Do you believe that match fixing exists in American major sport?

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  • Outsider626
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 09-10-16
    • 855

    #1
    Do you believe that match fixing exists in American major sport?
    I have a bunch of friends from Europe who truly believe that match fixing exists in NHL, MLB, NFL and NBA. Every time their bet goes south they start saying this match is fixed. All the sudden they see how players start missing shots on purpose because they want the total of the game to be under. Obviously match fixing exists in poor countries where professional athletes make peanuts compared to what athletes earn here in US. It's hard for me to see how NFL or NHL game can be fixed. I want to hear different perspective, particularly from American people who bet on NHL, MLB, NFL and NBA. In your opinion does match fixing exists in major American sport?
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  • funnyb25
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    • 07-09-09
    • 39656

    #2
    Any loss is a clear fix
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    • Outsider626
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 09-10-16
      • 855

      #3
      Originally posted by funnyb25
      Any loss is a clear fix
      Yep. Professional Handicappers don't make mistakes.
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82485

        #4
        They fix the totals all the time and occasionally the spreads.
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        • newton0038
          SBR MVP
          • 03-07-07
          • 2369

          #5
          Even being on the winning side you can see some amazing" it just happens" events in games that are inexplixble without collusion
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          • Outsider626
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 09-10-16
            • 855

            #6
            Originally posted by pavyracer
            They fix the totals all the time and occasionally the spreads.
            True. In game 3 between OKC-Portland I believe the total for OKC was 114.5. In the half they had 49 points. Not sure what was the game total for Portland but at the half they had 39 points. To my surprise the teams totally stopped playing defense in the second half and game finished 120-108. Both teams covered their total.
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            • Outsider626
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 09-10-16
              • 855

              #7
              Originally posted by newton0038
              Even being on the winning side you can see some amazing" it just happens" events in games that are inexplixble without collusion
              Clippers-Warriors game 2?
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              • funnyb25
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                • 07-09-09
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                #8
                They just fixed the Hurricanes game as we speak. Clear goal they just decided not to count. Amazingly fixed.
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                • pavyracer
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                  • 04-12-07
                  • 82485

                  #9
                  Originally posted by funnyb25
                  They just fixed the Hurricanes game as we speak. Clear goal they just decided not to count. Amazingly fixed.
                  That's because commisioner wants game 7. Then Washington will blow them out of the building to fix tonight's mistake.
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                  • funnyb25
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                    • 07-09-09
                    • 39656

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pavyracer
                    That's because commisioner wants game 7. Then Washington will blow them out of the building to fix tonight's mistake.
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                    • newton0038
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-07-07
                      • 2369

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                      That's because commisioner wants game 7. Then Washington will blow them out of the building to fix tonight's mistake.

                      Bettman absoulutely pissed the Penquins and Lightning r out and in 4 games at that. Well at least the league is getting more revenue with 4 new on ice ads in the corners. Sports teams be ad whores anymore
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                      • Shute
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-20-17
                        • 11835

                        #12
                        Difficult to fix with team sports
                        I don’t believe it exists
                        However it does appear suspicious at times
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                        • goduke
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 02-17-10
                          • 11580

                          #13
                          Originally posted by pavyracer
                          That's because commisioner wants game 7. Then Washington will blow them out of the building to fix tonight's mistake.
                          Nope. Caps will lose
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                          • BeatTheJerk
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                            • 08-19-07
                            • 31794

                            #14
                            No way not professionally, they already make too much damn money no incentive in it for them.
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                            • BeatTheJerk
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                              • 08-19-07
                              • 31794

                              #15
                              It exist in college sports I believe but rare.
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                              • Booya711
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                                • 12-20-11
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                                #16
                                Of course....only an idiot wouldn’t get it
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                                • shadymcgrady
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                                  • 02-27-12
                                  • 10036

                                  #17
                                  It is impossible to avoid corruption or any man made institution as big as a pro sport. With that being said refs on the take don't always ensure the desired outcome. Sometimes the teams play flawlessly and overcome the fix

                                  Players on the take in major sports such as the NBA are nearly impossible to manufacture. They wouldn't risk their guaranteed money. Most pro athletes are unaware, it's the refs that are on the occasional take and even then it's very rare

                                  Refs have a comfortable salary in the major sports where the risk doesn't outweigh the benefits. The only fixing they do is primarily to ensure certain teams or stars advance to the playoffs or next round as per order of the commissioning body
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                                  • MinnesotaFats
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-18-10
                                    • 14758

                                    #18
                                    College for sure

                                    In pros yes but not in the gambling sense

                                    Teams tank

                                    Players sit

                                    Guys don't give 100%

                                    Boxers bow out

                                    Guys don't play D until playoffs

                                    Pitchers come out early

                                    Etc....there's countless examples of pros not going by the book regarding effort or gamesmanship.
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                                    • KiDBaZkiT
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-20-09
                                      • 14962

                                      #19
                                      Look up the history of the Chicago Bears ownership.
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                                      • Outsider626
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 09-10-16
                                        • 855

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by BeatTheJerk
                                        No way not professionally, they already make too much damn money no incentive in it for them.
                                        There is incentive called greed. When you earn a lot you also have a bigger appetite for nicer things. Than you want even more.
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                                        • Outsider626
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 09-10-16
                                          • 855

