I hate BC, I think cincy rolls them, I already laid the -7., also like navy -2.5 against k-st., definitely lean Texas and could prob be talking into Iowa state.

                                      Gl to you as well coach. I like this version of you making post worthy of discussion!!
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                                      • Capybara
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 08-17-08
                                        • 11803

                                        #124
                                        Banker, in total agreement with you on Heels and Trojans. Only reason I haven’t placed both of those is that I like to see what happens with late line movement, and other little things that reveal to me where the sharp money may be hitting. But pure eyes-capping-wise, it’s UNC and USC.
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                                        • swordsandtequila
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 02-23-12
                                          • 9760

                                          #125
                                          Numbers alone, I have UNC/Temple and Air Force/Wash St closer to a pk, with Okie St/Tex A&M line pretty tight.

                                          Teased UNC/Wash St/Okie St

                                          Okie St/A&M over 53.5

                                          Taking a shot, all +money

                                          USC ml
                                          Okie St ml
                                          Wash St ml

                                          Good luck all
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                                          • 2daBank
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 01-26-09
                                            • 88966

                                            #126
                                            Originally posted by 2daBank


                                            Friday.

                                            Unc -4.5 ., Temple strength is the pass rush but heels young qb has faced some very good pass rushes and put up big numbers vs them. Look at the teams owls achieved their passing defensive numbers against. The few good passing attacks they have seen (smu and memphis) torched them for 360 and over 450!!

                                            The freshman Howell a star in the making and now has 15 more practices under his belt. I think he lights up this owls d and just don’t think their pedestrian offense can keep up. Mac brown has a good bowl history and he has this unc team heading in right direction, think they excited to be here and will handle business vs a temple team who really isn’t all that special.

                                            Usc ml +120., I think Trojans the better team here. They have skill position guys and a passing game iowa rarely sees the likes of in the big 10. Only 2 teams you could argue Iowa faced with comparable passing games were minny and Purdue and while they won both those games at home both teams threw for well over 300 yards on them. I think a case can be made the Trojans qb and wrs are more talented than those squads.

                                            I don’t know if it was wise for usc to retain Helton long term but I do think these kids love him and will play their asses off for him in this game after all the bad press he getting since being extended.

                                            Iowa a tough out in bowls but getting plus money with the talent Trojans have in that passing game too good to pass up imo.
                                            Sparty/wake over 50.,

                                            50 for a wake game feel like have to play the over. Sparty should be able to hang a pretty decent number here (30-35), think wake will be able to get us at least 20 as Clemson was only team to hold them under that. Sparty defense not nearly as formidable as years past and wake tempo will be something they not accustomed to.
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                                            • 2daBank
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 01-26-09
                                              • 88966

                                              #127
                                              Originally posted by swordsandtequila
                                              Numbers alone, I have UNC/Temple and Air Force/Wash St closer to a pk, with Okie St/Tex A&M line pretty tight.

                                              Teased UNC/Wash St/Okie St

                                              Okie St/A&M over 53.5

                                              Taking a shot, all +money

                                              USC ml
                                              Okie St ml
                                              Wash St ml

                                              Good luck all
                                              Where did we rate unc in contest? 2x or 3x? This was prob easiest one!’ We finally gonna be on the board!! Lol. Then we have usc way up there later correct? So after today 3 plays off our card and still 12 to go??
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                                              • 2daBank
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 01-26-09
                                                • 88966

                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by Capybara
                                                Banker, in total agreement with you on Heels and Trojans. Only reason I haven’t placed both of those is that I like to see what happens with late line movement, and other little things that reveal to me where the sharp money may be hitting. But pure eyes-capping-wise, it’s UNC and USC.
                                                I interpret line movement about as well I read German. I just cap them, bet them, and hope for the best. Big enough pain in the butt trying to incorporate motivational angles for these bowls. Last thing I need is to examine line moves while watching ppl post “play of the year” and “locks” on side I like freaking me out even more. Lol.,

                                                Did late line lead you to unc? This one those crazy rare ones that actually as easy I thought it be!! Lol
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                                                • swordsandtequila
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 02-23-12
                                                  • 9760

                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                  Where did we rate unc in contest? 2x or 3x? This was prob easiest one!’ We finally gonna be on the board!! Lol. Then we have usc way up there later correct? So after today 3 plays off our card and still 12 to go??
                                                  UNC is a 2x, USC 3x. BYU loss was only a 1x but still pisses me off Here's a link to our picks:



                                                  Heels are looking good, now I wish I would have played them straight up but as a fan hard for me to be objective with them. Good call there.

                                                  Aaaaaaaaand no sooner than typing that Carolina with a pick 6! Fuk, now I wish I would have sold points

                                                  Unless something crazy happens we are indeed on the board! USC can add the cherry on top
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                                                  • 2daBank
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 01-26-09
                                                    • 88966

                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by swordsandtequila
                                                    UNC is a 2x, USC 3x. BYU loss was only a 1x but still pisses me off Here's a link to our picks:


                                                    Heels are looking good, now I wish I would have played them straight up but as a fan hard for me to be objective with them. Good call there.

                                                    Aaaaaaaaand no sooner than typing that Carolina with a pick 6! Fuk, now I wish I would have sold points

                                                    Unless something crazy happens we are indeed on the board! USC can add the cherry on top
                                                    If only BYU understood how the clock thing works. Oh well. A 1x miss not gonna kill us. Nobody gonna hit all 15 plays!!

