SBR and VIP are in bed together

[sammyb]

It has come to my attention recently that these two are in bed together and that no matter what this sportsbook does they will never get a downgrade from SBR
Please everyone stay away from this shaddy book and be very careful when useing SBR's grading system when deciding to put your money into a sportsbook because they have clearly shown that an A+ rating can be brought for a price, and once that price is paid then the A+ is theirs for life

[BadAzz]

Daer Sammyb. This has been discussed in several threads already. SBR ratings are a fine guideline. You will not get stiffed by A or B rated book, including VIP. Sure I agree that VIP does not deserve A+ and money is the most propable reason for the rating BUT according to my experience SBR will not promote a book that does not pay.

This is the bottom line. I do not agree with "be very careful when useing SBR's grading system". Just keep in mind, that it is a guideline only.

[kalmikrazy]

Been using VIP for a long ass time without any problems. Sorry if you had trouble with them. As long as I get a christmas basket every year I gotta use them.

[SBR_John]

I guess you could say we are in bed with every top book. When there is a problem at one of these books such as the marketing tactic used that upset Sammy we work to see that is changed. And it will be changed at VIP as we have said.

When an A+ book like Bet365 changes a confirmed bet from +4 to -4 as happened recently and refuses to correct this then that will cost a book their rating.

It is subjective and we do have an opinion and a rating on over 800 sportsbooks. We show up often at these books and know the management. At the end of the day you can think what you want and we respect your opinion. However, we know who the good guys and the bad guys are, where your money is safe and where it is not. Go by our ratings our ignore them, we respect your choice either way.

[sammyb]

it wasnt bad marketing it was

First: I went to deposit 1000 into them to recieve the 10% reload I recieved it and went to place a bet and I was only able to place a 200 dollar max I went to live help (which takes 5 minutes to answer which is quick for them)and ask why, they tell me its a lines manager decision
I am down allmost 2k at vip so this surprised me I then asked why I wasnt informed of the limit change when I was asking for my bonus and they told me that it wasnt companie policy to inform players
I then asked for my money back and was told that I would have to play through the 1000 before I could ask for a withdrawal
Then I found out that they dont do withdrawals on weekends (even sportingbet do withdrawals on weekends)

I have been waiting to hear a reaponse why this has happened as I sent you my details well over 3 weeks ago but I am still waiting

This is the behaviour of an A+ book

[jjgold]

I think SBR is going to downgrade VIP, lets wait and see.

[SBR_John]

Sammy we are actively working your complaint. At the same time we are working on over a dozen others from books who are trying to give haircuts to players.

These books are not operations where you contact the big guy in the back room smoking a cigar. We have to follow a procedure to have our cases heard which I think if you would stop and think about it you would understand. The 5Dimes case took over a month but we worked it every day.

You can vent here and are more than welcome to speculate on anything you like. Hopefully its not only good therapy but also modifys a policy at a book. VIP's current marketing and policies on bonuses are not in-step with their long track record. We promised to get to the bottom it and we will.

[Sam Odom]

"SBR and VIP are in bed together"

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[louis]

VIP recently went the extra mile

VIP had a dispute with someone who was a victim of a software error. However, the bettor did not check his pending bets.

VIP went the extra mile and credited this player, and they would not have done so if it was not for SBR's influence over them.

VIP deserves a good rating. They have never stiffed a player and they are financially sound.

[imgv94]

Hilarious thread title here..

[caracalla]

I don't like VIP, but I like much more SBR.
When SBR grade A+, your money are sure (even if everybodu can make a mistake...)

[Computer]

Excuse me, being in bed toghether does'nt necessary mean having sex.

[pags11]

I did notice that neither VIP or bet365 made Shrink's top 10 sportsbooks...I agree with him...

[tacomax]

I did notice that neither VIP or bet365 made Shrink's top 10 sportsbooks...I agree with him...

I did notice that The Shrink's forum is sponsored by (amongst others) BetUS, BetRoyal, SBG, SuperiorBook and USDbet. That's how highly I value his opinion.

[SBR_John]

VIP was on his list last year. A couple of years ago Skybook was his #1 book. Even if you do not agree with every one of our top 10 we will always try to be consistant.

[pags11]

tacomax,

eog has it's issue as any site does, but I respect the man's opinion and agreed with every single book in his top 10...say what you want about Ken, but he knows his shit...

[magnavox]

tacomax,

eog has it's issue as any site does, but I respect the man's opinion and agreed with every single book in his top 10...say what you want about Ken, but he knows his shit...

Good point. The key-word here is "his".

