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Harden got to them to the finals with that performance vs spurs
This is true.
Either way, Miami was the better team. It is what it is.
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KRIT
SBR Posting Legend
01-11-14
12884
#107
I think this goes back for game five all tied up. This has seven game series written all over it.
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Goat Milk
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
03-24-10
25850
#108
Originally posted by milwaukee mike
i think that's just selective memory, durant was awesome in those 2012 finals, shot 55% and scored 31 pts/game
after going up 1-0 in the series, okc was right there in game 2/3/4, any or all of those games were 1 or 2 shots/calls away from going in the win column for okc
14 more fouls called on okc, call 14 more fouls on miami instead and okc was the champs
no doubt durant was amazing, but Wade was a better player at that time in their careers imo. Wade took a huge sacrifice playing on that team. One year earlier his stats were amazing, even playing alongside Bron and Bosh, and before they came to the team, one year before, Wade led the league in scoring and was top 5 in assists. So I don't think Durant was at that level, especially not defensively, where Wade was a one man wrecking crew.
Also with regard to the fouls, you have 2 players in James and Wade who are two of the best in the HISTORY of the NBA at attacking the paint and scoring. Both those guys literally had no jump shot save for the occasional mid range. OKC was not that type of team at all. So the foul disrepency is pretty justified.
You don't call the same amount of fouls for both teams. That's not how it works. Superstars who attack the paint are usually gonna shoot the most free throws.
OKC melted down in the crunch scenarios while Wade James and Bosh made the clutch plays. OKC didn't deserve that series. They got handled by their big brother.
Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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shadymcgrady
SBR Posting Legend
02-27-12
10036
#109
Originally posted by Goat Milk
no doubt durant was amazing, but Wade was a better player at that time in their careers imo. Wade took a huge sacrifice playing on that team. One year earlier his stats were amazing, even playing alongside Bron and Bosh, and before they came to the team, one year before, Wade led the league in scoring and was top 5 in assists. So I don't think Durant was at that level, especially not defensively, where Wade was a one man wrecking crew.
Also with regard to the fouls, you have 2 players in James and Wade who are two of the best in the HISTORY of the NBA at attacking the paint and scoring. Both those guys literally had no jump shot save for the occasional mid range. OKC was not that type of team at all. So the foul disrepency is pretty justified.
You don't call the same amount of fouls for both teams. That's not how it works. Superstars who attack the paint are usually gonna shoot the most free throws.
OKC melted down in the crunch scenarios while Wade James and Bosh made the clutch plays. OKC didn't deserve that series. They got handled by their big brother.
Can't rly argue with that assessment
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shadymcgrady
SBR Posting Legend
02-27-12
10036
#110
Originally posted by Goat Milk
If bucks managed to get to the finals they would get slapped, cousins or no cousins. Bucks second best player is Khris Middleton bro
Seen stranger things happen
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thomorino
Restricted User
06-01-17
46052
#111
Miami was the better team in 2012, but the officiating of that series was disgusting, Miami got all the calls, OKC would have won at least 2 games if the series was officiating fairly.
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thechaoz
SBR Posting Legend
10-23-09
12154
#112
It took West and okc EVERYTHING to win that game. They are cooked
RIP CITY
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Goat Milk
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
03-24-10
25850
#113
Originally posted by thomorino
Miami was the better team in 2012, but the officiating of that series was disgusting, Miami got all the calls, OKC would have won at least 2 games if the series was officiating fairly.
I'm not sure why you always blame officiating. There's always gonna be some errors. You just gotta play ball. I remember there being one questionable call that could have been called on Lebron against Durant at the end of game 2 I believe, but then when you think about it, Miami won that game wire-to-wire I'm pretty sure. I remember them losing game 1 and then coming out game 2 and just detroying OKC from the getgo. And OKC crawled back. So Miami deserved to win that game regardless.
What I remember most about that series is that it came down to clutch plays in the final moments. Especially defensively. The 2 rings Miami won, they were holding teams in the 90s. They held a team of Durant Westbrook and Harden to like 90-some points every game... Even though they were all young, they were all still all stars and Durant was a superstar. That just speaks to what a wrecking crew Wade and Lebron were defensively. That's not always gonna show up on the stat sheet, but that's how Miami won their championships.
Wade took James Harden out of that series.
I remember Twizzle pounding Miami +220 to win that series after they lost game 1. I put some on it too. I couldn't believe those odds. Wade and James as 2 to 1 dogs in their prime? Should have literally put my house on it.
Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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thomorino
Restricted User
06-01-17
46052
#114
Originally posted by Goat Milk
I'm not sure why you always blame officiating. There's always gonna be some errors. You just gotta play ball. I remember there being one questionable call that could have been called on Lebron against Durant at the end of game 2 I believe, but then when you think about it, Miami won that game wire-to-wire I'm pretty sure. I remember them losing game 1 and then coming out game 2 and just detroying OKC from the getgo. And OKC crawled back. So Miami deserved to win that game regardless.
What I remember most about that series is that it came down to clutch plays in the final moments. Especially defensively. The 2 rings Miami won, they were holding teams in the 90s. They held a team of Durant Westbrook and Harden to like 90-some points every game... Even though they were all young, they were all still all stars and Durant was a superstar. That just speaks to what a wrecking crew Wade and Lebron were defensively. That's not always gonna show up on the stat sheet, but that's how Miami won their championships.
Wade took James Harden out of that series.
I remember Twizzle pounding Miami +220 to win that series after they lost game 1. I put some on it too. I couldn't believe those odds. Wade and James as 2 to 1 dogs in their prime? Should have literally put my house on it.
I had bets on Miami in the futures market, the officiating was very favorable towards Miami, they called ridiculous offensive fouls on Durant all series.
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shocka1212
SBR Posting Legend
10-06-12
16788
#115
Originally posted by thomorino
I had bets on Miami in the futures market, the officiating was very favorable towards Miami, they called ridiculous offensive fouls on Durant all series.
Of course you did.....
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thomorino
Restricted User
06-01-17
46052
#116
Originally posted by shocka1212
Of course you did.....
Fuk off
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milwaukee mike
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
08-22-07
27261
#117
Originally posted by thomorino
I had bets on Miami in the futures market, the officiating was very favorable towards Miami, they called ridiculous offensive fouls on Durant all series.
this is totally true
officiating was horribly biased to get lebron a title
to say that OKC was "not that kind of team" is ridiculous, they out-freethrowed their opponents all year long, at a much higher margin than miami, and then magically they forgot how to get calls in the finals
3-5 calls go the other way and okc wins the series 4-1... that's all they needed... instead they had 14 more fouls go against them
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krk1030
SBR Posting Legend
08-13-08
17607
#118
Fading OKC based on what Westbrook is wearing into the arena.
Wtf was that
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sosawestbrook
SBR MVP
12-10-16
3135
#119
Been about 50/50 this playoffs fellas but I’ve had a strong feeling OKC gets past the Blazers.
I think we’ll find ways to critique Russ game forever because he is the Stone Cold of the NBA. F you ima do me attitude.
A lot of the league feels like the uprising of the attitude era in WWF to me. Twitter & IG really giving these guys opportunities to promote themselves as characters.
Russ is stone cold. Harden the rock.
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krk1030
SBR Posting Legend
08-13-08
17607
#120
Bigger issue fot OKC is George is hurt and can't shoot.
Can still make plays and get to the line but they are on danger of more horrible three point shooting as nobody else is consistent.
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sosawestbrook
SBR MVP
12-10-16
3135
#121
Originally posted by krk1030
Bigger issue fot OKC is George is hurt and can't shoot.
Can still make plays and get to the line but they are on danger of more horrible three point shooting as nobody else is consistent.
Bro I honestly think that whole narrative was blown up by the media. He’s been playing hurt for damn near a month now. It is what it is at this point.
OKC never needed to outshoot opponents to win. Their defense & clutch buckets is what makes them a good team.
I’ll give you this though when PG was shooting 40% from 3fg this team was ELITE. That’s the only question at this point is if we can get first half of the season Paul George versus limping to the finish line Paul George.
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JIBBBY
SBR Aristocracy
12-10-09
83481
#122
Westbrook needs to work on his shot.. He's really a limited shooter, can't hit shiiit most of the time..
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BigDofBA
SBR Posting Legend
09-30-09
19313
#123
Originally posted by krk1030
Bigger issue fot OKC is George is hurt and can't shoot.
Can still make plays and get to the line but they are on danger of more horrible three point shooting as nobody else is consistent.
Yep.
The worst thing to happen to OKC is to see a few three go down. Then they start jacking them up from everywhere.
They’re getting into a shooting contest with Portland. They’re playing right into the Blazer’s hands.
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Big John Studd
SBR Wise Guy
06-13-14
543
#124
He’s a myth.
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pilebuck13
SBR Posting Legend
05-15-15
17920
#125
Lol glad Portland eating them up after the utter disrespect they showed last game... Paul George with the final second dunk yah they deserve every bit of this.
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krk1030
SBR Posting Legend
08-13-08
17607
#126
Westbrick will be home before May 1st again.
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krk1030
SBR Posting Legend
08-13-08
17607
#127
Originally posted by pilebuck13
Lol glad Portland eating them up after the utter disrespect they showed last game... Paul George with the final second dunk yah they deserve every bit of this.
