why the hell didnt the spurs foul?????

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  • The Kraken
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    • 12-25-11
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    #36
    Originally posted by 2daBank
    Anyone that thinks there point shaving or players gambling on this is boarder line retarded.

    Forget the fact as you saying it just dumb to think they would risk it for nothing close to what they bring home, just the idea they fix it to cover +6 makes no sense, way easier to ensure you lose by more than 6 so if they were in fact fixing it they would take the only outcome they can ensure which would be losing by more than the spread!!

    Anytime a outcome doesn’t go someone’s way around here we get the conspiracy nuts screaming about how this proves match fixing, common sense be damned!!
    Exactly!
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    • stackz125
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      • 01-03-16
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      #37
      Originally posted by Hngkng
      It's because Brandon Lang had Denver -6.5


      Thats funny
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      • 2daBank
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        • 01-26-09
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        #38
        Originally posted by Outsider626
        What risk? Nobody will ever find out. People already making up excuses for them that players didn't hear Pop scream to foul or they can't do basic math in their head.
        You realize that if they were in fact gonna fix a game for gambling purposes they would have bet nuggets -6 as the only outcome they could ensure without a doubt Is losing by more than the number.
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        • TheMoneyShot
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          #39
          Aldridge is dumber than rocks
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          • thomorino
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            #40
            There's no way of knowing if Denver would have covered if the Spurs fouled anyways, there was nearly 25 seconds on the clock.

            Favorites have been covering the whole playoffs and there is far more money on Warrior games than Spurs games.
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            • UntilTheNDofTimE
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              • 05-29-08
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              #41
              Originally posted by funnyb25
              Forget about the players not being able to hear Popovich tell them to foul. These guys been playing the game for 20 years, they should know the situation. You don't need the coach to tell you to do that. This is an every day occurrence where you foul, not some special circumstance where you need advisement from a coach 40 feet away. No explanation makes sense.
              This is the most fishy thing I've ever seen. Life long Spurs fan here. Next to ginobili, Mills is one of the most savvy high IQ players in the Spurs history when it comes to game management. He is constantly the one at the end of quarters to take foul to gives. Is normally the one giving fouls on fast breaks when they aren't in the penalty. He didn't have a brain fart here and I've never seen Aldridge or Gay ever make those kind of mental errors. Something here is very fishy. Never seen it before.
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              • 2daBank
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                • 01-26-09
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                #42
                Originally posted by thomorino
                The amount of money bet on a single NBA game is nothing compared to the NFL, it wouldn't be worth it to point shave and their would have been far easier ways to do it if they wanted to.
                Basically impossible for spurs players to ensure covering +6. Some ppl rather talk than give things they say any damn thought before they type it!!
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                • thomorino
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                  • 06-01-17
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by funnyb25

                  Don't care if it is a game 7 7,000 feet in the air, or a game 0 6 feet underground. Time and score awareness we learn when we are 5 years old paying to play the game, not in our 20's and 30's getting paid millions. Inexcusable.
                  Not that I care but obviously what happened was pathetic, I'm just saying that the end of a game 7 is very different than the end of most games,you have players with no energy on the floor .
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                  • 2daBank
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                    • 01-26-09
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE
                    This is the most fishy thing I've ever seen. Life long Spurs fan here. Next to ginobili, Mills is one of the most savvy high IQ players in the Spurs history when it comes to game management. He is constantly the one at the end of quarters to take foul to gives. Is normally the one giving fouls on fast breaks when they aren't in the penalty. He didn't have a brain fart here and I've never seen Aldridge or Gay ever make those kind of mental errors. Something here is very fishy. Never seen it before.
                    Altitude, long series, gassed from expending the energy to come back, knowing they were beat, giving up. Not fishy, I liken it to when a boxer gets punished w body shots for 7-8 rounds and he basically throws in the towel.
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                    • thomorino
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                      #45
                      Even if the Spurs start fouling the chances of Denver covering were below 50/50 at best if you had 6 or more.
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                      • UntilTheNDofTimE
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by 2daBank
                        Altitude, long series, gassed from expending the energy to come back, knowing they were beat, giving up. Not fishy, I liken it to when a boxer gets punished w body shots for 7-8 rounds and he basically throws in the towel.
                        Guess the Heat could of done that in game 6 of the 2013 finals...oh wait.

                        With Mills really no excuse. He's been in deep playoff runs and finals runs. Always one of the smartest players out there. That would of been his 6th foul so if he was mentally beat that's his way out. And the 6th foul is not an excuse. I've seen him intentionally give his 6th many times in clock scenarios.
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                        • asiagambler
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                          #47
                          Looks like Popovich gave up at the end too. He had one timeout left which he should have immediately used after DeRozan got the rebound.

                          4 pt deficit with about 4 seconds left and the ball. Odds aren't good obviously but not impossible.
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                          • 2daBank
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                            • 01-26-09
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE
                            Guess the Heat could of done that in game 6 of the 2013 finals...oh wait.

                            With Mills really no excuse. He's been in deep playoff runs and finals runs. Always one of the smartest players out there. That would of been his 6th foul so if he was mentally beat that's his way out. And the 6th foul is not an excuse. I've seen him intentionally give his 6th many times in clock scenarios.
                            Not sure what 2013 finals have to do w this? Looked to me like spurs threw in the towel, not many other explanations for it that make sense, unless ya wanna sound like one these idiots with the match fixing conspiracies? Which I don’t think you are.
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                            • slayer14
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                              #49
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                              • ThaTopMoron
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                                #50
                                why is everyone arguing? it's a given fact that some outcomes are manufactured at the very end after the winner has already been established when the losing team is close enough to impact a spread but too far behind to have a shot to win

                                fouling down 7+ with 12 seconds left... 1 ft missed, 1 made.. down 8, final shot is an unguarded 3 at end that goes swish.