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Shute
                                          Difficult to fix with team sports
                                          I don’t believe it exists
                                          However it does appear suspicious at times
                                          Well you don't have to bribe the whole team to fix a game. Usually players who play in important positions are bribed. Let's say in soccer it is usually central defender and goalie.
                                          Last edited by Outsider626; 04-22-19, 10:53 PM.
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                                          • Outsider626
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 09-10-16
                                            • 855

                                            #22
                                            Look what the goalie does here:



                                            Own goal by defender on 87th minute in Ukrainian league:

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                                            • gauchojake
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                                              • 09-17-10
                                              • 34103

                                              #23
                                              Most of these athletes can barely write their name on the contract how are they supposed to memorize the script to a fixed match?
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                                              • Kermit
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                                                • 09-27-10
                                                • 32555

                                                #24
                                                I believe that if it was happening, when athletes went broke, they would have exposed what they did to make millions.
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                                                • eidolon
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                                                  • 01-02-08
                                                  • 9531

                                                  #25
                                                  NBA is the worst. They could call a foul on every play if they wanted. Worst of the big 3.
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                                                  • Goat Milk
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                                                    • 03-24-10
                                                    • 25850

                                                    #26
                                                    So let me get this straight.

                                                    You're saying that officials have a button on the side of their belts that determines whether 30 foot contested NBA shots go in or stay out of the basket?

                                                    I was at the Pistons Bucks game tonight. Do you know how many free throws the Bucks shot? Like 40. Do you know how many we shot? Like 12. Why? They are the better team, their players are all attacking players, especially Giannis and Bledsoe. They killed us off the dribble and basically got raped everytime they drove. Btw, everyone and their mom was on the Bucks. Vegas got cracked. And yet the refs let them shoot 30 more free throws. How does that fit in?

                                                    How do you rig an NHL game? You call a penalty or two, but then what? How can you stop a guy from scoring a goal? You can't. It's impossible.

                                                    What about baseball? You can make a couple bad calls. A bad strike call. A bad ball call here and there. But how do you stop someone from hitting a 3 run HR? What are you gonna do? Say "you have to redue it?"

                                                    The only sport I can see where shit can get rigged is the NFL, because you can call a holding or something on 3rd and 20, and that team gets an entirely fresh set of downs. But still, you can't make guys throw or catch or tackle.

                                                    Players have to do it. If they do, they have a shot to win. If they don't they have no shot to win. It's simple as that.

                                                    Rigging is so fukkin rare, people don't understand how hard it is to rig a professional sports game, especially with that many athletes involved.

                                                    Why do you think Tennis matches are one of the only things that are rigged? Because there's only 1 player. It's in his hands what he wants to do.
                                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                    • sweethook
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-21-07
                                                      • 12667

                                                      #27
                                                      NBA
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                                                      • MinnesotaFats
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-18-10
                                                        • 14758

                                                        #28
                                                        Tonite might have been an example of league "preference"

                                                        Maybe not rigging, but the lopsided fouls called early set the tone and gave Jazz a big lead

                                                        Coincidentally Wed night there are no other early NBA games if Jazz lose so.....

                                                        Here we are, perfect TV lineup featuring Harden and Durant back to back
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                                                        • bhoor
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                                                          • 12-17-12
                                                          • 2256

                                                          #29
                                                          Anyone who does not think games are fixed is naive at the very least.
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                                                          • eaglesfan371
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-08-19
                                                            • 4079

                                                            #30
                                                            Lose a bet = game is fixed !

                                                            Anyone consider the fact that analytics had jazz -2 in game 3. Nothing changed, no difference in players in or out. 40% of time Houston wins game 3 with that given line. Line should have been -2 Utah game 4 as well. If you think NBA rigged that game, highly likely you bet Houston.

                                                            Even at -2 Houston, Utah wins 40% of the time. People have this view that if a bet loses it was the wrong side or the bettor is an idiot. No one thinks big picture, if this game is replayed 100 times, what are the outcomes.

                                                            Tennis, college sports and low level soccer are only sports with fixing these days.
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                                                            • PittsburghPlayer
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 01-11-10
                                                              • 6760

                                                              #31
                                                              Writing a song about it, have this so far.

                                                              I couldn't believe it, I just had to find out for myself
                                                              And I couldn't conceive it, I never would listen to nobody else
                                                              No I couldn't believe it, I just had to find out for myself
                                                              That there's some things in this world you just can't explain.
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                                                              • Frank Mills
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-26-18
                                                                • 1244

                                                                #32
                                                                For every match that's fixed there are hopefully 10k that aren't
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                                                                • The General
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                                  • 13279

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Yes I believe games are predetermined. It has been acknowledged and proven to be fact.
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                                                                  • Grits n' Gravy
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 06-10-10
                                                                    • 13024

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Bets more likely to be fixed would be props. Stuff like 1st penalty, yardage, play yds ov/un etc... Real easy to do them if you have a few players working with you. It won’t make you a fortune but you can win a nice amount under the radar.
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                                                                    • Chi_archie
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 07-22-08
                                                                      • 63165

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy
                                                                      Bets more likely to be fixed would be props. Stuff like 1st penalty, yardage, play yds ov/un etc... Real easy to do them if you have a few players working with you. It won’t make you a fortune but you can win a nice amount under the radar.


                                                                      interesting

                                                                      so how much could a ref get down on a bet like that?

                                                                      and how does the ref "get" a few players working for him?

                                                                      should be pretty easy right? NFL is an easy gig to get as a player for a good long time right? They are secure in not actually having to perform at their job here and there to help some old white dude win a 500 dollar bet
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