Insane poker thinking - what the heck

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  • eaglesfan371
    SBR MVP
    • 01-08-19
    • 4079

    #1
    Insane poker thinking - what the heck
    Guy makes a youtube channel and posts poker videos. I watched a couple and enjoyed his analysis until this one...

    Heads up play in a tournament. Hero looks down at A9 off, 15 blind stack, button opens for 2.5x blind, he calls. Villian is recreational player. Villian has 20 blind stack.

    Flop comes x x x, whiffs flop, checks, button C-bets, he folds.



    I tell him 3 bet all-in here preflop would be the better play instead of calling out of position, likely all in to pick up the chips pre. You don't want to risk 1/6 your stack out of position with a semi marginal hand like A9 off but you definitely can shove profitably against his possible range which includes hands like J10ss, QJ, KJ, KQ, Ax ss, etc or worse.

    He then tells me that he disagrees with 3 betting here, agrees he should not have called, but instead tells me he should have FOLDED. He argues his post flop play in position will allow him to win this match and not flip here.

    I don't know why this one got me ranting a bit but wow how exploitable are you going to be if you're folding an Ace pre short stack Heads up play.

    Thoughts?
  • ThaWoj
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 03-09-10
    • 6761

    #2
    If this is heads up it's an auto shove. Heads up meaning no one else at the table...Otherwise what position is hero? How many left at table? I'm folding A9 Everytime unless it folds to me in the BB and have a solid read on my opponent.
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    • cincinnatikid513
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 11-23-17
      • 45360

      #3
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      • RudyRuetigger
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 08-24-10
        • 65084

        #4
        this is a fukkin rookie thread
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        • eaglesfan371
          SBR MVP
          • 01-08-19
          • 4079

          #5
          It is heads up play

          Sorry if I did not make that clear. Thats what I'm saying, you NEVER fold here with stacks being so short and heads up. Shove to realize fold equity rather than call out of position.
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          • daneblazer
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 09-14-08
            • 27861

            #6
            Most poker pros are eating BOGO rotini noodles with Great Value pasta sauce
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            • eaglesfan371
              SBR MVP
              • 01-08-19
              • 4079

              #7
              Originally posted by daneblazer
              Most poker pros are eating BOGO rotini noodles with Great Value pasta sauce
              I argue 99% of "professional gamblers" are living degenerate, depressed, single, isolated lives. Gamble for a hobby, not a living.

              Do not want to argue that one though, not trying to go down that rabbit hole.
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              • Cuse0323
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 12-09-09
                • 30169

                #8
                Heads up, that’s a shove yeah. Think that’s pretty standard. Not sure why you call there just to fold if you miss the flop.
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                • dsgator55
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 03-21-18
                  • 271

                  #9
                  Eaglesfan I’m getting into poker pretty big. I’m a NLHE player I usually play $2 $5 or $5 $10. I love the game and picking my spots.
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