California man has to forfeit $90k for playing online with a NJ site.

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  • Bluehorseshoe
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    • 07-13-06
    • 14990

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    California man has to forfeit $90k for playing online with a NJ site.
    California man’s luck runs out as he must fork over $90K for gambling online using N.J. betting sites



    By The Associated Press

    New Jersey gambling regulators have ordered a California man to hand over more than $90,000 from online accounts he had funded and gambled with from outside the state in what appears to be the largest such case in the more than five years internet betting has been legal in New Jersey.

    The state Division of Gaming Enforcement said this week that Vinh Dao, whose hometown was not made public, violated New Jersey law requiring that internet betting be done only by those physically within the state's borders.

    Due to his cooperation and to negotiate an end to the case, which began more than five years ago, the state agreed to let Dao keep $2,500 of the nearly $93,000 that was in his online accounts with sites affiliated with the Borgata and Caesars Interactive-NJ.

    The case dates to February 2014, just three months after internet gambling began in New Jersey, a time when geolocation technology was still developing and being adjusted in the state.

    New Jersey has long touted the strict geolocation technology it uses to make sure internet gambling is only happening within its borders, and considers itself a national role model in the field. It has said most of the many attempts each day to gamble from outside the state are detected and turned away.

    A message seeking comment was left Wednesday with Dao's attorney. It was not immediately clear how Dao was able to get around geolocation technology designed to ensure a person is within New Jersey's borders.

    The technology erects a sort of digital fencing around New Jersey. A key component — but only one of several used to verify physical locations — is data from wireless carriers. They rely on connections that phones make to the nearest cell tower. While people can easily download applications to their phone that will let it mask its GPS coordinates, users cannot thwart or trick cellphone tower data, tech execs say.

    Multiple layers of high technology should also work to ensure that minors or people on casino exclusion lists don't get online to gamble. Companies will cross-check the information provided by a customer at sign-up against several public and private databases and other sources. That could lead to software asking a personal identifying question that only a legitimate user would be able to answer.

    The casino companies that allowed Dao to gamble online from outside New Jersey could be subject to fines. The Borgata declined comment; Caesars Interactive said it would look into the details of the case, but did not address potential penalties, and regulators did not respond to questions about the case Wednesday.

    The forfeited money will be split between a fund for senior citizens and the disabled, and programs to prevent or treat compulsive gambling.

    The Dao case was the largest of six forfeiture cases made public this week involving casino companies accepting bets from people ineligible to gamble, because the patrons were under 21 years of age, had placed themselves on a self-exclusion list, or in Dao's case, were acting from outside the state's borders.

    In addition to the Borgata and Caesars Interactive, smaller forfeitures were ordered in cases involving Bally’s and the Golden Nugget.
  • pinnacle420
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    • 10-01-12
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    #2
    Such bullshit
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    • jjgold
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      • 07-20-05
      • 388185

      #3
      Wow

      Don’t fuk around legal sites
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      • gauchojake
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        • 09-17-10
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        #4
        Dac how could you????
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        • jjgold
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          • 07-20-05
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          #5
          Lucky he is not going to jail
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          • Brock Landers
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            • 06-30-08
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            #6
            Wasn't sports
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            • DrunkHorseplayer
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              • 05-15-10
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              #7
              He should tell them to fukk themselves.
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              • MinnesotaFats
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                • 12-18-10
                • 14758

                #8
                Exactly....

                NJ law has no authority in CA plus he could have put it into business assets.

                What an idiot
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                • BigJay
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                  • 01-14-12
                  • 3485

                  #9
                  I’m sure they would have refunded his losses if he were in the negative.
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                  • ridgeway
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                    • 11-10-17
                    • 708

                    #10
                    Terrible ruling!
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                    • Inkwell77
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                      • 02-03-11
                      • 3227

                      #11
                      So he was remote logging in to a computer that was in New Jersey, but he was using his cell phone to verify which was in California?
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                      • Inkwell77
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-03-11
                        • 3227

                        #12
                        Remote logging in is easy enough, but it looks like you still need some type of human presence to verify on a phone.
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                        • JIBBBY
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                          • 12-10-09
                          • 83693

                          #13
                          WTF? Better not come after me....

                          I don't do my gambling business in Jersey.. Strictly off shore..
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                          • BigOrange
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                            • 08-13-09
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                            #14
                            Wonder what his sbr handle is?
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                            • JIBBBY
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                              • 12-10-09
                              • 83693

                              #15
                              California doesn't mess around with illegal gambling operations.. This was all over the local news just the other day.. So stupid.. If people wanna gamble let em gamble I say..

                              Home gambling ring raids a big no no!!..https://patch.com/california/orange-...c-homes-report
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                              • LT Profits
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                                • 10-27-06
                                • 90963

                                #16
                                Originally posted by pinnacle420
                                Such bullshit
                                Originally posted by ridgeway
                                Terrible ruling!
                                Why? Law is you must physically be in New Jersey to bet online in New Jersey, just like you must be physically in Nevada to place an online bet at Vegas book. There is no gray area here and the ruling is correct.

                                I am more curious how he got around the verification.
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                                • LT Profits
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                                  • 10-27-06
                                  • 90963

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                  WTF? Better not come after me....

                                  I don't do my gambling business in Jersey.. Strictly off shore..
                                  So why would they come after you?

                                  This has to do with someone betting online at legal Jersey casinos while not being in Jersey.
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                                  • JIBBBY
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                                    • 12-10-09
                                    • 83693

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by LT Profits
                                    So why would they come after you?