                                                    Dunno how the hell we like usc more? I bet more on unc! Lol.
                                                    That usc game scares the shit out of me!! Hope we right, lol.
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                                                    • swordsandtequila
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 02-23-12
                                                      • 9760

                                                      #131
                                                      Seen a few others on Wake/St over, might as well jump on board
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                                                      • 2daBank
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 01-26-09
                                                        • 88966

                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by swordsandtequila
                                                        Seen a few others on Wake/St over, might as well jump on board
                                                        It not my favorite total by any stretch but 50 for a wake game isn’t shit. I don’t see a whole lot of reason why sparty wouldn’t just have some fun and let wake style win out? Pretty confident sparty should be able to score plenty on them.
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                                                        • swordsandtequila
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 02-23-12
                                                          • 9760

                                                          #133
                                                          Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                          If only BYU understood how the clock thing works. Oh well. A 1x miss not gonna kill us. Nobody gonna hit all 15 plays!!

                                                          Dunno how the hell we like usc more? I bet more on unc! Lol.
                                                          That usc game scares the shit out of me!! Hope we right, lol.
                                                          I just feel USC has a big advantage in the passing game. Big athletic receivers, don't think Iowa has the speed to keep them under wraps. Think the kids will play hard for Helton too. Speed on both sides of the ball favors USC imo. Think positive!
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                                                          • Capybara
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 08-17-08
                                                            • 11803

                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                            I interpret line movement about as well I read German. I just cap them, bet them, and hope for the best. Big enough pain in the butt trying to incorporate motivational angles for these bowls. Last thing I need is to examine line moves while watching ppl post “play of the year” and “locks” on side I like freaking me out even more. Lol.,

                                                            Did late line lead you to unc? This one those crazy rare ones that actually as easy I thought it be!! Lol
                                                            Yeah, looking like we picked the right side here, let's cash these and keep on cashing!

                                                            No, the late movement here showed me sharps pushing against each other, groups laying 5.5, groups taking 6.5... basically useless, so in the knick of time I just went with my initial gut that Temple was not going to be able to hang with Howell and the air attack. Like you said, it's a lot of fun when we're right!
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                                                            • swordsandtequila
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 02-23-12
                                                              • 9760

                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                              It not my favorite total by any stretch but 50 for a wake game isn’t shit. I don’t see a whole lot of reason why sparty wouldn’t just have some fun and let wake style win out? Pretty confident sparty should be able to score plenty on them.
                                                              Initially didn't even look at the total, sparty doesn't inspire confidence when it comes to offense. But neither does Wake's defense, and I doubt we get another shutout. Miami, wtf
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                                                              • hubie69
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-16-10
                                                                • 7329

                                                                #136
                                                                Banker who you got in the Air Force game tonight? I'm leaning Air Force
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                                                                • 2daBank
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 01-26-09
                                                                  • 88966

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by swordsandtequila
                                                                  I just feel USC has a big advantage in the passing game. Big athletic receivers, don't think Iowa has the speed to keep them under wraps. Think the kids will play hard for Helton too. Speed on both sides of the ball favors USC imo. Think positive!
                                                                  I agree w all that, especially Trojans passing game prob being best option on either side. Long as they can protect that kid and he don’t throw picks I dunno why they wouldn’t score? Minny and Purdue both threw for 300+ at Iowa. Guess my issue is track record and I’m not real sure on Iowa offensive output? Ultimately I know I liked it when I capped it and now just noise bothering me. lol
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                                                                  • 2daBank
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 01-26-09
                                                                    • 88966

                                                                    #138
                                                                    Originally posted by hubie69
                                                                    Banker who you got in the Air Force game tonight? I'm leaning Air Force
                                                                    Same but just small. I felt stronger bout unc and usc.,

                                                                    Ultimately don’t think there be many stops on either side. Trust option little more than air raid and don’t think wazzu has the fortitude it takes to defend the option. Service academies been strong in bowls recently, think AF dictates tempo and they have faced some wide open passing attacks at least where as wazzu has no reference points for this AF attack.
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                                                                    • pablo222
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 01-03-19
                                                                      • 8858

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                                      Friday.

                                                                      Unc -4.5 ., this was one I played early and has just went up recently but I don’t think a big difference between -4.5 and -6,, anything less than -7 good imo. Temple strength is the pass rush but heels young qb has faced some very good pass rushes and put up big numbers vs them. Look at the teams owls achieved their passing defensive numbers against. The few good passing attacks they have seen (smu and memphis) torched them for 360 and over 450!!

                                                                      The freshman Howell a star in the making and now has 15 more practices under his belt. I think he lights up this owls d and just don’t think their pedestrian offense can keep up. Mac brown has a good bowl history and he has this unc team heading in right direction, think they excited to be here and will handle business vs a temple team who really isn’t all that special.
                                                                      Good call Banker. I tailed you here. Makes having the stomach bug a little more tolerable.
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                                                                      • hubie69
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 09-16-10
                                                                        • 7329

                                                                        #140
                                                                        Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                                        Same but just small. I felt stronger bout unc and usc.,

                                                                        Ultimately don’t think there be many stops on either side. Trust option little more than air raid and don’t think wazzu has the fortitude it takes to defend the option. Service academies been strong in bowls recently, think AF dictates tempo and they have faced some wide open passing attacks at least where as wazzu has no reference points for this AF attack.
                                                                        Wazzou is 79th vs the run, Air Force much better defensively against the pass. I agree AF dictates tempo and I think they get more stops. What bothers me is Wazzou has had the time to prep for the option.
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