                                they do it both ways, sometimes to get the favorite to cover, sometimes other way around

                                very obvious at times too... like the pacers celtics game when the pacers fouled with 3.6 left down 6 in a spread between 7 and 8 pts and then dribbled the clock out and fired a 3 a half second too late after the buzzer while the celtics were up 8 and still guarding to the final second

                                you guys all say the players wouldn't do it because they make a bunch of money but all you have to do is watch the endings

                                you just have to hope the end to games you bet will be left alone by the refs/players or that the manufactured ending gives your bet a chance to win when it should have no chance of winning!

                                hacking at the end of a game in the final 25 seconds or so when you are up say 10, get a couple free throws missed and you get the chance to hit a couple basically unguarded 3's and you can lose by only 4 to 5 points.
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                                • thecutter
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                                  • 02-28-14
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                                  #51
                                  Hold on, banker I understand your logic but I don’t think the consensus is players betting on games....I don’t know...as a bettor you can’t help but wonder...the foul could have made it 6 ..from there it goes either way, easy lay up to extend or a miss and a foul giving den the cover . that was a 12 pt game for 40+ mins . I just can’t accept or comprehend not fouling
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                                  • Art Vandelay
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                                    #52
                                    Spread aside, the Spurs have zero chance to win the game if they don't foul. If they do start the foul brigade at least they have an outside chance to win, slim as it was. Quitting makes no sense in a Game 7. At least make an effort to win - Brutal!
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                                    • MinnesotaFats
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                                      • 12-18-10
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                                      #53
                                      Did same GM 3 (or 4; whichever the 2nd loss was)....look at play by play

                                      Couldn't figure it out either
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                                      • shocka1212
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                                        • 10-06-12
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                                        #54
                                        because good teams win, but great teams cover the spread my man...
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                                        • degennn
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by thomorino
                                          The players couldn't hear the coach telling them to foul, stadium too loud.
                                          Lol what...you have to be told to foul there? Do pop tell them to wipe their ass after a hot shit?
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                                          • darrell74
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                                            • 04-16-07
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                                            #56
                                            I agree with OP
                                            I, literally got off my shift but didn't leave my restaurant with less than 3 minutes left and the spurs made it relevant.
                                            I don't know why they didn't foul 30+ seconds left

                                            Pops is a weird one to bet in my years of gambling is all I can say to that
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                                            • flyingillini
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                                              • 12-06-06
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                                              #57
                                              Pop wanted to start his vacation, he is worn out and his days of winning are over. He will never have the success he dead a few years back.
                                              המוסד‎
                                              המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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                                              • Booya711
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                                                • 12-20-11
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                                The players couldn't hear the coach telling them to foul, stadium too loud.
                                                When I think you can’t be any more retarded....you become more so.....these are fukking professionals that don’t need instruction on when to foul.....
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                                                • Booya711
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                  Its the end of a 7 game series and you're playing at altitude these players were extremely tired and they couldn't hear the coach, this isn't a normal game, when you're at the end of a tough game 7 fatigue is a much bigger deal.
                                                  You are an elite level of dumbfukk
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                                                  • seaborneq
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                                                    • 09-08-06
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                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                    These mf’ers been playing ball their whole lives and they need the coach to tell them to foul??
                                                    Agreed. Before the game starts it should be addressed during practice and preparation, as the game is played it goes to strategy. At least one player should have known to foul. They would have in a regular season game without anyone telling them. Should also have been discussed in the huddle.
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                                                    • KiDBaZkiT
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                                                      • 10-20-09
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by gopolks
                                                      Am I missing something???
                                                      Yes. Start by translating the latin on the back of the U.S. Dollar.
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                                                      • thomorino
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Booya711
                                                        When I think you can’t be any more retarded....you become more so.....these are fukking professionals that don’t need instruction on when to foul.....
                                                        Originally posted by Booya711
                                                        You are an elite level of dumbfukk
                                                        Fuk off
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                                                        • KVB
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by flyingillini
                                                          Pop wanted to start his vacation, he is worn out and his days of winning are over. He will never have the success he dead a few years back.
                                                          Tony Parker may have been the greatest basketball player on two continents, ever.

                                                          That's when he won titles in the NBA and Europe as well as Olympic medals.

                                                          Not sure any other basketball player has seen that type of success, ever.
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                                                          • Romocide
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                                                            • 09-14-11
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                            Ok, so walk me through this

                                                            Are they betting the games themselves? Are they using Vegas books or BetIslands? Are they in on it with Vegas?

                                                            There is risk with everything, especially this.

                                                            And why make it so blatantly obvious? If you’re gonna fix a game, why do it that way?

                                                            Can you answer those questions for me
                                                            This could have been something as simple as one of Aldridge’s boys told him they put their life savings down on the Spurs covering and he did him a solid by ensuring he won. It doesn’t have to be a grand conspiracy where he stood to make millions himself. There was something definitely fishy going on there. We’ll never know exactly what though.
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                                                            • thomorino
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                                                              #65
                                                              Not that I care Poppvich isn't an ordinary coach he's used to telling his team exactly what to do, that combined with fatigue at the end of the game and team couldn't hear him explains this - no fix
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                                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                                • 12-10-09
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                                                                #66
                                                                All the Spurs players on the court had a complete brain fart. NBA where amazing happens. ..
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                                                                • asiagambler
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Looking at the replay, at least Forbes was aware a foul was needed. He should have just run up to Jokic and fouled him like Kobe.

                                                                  At worst, Jokic throws to the open man but at least then everyone is aware.
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                                                                  • TheMoneyShot
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    Why didn't Houston foul yesterday? It's a mystery.
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