                                    This has to do with someone betting online at legal Jersey casinos while not being in Jersey.
                                    Just been hearing about gambling busts in Southern California lately. Seems like they are cracking down.. Maybe I'm part of an organized gambling ring..
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                                    • GunShard
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                                      • 03-05-10
                                      • 10030

                                      #19
                                      I can tell by his name that he's Vietnamese.
                                      Here's a list of NJ sports betting sites. I had no idea that Fan Duel and Draft Kings were in NJ.
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                                      • thechaoz
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                                        • 10-23-09
                                        • 12154

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by LT Profits
                                        Why? Law is you must physically be in New Jersey to bet online in New Jersey, just like you must be physically in Nevada to place an online bet at Vegas book. There is no gray area here and the ruling is correct.

                                        I am more curious how he got around the verification.
                                        I'm guessing he logged into a remote server he paid for in New Jersey and played through that.

                                        I doubt he did any activities through his phone
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                                        • SharpAngles
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                                          • 04-15-14
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                                          The state Division of Gaming Enforcement said this week that Vinh Dao, whose hometown was not made public,
                                          Westminster -1000

                                          Garden Grove -600

                                          Bell Gardens -400

                                          Any other CA city +1200
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                                          • gauchojake
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                                            • 09-17-10
                                            • 34101

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by SharpAngles
                                            Westminster -1000

                                            Garden Grove -600

                                            Bell Gardens -400

                                            Any other CA city +1200


                                            RACIST!!!
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                                            • JIBBBY
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                                              • 12-10-09
                                              • 83693

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by SharpAngles
                                              Westminster -1000

                                              Garden Grove -600

                                              Bell Gardens -400

                                              Any other CA city +1200
                                              Mid Wilshire district Los Angeles area you forgot. -250
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                                              • gauchojake
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                                                • 09-17-10
                                                • 34101

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                Mid Wilshire district Los Angeles area you forgot. -250
                                                Bro this is about the Viet Cong not the Koreans you got your chinamen mixed up
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                                                • Booya711
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                                                  • 12-20-11
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by SharpAngles

                                                  Westminster -1000

                                                  Garden Grove -600

                                                  Bell Gardens -400

                                                  Any other CA city +1200
                                                  Originally posted by gauchojake



                                                  RACIST!!!
                                                  Fountain Valley -1800
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                                                  • dlowilly
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                                                    • 11-09-16
                                                    • 13862

                                                    #26
                                                    Pay him and then ban him

                                                    You freerolling fuks
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                                                    • Booya711
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                                                      • 12-20-11
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                                                      #27
                                                      I had an MGM account and would VPN to a tablet locally to place wagers. They canceled my account because I was looking at the lines on my phone remotely, not even placing bets.
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                                                      • JIBBBY
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                                                        • 12-10-09
                                                        • 83693

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by gauchojake
                                                        Bro this is about the Viet Cong not the Koreans you got your chinamen mixed up
                                                        True that, my bad..

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                                                        • jjgold
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                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388185

                                                          #29
                                                          He can easily go to jail for violating the federal wire act

                                                          You can be prosecuted for putting bets in from another state very easily

                                                          His deal is give the money back or jail
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                                                          • acquavallo
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                                                            • 03-16-18
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                                                            #30
                                                            This is one case that will get fixed IF it ever makes it to Supreme Court. Precedent was interstate online wine sales- unfair restraint of interstate commerce. You can't be prohibited(or taxed extra) from purchasing a legally-allowed product of another state just because you reside in a different state.
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                                                            • eaglesfan371
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                                                              • 01-08-19
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                                                              #31
                                                              This is one case where I’m on the book’s side. If you’re not allowed to bet outside of the state, by law, and you take proactive measures to break the law, you should not be entitled to any winnings.

                                                              That’s like if I came on here after being banned by Heritage, said I created a new fake account, won $2k and they refused to pay when they discovered my identity. All of you would laugh at me and tell me to take a hike, which you should.
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                                                              • Brock Landers
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                                                                • 06-30-08
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                He can easily go to jail for violating the federal wire act

                                                                You can be prosecuted for putting bets in from another state very easily

                                                                His deal is give the money back or jail
                                                                again, it wasn't sports, so putting what bets in? he was gambling, games of chance
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                                                                • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                                  • 01-04-09
                                                                  • 48366

                                                                  #33
                                                                  The Dao case was the largest of six forfeiture cases made public this week involving casino companies accepting bets from people ineligible to gamble, because the patrons were under 21 years of age, had placed themselves on a self-exclusion list, or in Dao's case, were acting from outside the state's borders.

                                                                  Wow, someone has a serious gambling problem to place themselves on an exclusion list then bet enough money to catch a case.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388185

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Rules are rules


                                                                    Originally posted by eaglesfan371
                                                                    This is one case where I’m on the book’s side. If you’re not allowed to bet outside of the state, by law, and you take proactive measures to break the law, you should not be entitled to any winnings.

                                                                    That’s like if I came on here after being banned by Heritage, said I created a new fake account, won $2k and they refused to pay when they discovered my identity. All of you would laugh at me and tell me to take a hike, which you should.
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                                                                    • LT Profits
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                                                                      • 10-27-06
                                                                      • 90963

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                                      again, it wasn't sports, so putting what bets in? he was gambling, games of chance
                                                                      That doesn't change anything though. You can't bet online casino games from out of state either.
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