Westbrick "rocking the baby" as they fight for their lives. Total clown.
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jjgold
SBR Aristocracy
07-20-05
388201
#128
I think they should move Westbrook but no team would want them
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SmokingKing
SBR MVP
02-14-19
1234
#129
when the money is on Westcrook... lightning doesnt strike "twice"
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BigDofBA
SBR Posting Legend
09-30-09
19313
#130
I keep waiting for Lilliard to Rock the baby on Westbrook.
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DOM-Ganador
SBR MVP
05-30-12
4479
#131
5-20 tonight. Seems reasonable.
Self awareness is a sign of maturity. This dude is still in diapers.
Think he takes a month off. Hits the beach. Chills.???
Then hits the gym with a shooting coach to improve himself and his team for the next season.
No chance.
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pilebuck13
SBR Posting Legend
05-15-15
17920
#132
Lol if your not pounding Portland next game something wrong w you lol okc toast
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DOM-Ganador
SBR MVP
05-30-12
4479
#133
As Al-Farouq Aminu checks in, Blazers assistant David Vanterpool tells him, "Chief, don't help on Russ. Let him shoot." Westbrook has tried to stick with the playmaking in this fourth quarter despite the deficit.
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lakerboy
SBR Aristocracy
04-02-09
94704
#134
Originally posted by pilebuck13
Lol if your not pounding Portland next game something wrong w you lol okc toast
You excited to play Denver and lose?
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bucket2233
SBR Sharp
03-25-13
367
#135
Originally posted by DOM-Ganador
5-20 tonight. Seems reasonable.
Self awareness is a sign of maturity. This dude is still in diapers.
Think he takes a month off. Hits the beach. Chills.???
Then hits the gym with a shooting coach to improve himself and his team for the next season.
No chance.
Amen. He plays hard, but he is what an old coach of mine would call a mental midget... and he has somehow gotten less self-aware as he has gotten older. His bad decisions snowball into worse decisions when the pressure turns up.
Westbrook is a stat stuffer when the games don’t matter - playing with the primary objective of achieving his precious triple-double. The triple-double thing has gotten him a pass way too many times. He’s been exposed.... again.
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shocka1212
SBR Posting Legend
10-06-12
16788
#136
Originally posted by JIBBBY
Westbrook needs to work on his shot.. He's really a limited shooter, can't hit shiiit most of the time..
he'll be washed very soon. the second that athleticism regresses, he'll have nothing to work with.
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Goat Milk
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
03-24-10
25850
#137
Originally posted by shocka1212
he'll be washed very soon. the second that athleticism regresses, he'll have nothing to work with.
Can see Westbrook being that athletic till he's 34. Still a long ways imo. But he's not gonna win a ring unless he sacrfices stats. He needs to be averaging 20, 5 and 6. Running without the ball more.
People say improve a jump shot, but no. Hit shot is what it is by now. He needs to take a page out of Clyde Drexler and Kobe and Wade's book and learn how to cut without the ball.
This will increase his fg%.
Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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kingdom
SBR Posting Legend
07-25-10
10099
#138
Originally posted by Goat Milk
Can see Westbrook being that athletic till he's 34. Still a long ways imo. But he's not gonna win a ring unless he sacrfices stats. He needs to be averaging 20, 5 and 6. Running without the ball more.
People say improve a jump shot, but no. Hit shot is what it is by now. He needs to take a page out of Clyde Drexler and Kobe and Wade's book and learn how to cut without the ball.
This will increase his fg%.
actually he needs to get to the line more like harden and lebron. in his fascination with assists he doesn't penetrate the lane at the rate he used to. russ can freight train into the lane like a mini lebron. he needs to use more picks as well and be more agressive in a scoring sense. he has everything d rose had when he won the mvp.
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IBetYou
SBR Hall of Famer
07-03-15
8158
#139
Thunder seem to have so many advantages in this series. Adams is better than Kanter. George is much better than McCollum. Their 6th man Schroder makes a much better 3rd wheel than any of the Blazers subs. Ferguson/ Grant vs Harkless/ Aminu is basically a wash.
Also, I don't buy the talk that George is hurt. He played superb in the home finale vs the Rockets before sitting out the Milwaukee game as a precaution. Now everyone believes he's hurt because he's been struggling with his shot... but he played poorly in last year's playoffs also. I think it's more that he's having to do all the defensive work while playing 2nd fiddle on offense. It's clear that this team revolves around the wrong guy.
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spippen
SBR MVP
03-17-09
3874
#140
5 for 21 is pathetic. He was running his big mouth in game 3 he was destined to fail in this game. Portland for the win in blowout fashion coming in game 5.