[pags11]

good to see magnavox and tacomax following eachother around again...has anyone seen these two in the same room together at the same time?...hmm?

[BuddyBear]

VIP is pretty decent....definitely worth having an account with.

[Yoshi]

The Shrink sux, but his top 10 looks decent.
Still I have zero respect for sellouts like him, he also is one arrogant bastard...

[pags11]

yoshi,

glad that you agree his top 10 looks alright...

[bigloser]

SBR and VIP are in bed together


The way the nine.com thread is going I am beginning to wonder

[jjgold]

I wonder if Johhny is good in bed?

Anyone know?

[Computer]

I wonder if Johhny is good in bed?

Anyone know?

I heard some rumours Johhny is A+ in bed.

[SBR_John]

Its fair game to be skeptical. Most of the complaints we handle are from players lured in by some web site that looked legit and they ended up at a BoS, BetUS or some other scambook.

With 830 sportsbooks rated and 830 opinions we would hope there would be some difference in opinions in the ratings or it could get a little boring around here.

After 7 years of evaluating sportsbooks and meeting nearly all the owners many times I think our ratings are accurate. But like I said, being skeptical is smart and we are happy to hear different opinions.

[BuddyBear]

Its fair game to be skeptical. Most of the complaints we handle are from players lured in by some web site that looked legit and they ended up at a BoS, BetUS or some other scambook.

With 830 sportsbooks rated and 830 opinions we would hope there would be some difference in opinions in the ratings or it could get a little boring around here.

After 7 years of evaluating sportsbooks and meeting nearly all the owners many times I think our ratings are accurate. But like I said, being skeptical is smart and we are happy to hear different opinions.

When I say things far less deragotory and offensive than this I am told I have conspiracy theories and filled with paranoia. When others say the same things and worse, they are encouraged to provide constructive criticism and insightful critiques on books and the sportsbook watchdog industry.

It's pretty obvious who the sportsbook watchdog industry people on here are trying to silence because of his strong and convincing arguments so that other posters don't get to hear his message

[SBR_John]

Your opinion and conspiracy theories are welcome too Buddy! Even the one that a player from 5Dimes with a $45k haircut would never be paid beacuase we were in bed with 5dimes. How'd that one turn out?

We have never deleted any VIP threads or any others that offer a different opinion on sponsors or ratings. As I said, its all fair game. The forum is for you guys to be heard.

[JoshW]

Not deleting threads is a huge deal IMO. My spirit has been broken at many forums where unpopular ideas were simply deleted so as not to have to even consider the issue. Also brings down the level of interesting discussion as posters are always walking on eggs trying to avoid saying the "wrong thing".

[Yoshi]

Sounds all pretty good, but you guys know your A rating for Nine is wrong. You wont admit it, but you sure as hell know it.

[SBR_John]

I think Nine is at A- and not A.

Its the same on the other side to yoshi. Take BetUs and Royal for example. They have had some serious issues, in my opinion anyway, and their rating has been held ad D and C-. No way these two books deserve a D and C-, both are in slow pay mode!

We try first to work with the books so that they can hold their rating. In the case of Bet365, who was recently cut from A+ to A, we concluded the problem was extreme and that mgmt did not have the honor to correct it.

Hopefully we are consistant and hopefully we can work with the books to improve the conditions for the players. Thats the goal.

[Yoshi]

Nope its A John.
Thats the same rating wsex had several months ago, the same rating DSI now has and its better than Canbet.

And this just cannot be right, the forums alone tell the truth here.
Usually praises for Canbet and DSI over the last 1-1.5 years, and frustrated customers at Nine.

[SBR_John]

They certainly shouldnt be an A. I will check on that.

Nine should be a B+/A- because they are completely owned, managed and operated by VIP. They should remain lower until they are fully intergrated. The same happened with Gameday.

[Yoshi]

They certainly shouldnt be an A. I will check on that.

Nine should be a B+/A- because they are completely owned, managed and operated by VIP. They should remain lower until they are fully intergrated. The same happened with Gameday.

Sounds good, that´s what i like most about SBR: it´s possible to discuss things here, without censorship and with good guys

[SBR_John]

On 11/30/06 Nine was upgraded from a B+ to an A- but was put in at an A. Because we can't change the archives we have(or will) lower them today. Hopefully no one starts a thread with SBR's "shocking" mistake.

[wrongturn]

VIP girls are pretty hot, so I would give them A+ rating too. Seriously, does Nine still cut player's online limit to 0 before finishing bonus rollover? That issue alone should prevent it to be an A book, IMO.