Will Vick be on a roster by week 1 NFL reg season?

pavyracer · 08-01-09, 11:08 PM

No one wants him. He will never play again.

paco · 08-01-09, 11:13 PM

He will be 2011 nfl mvp

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:15 PM

Rumor here in Stlouis we may sign him to back up Bulger.

The General · 08-01-09, 11:29 PM

I seen the Colts may be interested in Vick.

The General · 08-01-09, 11:30 PM

Vick will play in the NFL again, Pavy. I really believe that strongly and would lay big money if I had it.

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by The General

Vick will play in the NFL again, Pavy. I really believe that strongly and would lay big money if I had it.

If not this year, for sure next year. He might play in that new league that starts in October for the team Haslett coaches.

pavyracer · 08-01-09, 11:32 PM

He is a 30 year old black QB who was a mediocre passer at his prime. Now that he lost his speed his weaknesses will be exploited.

smitch124 · 08-01-09, 11:33 PM

I think he'll be in the NFL again, but I think people remember him as a better QB than he ultimately was.

The General · 08-01-09, 11:34 PM

Reckon he may play a RB or WR slot with his talent? Also he is pretty healthy.

pimike · 08-01-09, 11:34 PM

I say no.

Ask yourself if you were an owner of a team would you hire him?

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by smitch124

I think he'll be in the NFL again, but I think people remember him as a better QB than he ultimately was.

They always have.

stats13 · 08-01-09, 11:34 PM

pavy, i love that "black" has any relevance to you

but seriously, vick even now is still probably "better" than half the scrubs in backup and emergency and reserve roles

pimike · 08-01-09, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by stats13

pavy, i love that "black" has any relevance to you

but seriously, vick even now is still probably "better" than half the scrubs in backup and emergency and reserve roles

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by The General

Reckon he may play a RB or WR slot with his talent? Also he is pretty healthy.

They were talking about him and Jackson lining up in the same backfield at RB for the Rams.

pavyracer · 08-01-09, 11:36 PM

I can name 3 black QB's that were good in their 30's. Moon, Cunningham, McNair. Can you name another one?

pimike · 08-01-09, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I can name 3 black QB's that were good in their 30's. Moon, Cunningham, McNair. Can you name another one?

Gileman

I thnik he is dead the old steelers QB

The General · 08-01-09, 11:38 PM

I don't feel race has anything to do with it. When a team is in dire need, they will call upon Mr. Vick. Very few players in the world with NFL QB experience.

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by stats13

pavy, i love that "black" has any relevance to you

but seriously, vick even now is still probably "better" than half the scrubs in backup and emergency and reserve roles

Could you imagine him in a split backfield with say a Adrian Peterson. The things you could do as a OC

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I can name 3 black QB's that were good in their 30's. Moon, Cunningham, McNair. Can you name another one?

Williams

The General · 08-01-09, 11:40 PM

Good point, Richie.

pavyracer · 08-01-09, 11:40 PM

Black QB's can't process information as good as white ones. Why do you think Vince Young failed the wonderlic test?

stats13 · 08-01-09, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Black QB's can't process information as white ones. Why do you think Vince Young failed the wonderlic test?

wow

so are you saying white qbs on average are smarter than black qbs, or are you saying that every black qb is an idiot. cuz while both are prejudiced, i might be able to find reasoning with one of those statments, the other is blatantly false.

pimike · 08-01-09, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I can name 3 black QB's that were good in their 30's. Moon, Cunningham, McNair. Can you name another one?

Williams for the Redskins

Richkas · 08-01-09, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Richkas

Williams

McNabb

pavyracer · 08-01-09, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by stats13

wow

so are you saying white qbs on average are smarter than black qbs, or are you saying that every black qb is an idiot. cuz while both are prejudiced, i might be able to find reasoning with one of those statments, the other is blatantly false.

I'm saying once the speed is gone from a black QB and he has to make plays with his head their brain can't process information as fast as their legs go.

pimike · 08-01-09, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Richkas

McNabb

CaneDawg · 08-02-09, 03:30 PM

i say he is on a roster at some point this year and more than likely before week one

rm18 · 08-02-09, 03:36 PM

It is not about decision making Vick simply can't throw the ball accurately like those other guys could.

Flying Dutchman · 08-02-09, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I'm saying once the speed is gone from a black QB and he has to make plays with his head their brain can't process information as fast as their legs go.

This is the old Pavy-the-hater I remember!

Go Pavy!

MrMonkey · 08-02-09, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I'm saying once the speed is gone from a black QB and he has to make plays with his head their brain can't process information as fast as their legs go.

What Pavy is trying to say I think can be compared to the differences in the speed of light and sound! In this case the brain is perfectly fine but the legs are so superior that the brain isn't fast enough to tell the legs to move in a different direction, therefore causing a non-productive play! Mr. Spock would be proud of Pavy and his logical thinking!

CaneDawg · 08-02-09, 03:43 PM

the real issue is the current (or lack of) starting qb's in the league

he is still as good as half the current starters in the league

pavyracer · 08-02-09, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by rm18

It is not about decision making Vick simply can't throw the ball accurately like those other guys could.

This is a good point but brain processing is also slower. By the time his brain processing figures out the play the pass is already too late and not accurate. Look at Roddy White and Michael Jenkins of the Falcons. When Vick was throwing them the ball they were almost about to be cut by the Falcons for not catching balls. Once Ryan started throwing them the ball they became Pro Bowlers.

It's like having a Pentium processor with 4GB of RAM (white QB) and an Intel Core Duo processor with 1 GB of RAM (black QB). What would you rather have?

rm18 · 08-02-09, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

This is a good point but brain processing is also slower. By the time his brain processing figures out the play the pass is already too late and not accurate. Look at Roddy White and Michael Jenkins of the Falcons. When Vick was throwing them the ball they were almost about to be cut by the Falcons for not catching balls. Once Ryan started throwing them the ball they became Pro Bowlers.

It's like having a Pentium processor with 4GB of RAM (white QB) and an Intel Core Duo processor with 1 GB of RAM (black QB). What would you rather have?

White Qb's are definitely better decision makers but still a lot of variance. Vick had no accuracy and did not throw many picks, he probably is not that smart in general but neither is Marino and he got the ball out quicker than anyone.

Michael Vick won games in the NFL at a high % being athletic helped but there are other guys like Jerry Porter, Matt Jones, and Antwaan Randel El who can run 4.3 and throw the ball 70 yards or so. Vick is probably no more accurate than those guys he won in the league because of good decision making.

Doc JS · 08-02-09, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

He is a 30 year old black QB who was a mediocre passer at his prime.

Agreed. He had a 53% completion % in a league where low 60's is what you're shooting for.

Originally posted by pavyracer

Now that he lost his speed his weaknesses will be exploited.

Interesting point. I don't think there is any way to know how much of his speed he has or hasn't lost until he gets in football shape and runs a 40.

Now, I'll grant you that athletes, as a rule, don't get faster as they get older, but players lose their speed at different rates. I remember Darryl Green still running 4.3-4.4 after he'd been in the league for almost 20 years.

Now, if Vick hasn't lost (much) of his speed, then last two years that he's been in the slammer are two years he hasn't been taking hits from NFL lineman.

We've had this discussion before. There are clearly not 64 better QB's in the NFL than Vick. There just not. Now, are there 32 better QB's than Vick? Probably not. As an example, it's not at all clear that the Vikings with Jackson and Rosenfelds are better than Vick. In SF, is it clear that the three guys vying for the job (Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, and Damon Huard) are better than Vick? No.

So, bring him in on the cheap. Let him back up this year and run the Wildcat for you...